57 Think Democrat Agenda "Extreme"

[SammyJr]

Guess you missed the poll. I speak for the majority of this nation who reject this presidency, his policies and his agenda.

You assume that all of those who express disapproval are as completely opposed as you are. If they polled for your level of angst, it would likely be around 20% or whatever the Tea Party support polls as.

 

[nick1985]

You assume that all of those who express disapproval are as completely opposed as you are. If they polled for your level of angst, it would likely be around 20% or whatever the Tea Party support polls as.

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20 (see trends)."


A lot more than 20% of the nation strongly dissaproves of Obama.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

 

[Acanthus]

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20 (see trends)."


A lot more than 20% of the nation strongly dissaproves of Obama.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

source other than rasmussen?

They are always off on everything, dem or repub.

I'm not sure if its bad methodology or outright lying, but they definitely aren't even close to accurate.

 

[SammyJr]

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20 (see trends)."


A lot more than 20% of the nation strongly dissaproves of Obama.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Let's see something other than Rasmussen. It seems like they have the Tea Party phone list programmed into their autodialer.

 

[nick1985]

I'm not sure if its bad methodology or outright lying, but they definitely aren't even close to accurate.

On what. They seem to get the presidential elections spot on.


I dont see any other polling that does strongly disapprove, although I havn't searched hard.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

Your boy seems to be falling off a cliff

 

[ProfJohn]

Bubbles temporarily cover up the fact that entire industries have left American soil - industries that used to employ millions.

Would you identify an industry that used to employ millions that has now completely left American soil, thank you.

 

[Craig234]

nm

 

[Acanthus]

Would you identify an industry that used to employ millions that has now completely left American soil, thank you.

"Completely" was added by you.

However:

Help desk support for nearly all industries

 

[Acanthus]

On what. They seem to get the presidential elections spot on.


I dont see any other polling that does strongly disapprove, although I havn't searched hard.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

Your boy seems to be falling off a cliff

that link kind of proves my point, lol.

There's a lot of rasmussens in there, and look at whos putting out all of the outliers on both trend lines.

If unemployment doesn't come down, he will continue to lose popularity, anyone in his position would.

My point was rasmussen seems to find a way to skew every statistic about 5 points in favor of the republican position.

 

[spidey07]

that link kind of proves my point, lol.

There's a lot of rasmussens in there, and look at whos putting out all of the outliers on both trend lines.

If unemployment doesn't come down, he will continue to lose popularity, anyone in his position would.

My point was rasmussen seems to find a way to skew every statistic about 5 points in favor of the republican position.

Ok, so only 40% of The People hate Obama and another 20% really, really don't like him. You satisfied with that?

 

[ProfJohn]

"Completely" was added by you.

However:

Help desk support for nearly all industries

He said 'entire industries' which would imply 'completely' would it not?

And you are wrong about help desk. My companies help desk is ran out of the same place it always has. And a local company runs a large help desk center right in the same county as me.

Sure a lot of those jobs moved to India, but a lot of them are still here in the US.

 

[SammyJr]

Would you identify an industry that used to employ millions that has now completely left American soil, thank you.

Look around Wal-mart, Target, or the mall. Most shoes, clothing, textiles, toys, furniture, and most other consumer goods outside of the Health/Beauty section are made overseas. Look inside your PC. Where's the motherboard made? Where's the RAM made? Where's the HD from?

Its only your Free Trade faith that blinds you to the fact that everything labeled "Made in China" was once made by an American worker who was paid a living wage and didn't rely on the Government.

 

[Jhhnn]

"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 25% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-five percent (45%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -20 (see trends)."


A lot more than 20% of the nation strongly dissaproves of Obama.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Heh. they didn't say why, did they?

Righties are quick to jump on any sort of disapproval for the other side, assume that disapproval actually agrees with them.

Lots of Libs currently disapprove of Obama's policies, given that he's governed well to the right of where they thought he would. It's not like those people will vote for the usual repub stooge at all...

 

[SammyJr]

He said 'entire industries' which would imply 'completely' would it not?

And you are wrong about help desk. My companies help desk is ran out of the same place it always has. And a local company runs a large help desk center right in the same county as me.

Sure a lot of those jobs moved to India, but a lot of them are still here in the US.

Yeah, those help desk jobs in India are great for the average American. Really supports the part of the economy that matters to them.

 

[SammyJr]

Lots of Libs currently disapprove of Obama's policies, given that he's governed well to the right of where they thought he would. It's not like those people will vote for the usual repub stooge at all...

This. Case in point, the health care bill. I'm someone who doesn't approve, but that doesn't mean I support the Republican plans to kill Medicare or think that the free market will magically make things better for people with chronic illness.

 

[spidey07]

Heh. they didn't say why, did they?

Righties are quick to jump on any sort of disapproval for the other side, assume that disapproval actually agrees with them.

Lots of Libs currently disapprove of Obama's policies, given that he's governed well to the right of where they thought he would. It's not like those people will vote for the usual repub stooge at all...

What the fuck are you smoking? He's the most leftist president our nation has ever seen and as you can see this nation is flatly rejecting him

Fuck Barrack Hussein Obama.

 

[OrByte]

What the fuck are you smoking? He's the most leftist president our nation has ever seen and as you can see this nation is flatly rejecting him

Fuck Barrack Hussein Obama.

/crazy poodle

 

[Jhhnn]

What the fuck are you smoking? He's the most leftist president our nation has ever seen and as you can see this nation is flatly rejecting him

Fuck Barrack Hussein Obama.

Rave on, Fund-a-mental. Mental case, that is.

The healthcare legislation looks strangely like what repubs proposed in 1993, somehow, but now they hate it... kinda like Romneycare, too... but they still hate it.

The occupation of Iraq is winding down according to the GWB timetable, too, and efforts in Afghanistan have increased, just as Righties wanted and Obama promised to deliver...

Taxes remain well below pre-Reagan levels, despite all the raving... I suppose Ike and Tricky Dicky were Leftists in your book, too, huh?

And the shift in income and wealth to the tippy top proceeds unabated along with offshoring... Offshore drilling increased, too, just as Righties advocated, with disastrous results...

Yeh, one helluva leftist, I'll tell ya. He wasn't born in this country, either, and he's a muslim who wants to pollute your precious bodily fluids...

 

[Orignal Earl]

/crazy poodle

lol

 

[SammyJr]

What the fuck are you smoking? He's the most leftist president our nation has ever seen and as you can see this nation is flatly rejecting him

Fuck Barrack Hussein Obama.

Ooooooooooooo Hussein... like Saddam Hussein... the scary bad guy that was worth thousands of American lives.... I'm shaking in my Chinese made shoes at your originality.

 

[SammyJr]

That would be great, but I'm not optimistic.

Alt/renewable/green energy has been the hottest sector for investment by venture capital and other private funding for about 10 years now. We've had plenty of money going into it for a good while.

IIRC, the BLM/FERC or whoever is responsible stopped issuing new permits for projects for a time. However, last year Obama announced a new fast-track permitting process. Unfortunately, as of June this year not one permit has been issued

http://earth2tech.com/2010/07/21/solar-biz-lack-of-permits-for-solar-on-federal-land-is-disturbing/

And we still have the problem of a lack of transmission infrastructure (power lines etc) to deliver any new sources of power. IIRC, that's why T Boone Pickens dropped his plans for the mega wind generated power project. This could have been addressed in the stimulous, but wasn't as far as I can tell.

I'd like to see a bubble, but am not optimistic.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2013683,00.html

If this article is even 50% true, we're looking at a Green bubble. I'd love to say it was long term, but I'm sure the C level execs are hard at work on sending these jobs to China in a few years.

 

[werepossum]

Nah, the stage was set back under Clinton's term from what I can see.

I really blame whatever dumb@ss allowed Collateralized Debt Swaps ("CDS").

Boom and bust cycles in real estate? We've always had those, even moreso at the state/local level.

CDO's or MBS? (pick your term) There's nothing intrinsically wrong with those.

But CDS's are instrinsically problematic. Destined to fail in an epic way by their very design. They greatly amplified the R/E cycle and bust.

During Bush's term, Repubs held both houses of Congress (with slim majorites, particularly in the Senate) for only about 4-5 years. Domestic issues, particularly the economy are the domain of Congress. I think the President's role is far too often over emphasized here (and elsewhere). And as has been pointed out, the Repub tried to reign in Fannie & Freddie and were blocked by Frank and others, so there's plenty of blame to go around. I'm still looking for that bill (old failed proposed legislation seems a bit difficult to find), I wanna see what Obama voted against when he was a Senator and how that squares with his subsequent remarks.

Fern

I think the seeds of our failure go back even farther. Nixon opened up China - huge mistake. Carter started the idea that Fannie and Freddie should be in the business of providing homes for people not able to afford them, not to mention having the dubious honor of being the first American president to think that Americans should have a lower standard of living as a matter of principle and fairness. Reagan (whom I generally love) was a free trader and a deregulator (good for prosperity but at the price of more severe boom-bust cycles.) Bush I was a free trader as well. Clinton furthered free trade and removed all tech limitations from Red China, which directly led to that nation's world dominance in manufacturing. Bush II (the revenge) furthered free trade and deregulation as well. And Congresses led by both parties have been big on free trade and (especially true for Republicans) deregulation. Free trade pits the American worker against workers making only a tiny fraction as much, with little or no economic and safety regulations. It also shifts income up the food chain toward resource owners versus wage workers, which increases the portion of speculation and reduces the portion of wealth production activity in the economy (thereby making it less stable.) Deregulation makes business more profitable, but leads to faster booms and deeper busts as well. And for the icing on the shit cake we have illegal immigration, increasing the amount of labor available even as the number of wealth-producing jobs declines and therefore further driving down wages and driving up wealth disparity.

What this country desperately needs but neither party offers is a way to retain & return manufacturing and other wealth-producing jobs to this country. Until we have that, we either have to continually lower our standard of living, or continually increase our borrowing to pay for the gap between our lifestyle and our wealth production.

 

[Moonbeam]

What this country desperately needs but neither party offers is a way to retain & return manufacturing and other wealth-producing jobs to this country. Until we have that, we either have to continually lower our standard of living, or continually increase our borrowing to pay for the gap between our lifestyle and our wealth production.

Won't that happen automatically when the average American works for less than folk in any other country?

 

[werepossum]

Won't that happen automatically when the average American works for less than folk in any other country?

Yes, it inevitably will, except that so far we're just borrowing the difference. But to reach parity we would have to work for the same wages as the Chinese or Mexican worker, less the cost of our environmental and safety legislation (above that in other states), plus the cost of shipping to be competitive worldwide. That's hardly an attractive wage and it doesn't even take into account the vastly higher cost of an injured American worker versus third-world nation workers. And while resource owners and upper management right now are making out like bandits, soon enough the Chinese and Mexican companies manufacturing their products will come out with their own products, with a huge competitive advantage in not having the bloated overhead of the American companies.

Worse, third world nations tend to have repressive political systems which tend to artificially depress wages, so more work flowing into these nations will not necessarily raise their wages (which would at least raise the bottom as we race toward it.)

 

[Fern]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2013683,00.html

If this article is even 50% true, we're looking at a Green bubble. I'd love to say it was long term, but I'm sure the C level execs are hard at work on sending these jobs to China in a few years.

Thanks for the link.

Looks like some good stuff.

Fern