54.4% Margins - Nvidia

[raghu78]

Are you two going to be playing the cherry picking game much longer? LOL.

man you are talking about cherry picking. irony of life. :biggrin: remember when Hitman Absolution's in game benchmark was not indicative of gameplay benchmarks. its the same here. except AMD's performance is lower in the in game benchmark tool.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/bioshock_infinite_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,5.html

The Test​

"If you like to try a test run, the game has a built in benchmark. Here's what that looks like. "​

here's hitman from guru3d benches​

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_670_mini_review,9.html​

HD 7970 Ghz matching Titan . thats just completely wrong. want to see actual gameplay benchmarks.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/02/21/nvidia_geforce_gtx_titan_video_card_review/4

Titan is 40% faster than HD 7970 Ghz. now thats why you need to check whether they are using in game benchmark tool or performing actual gameplay benchmarking.

 

[Keysplayr]

Oh I get it. You think because an nvidia card (titan) came out on top I'd jump for joy and change my tune?
Not a thing you just posted changes my prior comment. At all. :'(
Anyone can hunt and find graphs to support their arguments/agendas.

 

[raghu78]

Oh I get it. You think because an nvidia card (titan) came out on top I'd jump for joy and change my tune?
Not a thing you just posted changes my prior comment. At all. :'(
Anyone can hunt and find graphs to support their arguments/agendas.

everyone on this site knows your extreme bias and your allegiance. so I don't care about what you think. the fact is the in game benchmark tool is not representative of actual gameplay performance.

techreport, hardocp, hardwarecanucks are few sites who do not run in game benchmark tool. they run gameplay benchmarks.

 

[blackened23]

I'm sorry, but every time I see accusations of bias I think to myself.... "so what?"

Everyone has confirmation bias to varying extents, for better or worse. Someone may prefer pepsi and you prefer coke....who cares really.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

This is xtreme thou

 

[raghu78]

I'm sorry, but every time I see accusations of bias I think to myself.... "so what?"

Everyone has confirmation bias to varying extents, for better or worse. Someone may prefer pepsi and you prefer coke....who cares really.

when I posted bioshock infinite gameplay benchmarks he said I was cherry picking. So anything which is not to his liking he will call cherry picking. thats the context in which i told him to buzz off. a Nvidia Focus Group member talking of other people being biased. does anybody care about him or what he thinks. no :whiste:

 

[Jaydip]

when I posted bioshock infinite gameplay benchmarks he said I was cherry picking. So anything which is not to his liking he will call cherry picking. thats the context in which i told him to buzz off. a Nvidia Focus Group member talking of other people being biased. does anybody care about him or what he thinks. no :whiste:

This I absolutely don't agree with.Keys is a focus group member but so what? he at list has the decency to put it under his signature.We are entitled to our own opinions but that doesn't make others opinion invalid .

 

[raghu78]

This I absolutely don't agree with.Keys is a focus group member but so what? he at list has the decency to put it under his signature.We are entitled to our own opinions but that doesn't make others opinion invalid .

When I posted data to back my point of view he said i was cherry picking. thats what I took offense with. everyone has the right to his views. both him and others.

 

[NIGELG]

People buy what they know and what they trust. You really need something special to change that. Bundles and a little money not enough. Nvidia really is very reliable - they don't give many people a reason to switch. This is further backed up by all the little extras Nvidia have - not just physx, the new geforce experience for example is just brilliant - install game, open geforce experience, click optimize, job done - no fiddling with settings required.

Last time AMD had a card that was really worth switching for was the 5xxx, lots of people did switch but tbh they are less reliable - whatever the fanboys say AMD drivers are worse - so they haven't held on to those people as well.

No.

I can't trust Nvidia.

Their cards tend to die on me.

I got three free games with my 7970.

My 9800 pro,4850,and 5850 were very reliable.

Stop making blanket statements.

 

[Keysplayr]

When I posted data to back my point of view he said i was cherry picking. thats what I took offense with. everyone has the right to his views. both him and others.

I've noticed a little detail you've left out. I said "both" indicating you and willomz were cherry picking. But your brain refuses to acknowledge this little tidbit because it would indicate some kind of fairness and neutrality on my part. And you just can't have that now can you.

 

[SirPauly]

I'm sorry, but every time I see accusations of bias I think to myself.... "so what?"

Everyone has confirmation bias to varying extents, for better or worse. Someone may prefer pepsi and you prefer coke....who cares really.

Indeed! The key is there are choices to consider --- find the choice that best fits one subjective needs, tastes, tolerances, thresholds and wallet --- enjoy and hopefully share views with others.

I'm extremely biased for tools, flexibility of tools, features that offer immersion and enhance gaming experience potential. Some buy more-so on price/performance and perfectly understandable -- gamers needs are not all the same.

 

[raghu78]

I've noticed a little detail you've left out. I said "both" indicating you and willomz were cherry picking. But your brain refuses to acknowledge this little tidbit because it would indicate some kind of fairness and neutrality on my part. And you just can't have that now can you.

according to you anything which is not to your liking is cherry picking. You and neutral cannot be in the same statement especially on the topic of GPUs. :biggrin:

 

[Keysplayr]

Sort of like overlooking a detail to suit your pov.
Got it big guy.

 

[MrK6]

Sort of like overlooking a detail to suit your pov.
Got it big guy.

Saying everyone sucks as well so you don't feel alone is a poor stance in any argument, I would stop it if I were you.

according to you anything which is not to your liking is cherry picking. You and neutral cannot be in the same statement especially on the topic of GPUs. :biggrin:

Don't even waste your time.

 

[Nintendesert]

Dang, 20 pages of this stuff. I've lost track, can someone summarize what we're arguing about here?

 

[3DVagabond]

Dang, 20 pages of this stuff. I've lost track, can someone summarize what we're arguing about here?

People are paying too much for nVidia cards.

Group 1: No they aren't!

Group 2: Yes they are!

Group 1: No they aren't!

Group 2: Yes they are!

Group 1: No they aren't!

Group 2: Yes they are!

 

[Keysplayr]

Saying everyone sucks as well so you don't feel alone is a poor stance in any argument, I would stop it if I were you.

Don't even waste your time.

Quote me saying that and I'll give you a cookie. Until then, mind your own accuracies if you're going to say somebody said something. Mmmkay?

 

[blastingcap]

Dang, 20 pages of this stuff. I've lost track, can someone summarize what we're arguing about here?

Group 1: GO PREMIUMS!
Group 2: NO PREMIUMS!

 

[Sleepingforest]

Dang, 20 pages of this stuff. I've lost track, can someone summarize what we're arguing about here?

Group 1: Iz too expensive
Group 2: Iz reasonable

Mods: BAHN-HAHMAH TAHM. (I hope this doesn't count as a mod callout. I mean it facetiously, and I'm pretty sure the ban hammer has yet to be needed.)

 

[tential]

Dang, 20 pages of this stuff. I've lost track, can someone summarize what we're arguing about here?

Some people expect 1000 dollar video cards to have reasonable price to performance while others realize that it's a luxury item and that you're paying a large premium to have the best.

Is a GTX Titan worth 1000 dollars as a piece of hardware? Probably not just like a mercedes S550 isn't worth over 100k as parts alone. However, the bragging rights to owning a mercedes or a Titan, is that worth the price premium? To some yes, to others no.

All depends on where you put your value on. For me as a casual gamer who wants great 1080p performance for my 70 inch television to be able to game on my couch. I don't think so. For me as a car enthusiast, if I had a 100k, or the money to pay the lease on a S550 or some other luxury car would I? Yes. But I'm just a recent graduate trying to get a job! haha.

People just don't seem to realize that when you're talking top of the line graphics cards, you're in a luxury market where price to performance ratios are less important and speed is the only thing that starts to matter. That and whether you have the cash nvidia and AMD will demand for it. Considering luxury goods can SOMETIMES increase in demand when prices increase (people like to own the best and it's even a better feeling when others can't have it, it's not a surprise that nvidia is testing the waters to see how much people will pay for their top of the line cards.

 

[sontin]

nVidia sold more Titans in the last 3 months than GTX690s since last year:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/17/n...e-year-old-gtx-690-in-just-3-months-were-not/

 

[wand3r3r]

Interesting. Some numbers would be nice.

1000
Vs
1050

Or 10000
Vs
10500

 

[tential]

nVidia sold more Titans in the last 3 months than GTX690s since last year:
http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/05/17/n...e-year-old-gtx-690-in-just-3-months-were-not/

Again, we already know that GTX 690s and Titans make up way less than 1% of GPUs purchased. We can tell by looking at Steampowered's statistics since they keep those stats. In fact, Titan, and the GTX690 don't even show up. 2% approximately of people purchase the GTX680 and 7970. Lets not talk about the GTX 690, Titan, or 7990 when we talk about AMD and NVIDIA as companies. These cards do have nothing to do with how much money these companies are making. They're luxury cards made for .1% of gamers (estimating since so few gamers purchase them that we have very little data on it).

 

[Fx1]

Lets face it no one owns a 690 GTX. Its way overpriced and less performance than 2x680 GTX or even 2x670 GTX. Even enthusiasts dont own it. So its not surprising its selling better than the 690 GTX.

Same reason no one will buy the 7990. At least the Titan has its single GPU selling point. The 690 is what? you can use it on a $40 Mobo with only one PCI slot? Like anyone with $1000 to spare doesnt have 2 PCI slots

 

[Keysplayr]

Lets face it no one owns a 690 GTX. Its way overpriced and less performance than 2x680 GTX or even 2x670 GTX. Even enthusiasts dont own it. So its not surprising its selling better than the 690 GTX.

Same reason no one will buy the 7990. At least the Titan has its single GPU selling point. The 690 is what? you can use it on a $40 Mobo with only one PCI slot? Like anyone with $1000 to spare doesnt have 2 PCI slots

Lets face it. FX1 just actually said, out loud, that nobody owns a GTX690.
He needs a filter. Too much dirt getting into the mainframe. Don't know why he comes out with this stuff.