5770 or 5850? upgrade for my rig

[eggrolls]

IMO, 40 fps is not acceptable in shooters. If the fps drops from 60 to 40, I can see stuttering without a fps meter. (Surely anyone can?) For other genres, it probably doesn't matter that much.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

netxzero64 posted:
as my specs are listed below on my signature, which one of these cards would better perform?

The 5850 will undoubtedly perform better, but right now we have no official idea how the 5770 will perform. I would guess it will perform in between the HD4890 and the HD5850. But we also don't know how much it would cost. Again, my guess would be around or under the $200 mark. It should be a decent value, but the 5850 will perform better even at your resolution.

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: happy medium
Max for a game for me is all settings on high and running without stuttering. As in smooth gameplay. Min 30fps for most games.
I can't tell the difference between 40 and 60fps.

exactly. every game is different too and some dont feel smooth no matter how high the framerate is while others are just fine at 30-40fps. same thing with AA. some games need a lot to look good while others can get by with none so I just take it on a game by game basis.

There's a huge difference between 40 and 60 fps, and I can spot it easily in any type of game - not just shooters.

Crysis may not need 60 fps to be smooth, but a lot of other FPSs (and other genres) do. Oh and even at 1440x900, Crysis cannot be maxed out and always have a 30+ framerate. Note there is a difference between smooth and playable. Ideally all of our games should be smooth, which to me means keeping the framerate above 50 (sometimes 45) at all times. Playable is when the game runs just fine, usually in that 30-50 range, but it's not going to be the best experience it possibly could.

It's always a good idea to get the best card a person can reasonably afford, and most especially when this person wants to "completely max out" all of their games. A faster card will give better (smoother) performance and be more well prepared for future games to come out. And in this case, if he were to upgrade his monitor the faster card would be more advantageous as well.

 

[toyota]

most of the people that claim they need 60fps would never even know what the framerate was in most games if they didnt check it. I have played games that felt sluggish while getting 60-70fps and then I have played Crysis at 30fps and been completely satisfied. you live in a fantasyland if you think you are always going to be above 60fps in many games. there is more to a system than just a gpu you know so running a gpu that is overkill for a res and/or cpu wont always help anyway especially with minimum framerates. also every game engine is different and some feel crappy and slow at times no matter what the actual framerate is. I guarantee you that I can take a game that you were getting 60fps in but you had no framerate counter and then told you game was capped at 30fps you would say yeah it felt sluggish. lol. 90% of this 60fps stuff is just in your head. now competitive multiplayer I can understand but the average single player game is not a big deal.

 

[netxzero64]

hey hey guys just cool down... hehehe...

well i just need a very good advise, from what i've read it would be a good choice to have the 5850 because if I were to plan for a 22" LCD then the games I want to play will still be playable given that I could max out the settings...

and also because I consider my budget (still saving) for a good bang for the buck video card...

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
hey hey guys just cool down... hehehe...

well i just need a very good advise, from what i've read it would be a good choice to have the 5850 because if I were to plan for a 22" LCD then the games I want to play will still be playable given that I could max out the settings...

and also because I consider my budget (still saving) for a good bang for the buck video card...

yeah if you seriously plan on getting a 1920x1080 monitor within a few months then go with the 5850. even if you were already at 1920x1080 then a 5850 is the better bang for buck card over the way more expensive 5870. if you want to stick to 1440x900 monitor for almost the next year then a 5770 will be PLENTY for such a low res. just wait for reviews of the 5770 and I am sure you will see that it will tear through games at just 1440x900 if anyone even reviews it such a low res. remember too that your framerates will be a tad lower especially at lower res because reviewers will be using overclocked i7 cpus.

 

[Ben90]

I agree with rocksteadydotnet but not his attitude,
No video card today can come close to delivering to me what i believe is a smooth experience maxed out; i come off a crt though and 60 fps looks like complete crap to me

I think this:recommend me a video card stuff is complete nonsense because everyone has different expectations, and i especially hate the if you have such and such res, you should have such and such a card. Anyone remember the 8800 gts vs gt thing? Everyone was saying that the gts 320 was good enough for such and such a resolution and the gt was just overkill, well all the gts's i know have long since been upgraded, while the gt's are happily chugging away

You need to look at price/performance not specific performance in todays games at a specific resolution. Tomorrows games will be ever more taxing and trust me, you will be wishing u get that extra ~10% performance that in 2009 was completely unnecessary, it may even let you skip another generation of vcards

 

[cbn]

HD5850 has a lot of OCing headroom since the shader clock is only 725Mhz stock.

If HD5770 comes with a lot less shaders but higher stock clock (say 900+ Mhz) I don't think we will be seeing the same dollar/performance relationship after OCing is figured in.

For $260 this HD5850 seems like a steal considering ASUS Voltage tweak HD5850 is supposed to gp as high as 1050 Mhz on the core.

Main question is do you have two 6 pin power connectors and can your power supply handle HD5850?

 

[cbn]

With regard to my above post....

Could it be the HD5770 is a "doubled up" version of HD4770 in the same way HD5870 is a "doubled up" version of HD4890?

If so then it would have 1280 stream processors. (2xHD4770= 2x640sp= 1280 sp)

If that is the case what size memory bus (assuming DDR5) would it need assuming 850 Mhz clock speed?

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: toyota
most of the people that claim they need 60fps would never even know what the framerate was in most games if they didnt check it. I have played games that felt sluggish while getting 60-70fps and then I have played Crysis at 30fps and been completely satisfied. you live in a fantasyland if you think you are always going to be above 60fps in many games. there is more to a system than just a gpu you know so running a gpu that is overkill for a res and/or cpu wont always help anyway especially with minimum framerates. also every game engine is different and some feel crappy and slow at times no matter what the actual framerate is. I guarantee you that I can take a game that you were getting 60fps in but you had no framerate counter and then told you game was capped at 30fps you would say yeah it felt sluggish. lol. 90% of this 60fps stuff is just in your head. now competitive multiplayer I can understand but the average single player game is not a big deal.

The OP is running a Phenom II X4 @ 3.2 GHz... he's not going to constrain a 5850 and his minimum framerates should be determined by the GPU and not his particular CPU.

Of course everything is just a general statement, and everything I said applies to most of the games on the market. You might be able to find some outliers, but that doesn't make you right or prove your point. The dude likes to max out all of his games. This statement is pretty important. In fact I'd say it's the most important statement he made.

In every game I've played, I can easily spot the difference between 40 and 60 FPS. Now I'm not going to be able to tell you the exact framerate at the exact moment in a game, but I can tell when a game becomes choppy at lower framerates and when it becomes extremely smooth at 60 (or above) framerates. If you have games which are choppy at 60 FPS, then you best better provide some data for us to analyze. This meaning tell us what game it was and what hardware you were using, because what you're saying goes severely against the grain.

If you're going to say 90% of the 60fps stuff is in my head, then I'm going to say 90% of the things you post are exaggerated bull. You're way too focused on resolution constraints and CPU bottlenecks.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: toyota
most of the people that claim they need 60fps would never even know what the framerate was in most games if they didnt check it. I have played games that felt sluggish while getting 60-70fps and then I have played Crysis at 30fps and been completely satisfied. you live in a fantasyland if you think you are always going to be above 60fps in many games. there is more to a system than just a gpu you know so running a gpu that is overkill for a res and/or cpu wont always help anyway especially with minimum framerates. also every game engine is different and some feel crappy and slow at times no matter what the actual framerate is. I guarantee you that I can take a game that you were getting 60fps in but you had no framerate counter and then told you game was capped at 30fps you would say yeah it felt sluggish. lol. 90% of this 60fps stuff is just in your head. now competitive multiplayer I can understand but the average single player game is not a big deal.

The OP is running a Phenom II X4 @ 3.2 GHz... he's not going to constrain a 5850 and his minimum framerates should be determined by the GPU and not his particular CPU.

Of course everything is just a general statement, and everything I said applies to most of the games on the market. You might be able to find some outliers, but that doesn't make you right or prove your point. The dude likes to max out all of his games. This statement is pretty important. In fact I'd say it's the most important statement he made.

In every game I've played, I can easily spot the difference between 40 and 60 FPS. Now I'm not going to be able to tell you the exact framerate at the exact moment in a game, but I can tell when a game becomes choppy at lower framerates and when it becomes extremely smooth at 60 (or above) framerates. If you have games which are choppy at 60 FPS, then you best better provide some data for us to analyze. This meaning tell us what game it was and what hardware you were using, because what you're saying goes severely against the grain.

If you're going to say 90% of the 60fps stuff is in my head, then I'm going to say 90% of the things you post are exaggerated bull. You're way too focused on resolution constraints and CPU bottlenecks.

I am being realistic. 1440x900 is a very low res and there is not one single game that couldnt be played smoothly at that res with a card like the 4890 which the 5770 should be just as fast as. yes his cpu is good but running a card like the 5850 at that low res it would give up quite a bit in some games compared to an i7. not that it would be a big issue but he wants the best card for the money for his current setup and if the 5770 is priced right then that is it. if he is planning a larger monitor soon then by all means get the 5850. if you really consider that bad advice then i give up.

as for some games not feeling smooth even at higher framerates it is usually just the game engine. for example Fallout 3 had little hitches outside even when I was right at 50-60. Far Cry 2 in DX10 had a little stutter in it even though the framerate was higher than DX9. the well known fix for that was to cap the framerate. high framerates doesnt always mean smooth gameplay and hopefully you understand what I mean now.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: toyota
most of the people that claim they need 60fps would never even know what the framerate was in most games if they didnt check it. I have played games that felt sluggish while getting 60-70fps and then I have played Crysis at 30fps and been completely satisfied. you live in a fantasyland if you think you are always going to be above 60fps in many games. there is more to a system than just a gpu you know so running a gpu that is overkill for a res and/or cpu wont always help anyway especially with minimum framerates. also every game engine is different and some feel crappy and slow at times no matter what the actual framerate is. I guarantee you that I can take a game that you were getting 60fps in but you had no framerate counter and then told you game was capped at 30fps you would say yeah it felt sluggish. lol. 90% of this 60fps stuff is just in your head. now competitive multiplayer I can understand but the average single player game is not a big deal.

The OP is running a Phenom II X4 @ 3.2 GHz... he's not going to constrain a 5850 and his minimum framerates should be determined by the GPU and not his particular CPU.

Of course everything is just a general statement, and everything I said applies to most of the games on the market. You might be able to find some outliers, but that doesn't make you right or prove your point. The dude likes to max out all of his games. This statement is pretty important. In fact I'd say it's the most important statement he made.

In every game I've played, I can easily spot the difference between 40 and 60 FPS. Now I'm not going to be able to tell you the exact framerate at the exact moment in a game, but I can tell when a game becomes choppy at lower framerates and when it becomes extremely smooth at 60 (or above) framerates. If you have games which are choppy at 60 FPS, then you best better provide some data for us to analyze. This meaning tell us what game it was and what hardware you were using, because what you're saying goes severely against the grain.

If you're going to say 90% of the 60fps stuff is in my head, then I'm going to say 90% of the things you post are exaggerated bull. You're way too focused on resolution constraints and CPU bottlenecks.

I am being realistic. 1440x900 is a very low res and there is not one single game that couldnt be played smoothly at that res with a card like the 4890 which the 5770 should be just as fast as. yes his cpu is good but running a card like the 5850 at that low res it would give up quite a bit in some games compared to an i7. not that it would be a big issue but he wants the best card for the money for his current setup and if the 5770 is priced right then that is it. if he is planning a larger monitor soon then by all means get the 5850. if you really consider that bad advice then i give up.

as for some games not feeling smooth even at higher framerates it is usually just the game engine. for example Fallout 3 had little hitches out side even when I was right at 50-60. in some games going to all low settings and getting massive framerates doesnt always fix the way some games "feel".

Yep 1440 x 900 isn't exactly a lot of pixels.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: Ben90


You need to look at price/performance not specific performance in todays games at a specific resolution. Tomorrows games will be ever more taxing and trust me, you will be wishing u get that extra ~10% performance that in 2009 was completely unnecessary, it may even let you skip another generation of vcards

Well sometimes 10% extra performance costs 40% more money.....so buying what is most applicable for current demands usually is more practical.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: Ben90
i especially hate the if you have such and such res, you should have such and such a card.

Yes.....but those recommendations make the most sense.

Video cards only affect the graphics side of things and if a person doesn't have a lot of graphics to be processed.....then a big video card isn't needed.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
Hello guys... i'm just wondering how would a 5850 or 5770 perform on my rig because the benchmarks here on anandtech use i7 rigs..

as my specs are listed below on my signature, which one of these cards would better perform?

is 5850 will be a bottleneck for my system? or is the 5770 will be much better?

your opinions will be appreciated =) just wanna clear my head before I buy my new card...

The HD5850 would give you more freedom for dialing up AA/AF/detail settings before frame rates began to be negatively affected.

As far as maximum frame rates go.....that is determined by your CPU/memory and to a degree your hard drive (for games like Crysis)

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: happy medium
Max for a game for me is all settings on high and running without stuttering. As in smooth gameplay. Min 30fps for most games.
I can't tell the difference between 40 and 60fps.

30fps as "smooth gameplay"...!

I should put this into my sig.

Priceless.

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: netxzero64
Hello guys... i'm just wondering how would a 5850 or 5770 perform on my rig because the benchmarks here on anandtech use i7 rigs..

as my specs are listed below on my signature, which one of these cards would better perform?

is 5850 will be a bottleneck for my system? or is the 5770 will be much better?

your opinions will be appreciated =) just wanna clear my head before I buy my new card...

Either way it's a whole new world from your current onboard VGA... if your budget is tight and you don't plan to upgrade your monitor in a year or so you can probably get by a 5850 1GB just fine but I'd suggest rather adding that extra $100 now and get a 23-24" LCD upgrade for ~$200 in one of those crazy Christmas markdowns at Dell.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: netxzero64
Hello guys... i'm just wondering how would a 5850 or 5770 perform on my rig because the benchmarks here on anandtech use i7 rigs..

as my specs are listed below on my signature, which one of these cards would better perform?

is 5850 will be a bottleneck for my system? or is the 5770 will be much better?

your opinions will be appreciated =) just wanna clear my head before I buy my new card...

Either way it's a whole new world from your current onboard VGA... if your budget is tight and you don't plan to upgrade your monitor in a year or so you can probably get by a 5850 1GB just fine but I'd suggest rather adding that extra $100 now and get a 23-24" LCD upgrade for ~$200 in one of those crazy Christmas markdowns at Dell.

what? if he doenst plan to upgrade from 1440x900 then he can "get by" on a 5850? lol. a 5770 will be more than enough for him to "get by" on a that low res.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: toyota
most of the people that claim they need 60fps would never even know what the framerate was in most games if they didnt check it. I have played games that felt sluggish while getting 60-70fps and then I have played Crysis at 30fps and been completely satisfied. you live in a fantasyland if you think you are always going to be above 60fps in many games. there is more to a system than just a gpu you know so running a gpu that is overkill for a res and/or cpu wont always help anyway especially with minimum framerates. also every game engine is different and some feel crappy and slow at times no matter what the actual framerate is. I guarantee you that I can take a game that you were getting 60fps in but you had no framerate counter and then told you game was capped at 30fps you would say yeah it felt sluggish. lol. 90% of this 60fps stuff is just in your head. now competitive multiplayer I can understand but the average single player game is not a big deal.

The OP is running a Phenom II X4 @ 3.2 GHz... he's not going to constrain a 5850 and his minimum framerates should be determined by the GPU and not his particular CPU.

Of course everything is just a general statement, and everything I said applies to most of the games on the market. You might be able to find some outliers, but that doesn't make you right or prove your point. The dude likes to max out all of his games. This statement is pretty important. In fact I'd say it's the most important statement he made.

In every game I've played, I can easily spot the difference between 40 and 60 FPS. Now I'm not going to be able to tell you the exact framerate at the exact moment in a game, but I can tell when a game becomes choppy at lower framerates and when it becomes extremely smooth at 60 (or above) framerates. If you have games which are choppy at 60 FPS, then you best better provide some data for us to analyze. This meaning tell us what game it was and what hardware you were using, because what you're saying goes severely against the grain.

If you're going to say 90% of the 60fps stuff is in my head, then I'm going to say 90% of the things you post are exaggerated bull. You're way too focused on resolution constraints and CPU bottlenecks.

I am being realistic. 1440x900 is a very low res and there is not one single game that couldnt be played smoothly at that res with a card like the 4890 which the 5770 should be just as fast as. yes his cpu is good but running a card like the 5850 at that low res it would give up quite a bit in some games compared to an i7. not that it would be a big issue but he wants the best card for the money for his current setup and if the 5770 is priced right then that is it. if he is planning a larger monitor soon then by all means get the 5850. if you really consider that bad advice then i give up.

as for some games not feeling smooth even at higher framerates it is usually just the game engine. for example Fallout 3 had little hitches outside even when I was right at 50-60. Far Cry 2 in DX10 had a little stutter in it even though the framerate was higher than DX9. the well known fix for that was to cap the framerate. high framerates doesnt always mean smooth gameplay and hopefully you understand what I mean now.

He never said anything about the best card for the money. He wants the best card, and that card is the 5850. Besides we don't even know, for sure, how the 5770 will perform or what its price will be.

Hitching (microstuttering) is completely different than having a below 40 framerate. And those two games are not indicative of most games.

what? if he doenst plan to upgrade from 1440x900 then he can "get by" on a 5850? lol. a 5770 will be more than enough for him to "get by" on a that low res.

He doesn't want to "get by". He wants to max out his games as well as future games. He should get the fastest card he can reasonably afford. The rest of his system will not hold him back, especially when more demanding games start coming onto the market.

 

[netxzero64]

well... am just still in the planning process if i'd buy a new LCD... because it will take sometime again before I could buy something else for an upgrade on my rig after buying a new VC...

about my power supply, It could power my rig with my previous GPU, (GTX 260 sonic) OC'ed at 746, 1575, 1302 (GPU, shader, and mems respectively) and obviously the GTX 260 guzzles more power compared to a 5850 or even the 5770... so I think I could handle a 5770 or 5850 better with a lot of headroom for OC'ing...

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: toyota
most of the people that claim they need 60fps would never even know what the framerate was in most games if they didnt check it. I have played games that felt sluggish while getting 60-70fps and then I have played Crysis at 30fps and been completely satisfied. you live in a fantasyland if you think you are always going to be above 60fps in many games. there is more to a system than just a gpu you know so running a gpu that is overkill for a res and/or cpu wont always help anyway especially with minimum framerates. also every game engine is different and some feel crappy and slow at times no matter what the actual framerate is. I guarantee you that I can take a game that you were getting 60fps in but you had no framerate counter and then told you game was capped at 30fps you would say yeah it felt sluggish. lol. 90% of this 60fps stuff is just in your head. now competitive multiplayer I can understand but the average single player game is not a big deal.

The OP is running a Phenom II X4 @ 3.2 GHz... he's not going to constrain a 5850 and his minimum framerates should be determined by the GPU and not his particular CPU.

Of course everything is just a general statement, and everything I said applies to most of the games on the market. You might be able to find some outliers, but that doesn't make you right or prove your point. The dude likes to max out all of his games. This statement is pretty important. In fact I'd say it's the most important statement he made.

In every game I've played, I can easily spot the difference between 40 and 60 FPS. Now I'm not going to be able to tell you the exact framerate at the exact moment in a game, but I can tell when a game becomes choppy at lower framerates and when it becomes extremely smooth at 60 (or above) framerates. If you have games which are choppy at 60 FPS, then you best better provide some data for us to analyze. This meaning tell us what game it was and what hardware you were using, because what you're saying goes severely against the grain.

If you're going to say 90% of the 60fps stuff is in my head, then I'm going to say 90% of the things you post are exaggerated bull. You're way too focused on resolution constraints and CPU bottlenecks.

I am being realistic. 1440x900 is a very low res and there is not one single game that couldnt be played smoothly at that res with a card like the 4890 which the 5770 should be just as fast as. yes his cpu is good but running a card like the 5850 at that low res it would give up quite a bit in some games compared to an i7. not that it would be a big issue but he wants the best card for the money for his current setup and if the 5770 is priced right then that is it. if he is planning a larger monitor soon then by all means get the 5850. if you really consider that bad advice then i give up.

as for some games not feeling smooth even at higher framerates it is usually just the game engine. for example Fallout 3 had little hitches outside even when I was right at 50-60. Far Cry 2 in DX10 had a little stutter in it even though the framerate was higher than DX9. the well known fix for that was to cap the framerate. high framerates doesnt always mean smooth gameplay and hopefully you understand what I mean now.

He never said anything about the best card for the money. He wants the best card, and that card is the 5850. Besides we don't even know, for sure, how the 5770 will perform or what its price will be.

Hitching (microstuttering) is completely different than having a below 40 framerate. And those two games are not indicative of most games.

what? if he doenst plan to upgrade from 1440x900 then he can "get by" on a 5850? lol. a 5770 will be more than enough for him to "get by" on a that low res.

He doesn't want to "get by". He wants to max out his games as well as future games. He should get the fastest card he can reasonably afford. The rest of his system will not hold him back, especially when more demanding games start coming onto the market.

perhaps you should read back through the thread because he said he wanted the best bang for buck card. also a 5770 wont be just getting by. you are being ridiculous if you think a 5770 wont be able to smoothly handle every game out there at the very low 1440x900.

 

[nyker96]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: nyker96
5770 is not fast enough to be an upgrade, I'd go for 5870 or 5850.

what the heck are you talking about? he has onboard video and it would be stupid to recommend a 5870 and really even a 5850 for 1440x900. those cards tear through games at 1920. hell even a current 4870 will max every game out there at 1440x900.

he's choosing between the 5770 vs 5850 and most leaked benchmarks on the 5770 says it's no faster than the current generation cards, most sites thinks the 5770 is overpriced than what it offers. you can get a comparablly performing dx10.1 part for about $50 less than it's asking price and the only advantage 5770 offers is dx11 and not more performance. the sweet spot and best buy for the money right now is either a lower priced but ubiquitous hd 4870/90s or the well priced hd5850 if you can find one.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: nyker96

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: nyker96
5770 is not fast enough to be an upgrade, I'd go for 5870 or 5850.

what the heck are you talking about? he has onboard video and it would be stupid to recommend a 5870 and really even a 5850 for 1440x900. those cards tear through games at 1920. hell even a current 4870 will max every game out there at 1440x900.

he's choosing between the 5770 vs 5850 and most leaked benchmarks on the 5770 says it's no faster than the current generation cards, most sites thinks the 5770 is overpriced than what it offers. you can get a comparablly performing dx10.1 part for about $50 less than it's asking price and the only advantage 5770 offers is dx11 and not more performance. the sweet spot and best buy for the money right now is either a lower priced but ubiquitous hd 4870/90s or the well priced hd5850 if you can find one.

well I guess we need to see what the final product and price will be. surely it will have at least 960 to 1120sp so it should be as fast or faster than a 4890 which will play anything smoothly at that low 1440x900 res. if the 5770 price isnt too much more than the 4890 cards it would certainly make more sense than getting old tech.

 

[cbn]

Originally posted by: nyker96

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: nyker96
5770 is not fast enough to be an upgrade, I'd go for 5870 or 5850.

what the heck are you talking about? he has onboard video and it would be stupid to recommend a 5870 and really even a 5850 for 1440x900. those cards tear through games at 1920. hell even a current 4870 will max every game out there at 1440x900.

he's choosing between the 5770 vs 5850 and most leaked benchmarks on the 5770 says it's no faster than the current generation cards, most sites thinks the 5770 is overpriced than what it offers. you can get a comparablly performing dx10.1 part for about $50 less than it's asking price and the only advantage 5770 offers is dx11 and not more performance. the sweet spot and best buy for the money right now is either a lower priced but ubiquitous hd 4870/90s or the well priced hd5850 if you can find one.

Either that is true or the HD5770 ends up being a fast card.

If HD5770 is truly a fast card selling off HD48xx Old stock and "harvested" Cypress cores as HD5850 before releasing it makes sense.

Even if HD5770 is a fast card something tells me HD5850 will still be considered a better a Overclocking value. (ie, 725 Mhz core to 1000-1050 Mhz core is a big jump)

 

[T2k]

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: T2k

Originally posted by: netxzero64
Hello guys... i'm just wondering how would a 5850 or 5770 perform on my rig because the benchmarks here on anandtech use i7 rigs..

as my specs are listed below on my signature, which one of these cards would better perform?

is 5850 will be a bottleneck for my system? or is the 5770 will be much better?

your opinions will be appreciated =) just wanna clear my head before I buy my new card...

Either way it's a whole new world from your current onboard VGA... if your budget is tight and you don't plan to upgrade your monitor in a year or so you can probably get by a 5850 1GB just fine but I'd suggest rather adding that extra $100 now and get a 23-24" LCD upgrade for ~$200 in one of those crazy Christmas markdowns at Dell.

what? if he doenst plan to upgrade from 1440x900 then he can "get by" on a 5850? lol. a 5770 will be more than enough for him to "get by" on a that low res.

And you are sure of this... how exactly?

If you have read any review you should know that 5850 is far from being "more than enough", even for 1440x900.

 

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Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: toyota

Originally posted by: cusideabelincoln

Originally posted by: toyota
most of the people that claim they need 60fps would never even know what the framerate was in most games if they didnt check it. I have played games that felt sluggish while getting 60-70fps and then I have played Crysis at 30fps and been completely satisfied. you live in a fantasyland if you think you are always going to be above 60fps in many games. there is more to a system than just a gpu you know so running a gpu that is overkill for a res and/or cpu wont always help anyway especially with minimum framerates. also every game engine is different and some feel crappy and slow at times no matter what the actual framerate is. I guarantee you that I can take a game that you were getting 60fps in but you had no framerate counter and then told you game was capped at 30fps you would say yeah it felt sluggish. lol. 90% of this 60fps stuff is just in your head. now competitive multiplayer I can understand but the average single player game is not a big deal.

The OP is running a Phenom II X4 @ 3.2 GHz... he's not going to constrain a 5850 and his minimum framerates should be determined by the GPU and not his particular CPU.

Of course everything is just a general statement, and everything I said applies to most of the games on the market. You might be able to find some outliers, but that doesn't make you right or prove your point. The dude likes to max out all of his games. This statement is pretty important. In fact I'd say it's the most important statement he made.

In every game I've played, I can easily spot the difference between 40 and 60 FPS. Now I'm not going to be able to tell you the exact framerate at the exact moment in a game, but I can tell when a game becomes choppy at lower framerates and when it becomes extremely smooth at 60 (or above) framerates. If you have games which are choppy at 60 FPS, then you best better provide some data for us to analyze. This meaning tell us what game it was and what hardware you were using, because what you're saying goes severely against the grain.

If you're going to say 90% of the 60fps stuff is in my head, then I'm going to say 90% of the things you post are exaggerated bull. You're way too focused on resolution constraints and CPU bottlenecks.

I am being realistic. 1440x900 is a very low res and there is not one single game that couldnt be played smoothly at that res with a card like the 4890 which the 5770 should be just as fast as. yes his cpu is good but running a card like the 5850 at that low res it would give up quite a bit in some games compared to an i7. not that it would be a big issue but he wants the best card for the money for his current setup and if the 5770 is priced right then that is it. if he is planning a larger monitor soon then by all means get the 5850. if you really consider that bad advice then i give up.

as for some games not feeling smooth even at higher framerates it is usually just the game engine. for example Fallout 3 had little hitches outside even when I was right at 50-60. Far Cry 2 in DX10 had a little stutter in it even though the framerate was higher than DX9. the well known fix for that was to cap the framerate. high framerates doesnt always mean smooth gameplay and hopefully you understand what I mean now.

He never said anything about the best card for the money. He wants the best card, and that card is the 5850. Besides we don't even know, for sure, how the 5770 will perform or what its price will be.

Hitching (microstuttering) is completely different than having a below 40 framerate. And those two games are not indicative of most games.

what? if he doenst plan to upgrade from 1440x900 then he can "get by" on a 5850? lol. a 5770 will be more than enough for him to "get by" on a that low res.

He doesn't want to "get by". He wants to max out his games as well as future games. He should get the fastest card he can reasonably afford. The rest of his system will not hold him back, especially when more demanding games start coming onto the market.

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