5770 or 5850? upgrade for my rig

[MrK6]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
here's a peek of what's to come for 5750 and 5770....

http://i443.photobucket.com/al.../netxzero/5770-pic.jpg

http://i443.photobucket.com/al.../netxzero/5750-pic.jpg

Wow, they pretty much took a 4890, cut the power consumption in almost half, and came out with a slick mid-range gaming card; it's very impressive what (I'm guessing) 40nm does for this architecture. If those numbers hold true to launch, this will be another bang-for-your-buck hit from AMD.

 

[netxzero64]

well i just want to reiterate my question, does the 5 series have issues running on XP? does the 5 series run well on a windows XP?

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
well i just want to reiterate my question, does the 5 series have issues running on XP? does the 5 series run well on a windows XP?

do yourself a favor if you still want to stick with your 19inch monitor. instead of spending $259 for a 5850 at that low 1440x900 res just buy a 5770 for $159 and Windows 7 64bit oem for $100. then in about a year get yourself a bigger 1920x1080/1200 monitor, sale your 5770 and buy whatever is out then that can handle 1920x1080/1200 the same way your 5770 handles 1440x900.

 

[netxzero64]

yah i know... that's why i'm goin for 5770... because after this upgrade the next thing i'll buy is a new rig...

 

[yh125d]

If 5xxx had problems on XP, we would have heard about it by now, and I haven't heard a blip. However since it is a brand new part and only on the first set of release drivers still (I think?) there might be some small quirks or bugs. Nothing major should be expected though

 

[nicnas]

Originally posted by: MrK6

Originally posted by: netxzero64
here's a peek of what's to come for 5750 and 5770....

http://i443.photobucket.com/al.../netxzero/5770-pic.jpg

http://i443.photobucket.com/al.../netxzero/5750-pic.jpg

Wow, they pretty much took a 4890, cut the power consumption in almost half, and came out with a slick mid-range gaming card; it's very impressive what (I'm guessing) 40nm does for this architecture. If those numbers hold true to launch, this will be another bang-for-your-buck hit from AMD.

No way 5770 being faster than the 4890 with the same number of shaders/TUs/ROPs and only HALF the memory bandwidth!!!
But it will be definitely the next "bang-for-your-buck hit from AMD" IMO. That's why I plan to buy one myself when they are available

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: toyota
I didnt say he would hit a brick wall because he wont. I am saying that yes at that res he will most certainly not get close to most of the benefit that a 5850 will have over a 5770. a 5770 will still be very fast for such a low res and even it would perform better with a faster cpu at just 1440x900. you can see those other benchmarks that clearly show that even at 1680x1050 with highest settings and usually AA that an i7 if faster than his cpu. and those are with slower gpus than a 5850. so use common sense to realize that just 1440x900 a 5770 is fast and makes more sense. thats about the same gpu power you would have running games at 640x480 with your 3850. if you had a cpu like his do you think that you really couldnt max games at 640x480 on your 3850 either?

Your analogies are completely horrible.

I don't think I ever stated the 5770 would not be fast at his resolution. I'm simply stating, that even with his particular hardware, the 5850 will be faster, and noticeably so in the more demanding games on the market. For most games, there probably wouldn't be a big difference. But since he has not given any indication as to which particular games he would be playing (he only said he wants to completely max out all of his games), I went with the worst case scenario, which would mean getting the best card. From the looks of things, a 5770 is not going to max out Crysis-like games even at 1440x900.

And when I say "max out", I'm including at the very least 4xAA. 8xAA would be even better. At 1440x900, more AA will make an extremely noticeable difference, and it's best to have as much GPU power as possible to apply AA.

Originally posted by: netxzero64
well that's the sad thing... i don't have an i7 rig hehehe.... but i think my rig is decent to rip any games out there with a powerful GPU...

@cusidea

i agree with you to have too much power than not enough... because future games will put more toll to the GPU as well as CPU so i think i would go for the 5850 for this... but am still more than a hundred bucks to go to have that.. =(

If the $100 is that big of an issue for you, then the HD5770 should be an acceptable card. Honestly I wasn't expecting the 5770 to be $160. I expected it to be around $200, in which case I would say just pony up for the 5850.

 

[netxzero64]

5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

if you are not going to change your monitor a 5770 will be enough for 1440x900. do you really not get how low that res is and much more of a role your cpu plays at it? it will not be worth $100 more to buy a card that you wont come close to fully pushing at that res. you have onboard video at the moment so you have absolutely no realistic perspective on things whatsoever. instead of listening to those that proclaim a game must be 60fps for an average to be playable you could put a card much weaker than a 5770 in there and and nver know the difference. you will see on Tuesday just how good the 5770 is even at resolutions much higher than yours. if you have to lower AA or knock down 1 or 2 settings from the maximum in only a couple of games then so what. you are already playing at such a low res that if absolute maximum eye candy is your goal then you arent going to have it at 1440x900 anyway.

 

[netxzero64]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

if you are not going to change your monitor a 5770 will be enough for 1440x900. do you really not get how low that res is and much more of a role your cpu plays at it? it will not be worth $100 more to buy a card that you wont come close to fully pushing at that res. you have onboard video at the moment so you have absolutely no realistic perspective on things whatsoever. instead of listening to those that proclaim a game must be 60fps for an average to be playable you could put a card much weaker than a 5770 in there and and nver know the difference. you will see on Tuesday just how good the 5770 is even at resolutions much higher than yours. if you have to lower AA or knock down 1 or 2 settings from the maximum in only a couple of games then so what. you are already playing at such a low res that if absolute maximum eye candy is your goal then you arent going to have it at 1440x900 anyway.

the only problem is... the benchmarks here at anandtech use an i7 rig... so i don't know how its going to perform under my system so that's what i'm thinking... but you have a point... =)

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: netxzero64

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

if you are not going to change your monitor a 5770 will be enough for 1440x900. do you really not get how low that res is and much more of a role your cpu plays at it? it will not be worth $100 more to buy a card that you wont come close to fully pushing at that res. you have onboard video at the moment so you have absolutely no realistic perspective on things whatsoever. instead of listening to those that proclaim a game must be 60fps for an average to be playable you could put a card much weaker than a 5770 in there and and nver know the difference. you will see on Tuesday just how good the 5770 is even at resolutions much higher than yours. if you have to lower AA or knock down 1 or 2 settings from the maximum in only a couple of games then so what. you are already playing at such a low res that if absolute maximum eye candy is your goal then you arent going to have it at 1440x900 anyway.

the only problem is... the benchmarks here at anandtech use an i7 rig... so i don't know how its going to perform under my system so that's what i'm thinking... but you have a point... =)

I am also saying that if you just bought a 5770 and never looked in this thread you would be very happy with its performance even at higher res than your 1440x900. cusideabelincoln is right by saying you will benefit more with a 5850 over the 5770. the problem is you are not going to come close to what the 5850 can do over the 5770 at your low res and with your cpu. you certainly would not get enough benefit to justify the $100 difference.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

Well it's always about the price you pay. Both cards (5770 and 5850) look like they are killer at their price points, but obviously the 5850 is more expensive for a reason.

And you still haven't told us what games you are currently playing and what you want to play. Unless I missed that post.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

By the time more demanding games come out there will be a new $125 28nm budget card next year.....that should at least perform as well as the current 40nm HD5850.

 

[netxzero64]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

Well it's always about the price you pay. Both cards (5770 and 5850) look like they are killer at their price points, but obviously the 5850 is more expensive for a reason.

And you still haven't told us what games you are currently playing and what you want to play. Unless I missed that post.

oh sorry I didn't told you what games I play because I play every game that comes out... and even older ones... FPS, strategy, RPG etc... almost all games that's why I wanted a card that could rip through those...

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: netxzero64

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

Well it's always about the price you pay. Both cards (5770 and 5850) look like they are killer at their price points, but obviously the 5850 is more expensive for a reason.

And you still haven't told us what games you are currently playing and what you want to play. Unless I missed that post.

oh sorry I didn't told you what games I play because I play every game that comes out... and even older ones... FPS, strategy, RPG etc... almost all games that's why I wanted a card that could rip through those...

what do you play games on now since you certainly dont game on that gpu?

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: netxzero64

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

Well it's always about the price you pay. Both cards (5770 and 5850) look like they are killer at their price points, but obviously the 5850 is more expensive for a reason.

And you still haven't told us what games you are currently playing and what you want to play. Unless I missed that post.

oh sorry I didn't told you what games I play because I play every game that comes out... and even older ones... FPS, strategy, RPG etc... almost all games that's why I wanted a card that could rip through those...

In the Eyefinity thread we were discussing how one HD5870 was playing a multitude of games at......get this....7680x1600 resolution (with 4x AA on nonetheless).

Now we are worried that a mainstream performance card (with 800 stream processors) wont be able to handle a single 1440x900 without "outdating" itself fairly quickly.

Seriously I think you might be suprised at the performance $125-$159 can buy you these days. In fact, consider the $109 HD5750 512 MB too.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Just learning

Originally posted by: netxzero64

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

Well it's always about the price you pay. Both cards (5770 and 5850) look like they are killer at their price points, but obviously the 5850 is more expensive for a reason.

And you still haven't told us what games you are currently playing and what you want to play. Unless I missed that post.

oh sorry I didn't told you what games I play because I play every game that comes out... and even older ones... FPS, strategy, RPG etc... almost all games that's why I wanted a card that could rip through those...

In the Eyefinity thread we were discussing how one HD5870 was playing a multitude of games at......get this....7680x1600 resolution (with 4x AA on nonetheless).

Now we are worried that a modern performance mainstream card (with 800 stream processors) wont be able to handle a single 1440x900 without "outdating" itself fairly quickly.

Seriously I think you might be suprised at the performance $125-$159 can buy you these days.

well its the 1 or 2 people in this thread that think every game should be on max settings with 8x AA and averaging 60fps that are keeping him from using common sense.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: Just learning

Originally posted by: netxzero64

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

Well it's always about the price you pay. Both cards (5770 and 5850) look like they are killer at their price points, but obviously the 5850 is more expensive for a reason.

And you still haven't told us what games you are currently playing and what you want to play. Unless I missed that post.

oh sorry I didn't told you what games I play because I play every game that comes out... and even older ones... FPS, strategy, RPG etc... almost all games that's why I wanted a card that could rip through those...

In the Eyefinity thread we were discussing how one HD5870 was playing a multitude of games at......get this....7680x1600 resolution (with 4x AA on nonetheless).

Now we are worried that a modern performance mainstream card (with 800 stream processors) wont be able to handle a single 1440x900 without "outdating" itself fairly quickly.

Seriously I think you might be suprised at the performance $125-$159 can buy you these days.

well its the 1 or 2 people in this thread that think every game should be on max settings with 8x AA and averaging 60fps that are keeping him from using common sense.

Some people probably want the 120 Hz monitor too. But then the CPU usually becomes the bottleneck to really high frame rates in some games.

 

[MagickMan]

Originally posted by: Just learning

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

http://www.techpowerup.com/rev...Radeon_HD_5870/10.html

It just amazes me how hard Crysis is on Graphics cards.

Seriously I even wonder if there is something wrong with the efficiency of that Graphics engine? To my novice eye other games look "almost as good" but seem far less demanding on Video cards. Correct me if I am wrong.

P.S. 1680x1050 has almost 33% more pixels than 1440x900. So this lower than mainstream resolution really shouldn't strain video cards that much.

Crysis is pretty, but it's engine is shit. In terms of optimization, it's worse than WoW, and that's saying something.

 

[MagickMan]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

The CPU is irrelevant for games like Crysis, which are GPU-bound even at 1440x900 on max settings. Again you fail to see the point.

I don't think he does fail to see the point, Crysis is a turd. It's nothing more than a poorly optimized technology demo. Who in the hell actually plays it? Most people I know simply use it for benchmarking, then they close it to go play something fun.

 

[netxzero64]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: netxzero64

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5850 is the way i guess =)... i just realize that if i'd go for the 5770 now and tomorrow more demanding games would come out then my 5770 would come out short...

Well it's always about the price you pay. Both cards (5770 and 5850) look like they are killer at their price points, but obviously the 5850 is more expensive for a reason.

And you still haven't told us what games you are currently playing and what you want to play. Unless I missed that post.

oh sorry I didn't told you what games I play because I play every game that comes out... and even older ones... FPS, strategy, RPG etc... almost all games that's why I wanted a card that could rip through those...

what do you play games on now since you certainly dont game on that gpu?

I just play DOTA or just go surfing because my onboard GPU can't run games that I used to play on my GTX 260 sonic before...

 

[edplayer]

Originally posted by: T2k
If you have read any review you should know that 5850 is far from being "more than enough", even for 1440x900.

This post shows how large the disconnection is between "hardware enthusiasts" and average gamers. If ATI's 2nd from the top videocard, from a brand new line-up, is far from being more than enough, what videocard would be enough?


I'm sure he could reason his statement by saying that more than enough means better than 60fps in every game out with maxed settings and maxed AA/AF.


If the 5850 is really close to the 5870 in performance, what would that make it (the 5870)? Closer to enough? Almost enough?

And this is at 1440x900!

I'm guessing that two 5870s in crossfire should be enough for that res? Am I right or am I not a true gamer that needs to go buy an X-Box and take remedial graphics theory for dummies?

So what kind of setup should one get if they use a 1680x1050 monitor or 1920x1080?


sometimes people come on here for suggestions and you get these over the top answers that make you think that some people care more about having the best card or getting a better card versus just enjoying playing games. I know the OP asked which is a better card and obviously the 5850 is the better card (considering only performance).

 

[netxzero64]

5770 is just not enough... sigh... I'll go for the 5850...

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5770 is just not enough... sigh... I'll go for the 5850...

you are at 1440x900 and the 5770 is about like a 4870 at that res. thats plenty I think. go ahead a spend 100 bucks more for the 5850 but when you look at reviews for the 5850 go ahead and knock off several fps for the numbers you see at your res with your cpu. too bad they dont have a 5830 out right now because that would be best for you.

 

[netxzero64]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: netxzero64
5770 is just not enough... sigh... I'll go for the 5850...

you are at 1440x900 and the 5770 is about like a 4870 at that res. thats plenty I think. go ahead a spend 100 bucks more for the 5850 but when you look at reviews for the 5850 go ahead and knock off several fps for the numbers you see at your res with your cpu. too bad they dont have a 5830 out right now because that would be best for you.

exactly.. because the situation is too much (5850) or not enough (5770)