50+ year-old woman kills attacker in self-defense

[HAL9000]

I'm not insulting you, I'm telling you and the world how utterly contemptible and evil you are, and wishing openly that you should die horribly, suffering mightily, and cease to infect the world with your vileness. There is simply nothing good about you, and the world will be infinitely better when you depart it. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. If someone is offended by this just remember that however offended they are by my words, I am equally offended by yours.

I'll just quote that before I report it. Grow up, I'm a great person. I've said nothing evil, what you've said was evil. Out of the two of us, you are the evil person.

And those five shots can go anywhere after that potentially harming an innocent person. Center mass is always the best place to shoot an attacker because it's a large target and it will generally end the threat. Anyone with a gun should know this.

A fair point, Maybe I need to rethink where to fire warning shots.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'll just quote that before I report it.



A fair point, Maybe I need to rethink where to fire warning shots.

Knock yourself out, I won't change it. I fully mean every word. You are evil. You are ignorant. You are terrible. You should die. I'll be happy when you do. *shrug* It's not rocket science.

There is NOTHING I could say that would be as offensive as the things you have said. Nothing. You argue vehemently FOR people's abuse, rape, and murder. You ARE pure evil, every bit as bad as the criminals committing the acts we're discussing.

 

[OutHouse]

You are so deathly wrong it's sad. Your views on the value of life, like I have said many times, are fucking scary. Life is NOT THAT VALUABLE. It's incredibly cheap and easy to replace. The woman has to LIVE with the rape, she has to LIVE with those memories, she has to LIVE in a personal hell from the experience. Fuck you neckbeard, you are a fucking piece of shit. I have called you out on your bullshit of "valuing human life" you don't, you don't value shit except your sheltered closed off world you created for yourself in your own head. You dumbass delusional idiot.

I don't care if I'm banned as this is like the 30th time I'm going to get an infraction for calling him a piece of shit. You moderators know exactly how fucking stupid he is and how much bullshit he comes in here and pulls, you let it slide. If it's ok for him to come in here and repeat the same non-sense over and over and over again just to troll, then it must be completely ok for me to call him a fucking piece of shit and suggest he kills himself to do the rest of us a favor and free up some bandwidth.

damn, i have a raging chubby now!!!

 

[HAL9000]

Knock yourself out, I won't change it. I fully mean every word. You are evil. You are ignorant. You are terrible. You should die. I'll be happy when you do. *shrug* It's not rocket science.

I'm no evil, and can you stop saying I should die, it's unbelievably horrible thing to say to someone who has said nothing like that to you, I may disagree with you on morality, but it is my right, I don't deserve death for holding a different opinion.

 

[HAL9000]

There is NOTHING I could say that would be as offensive as the things you have said. Nothing. You argue vehemently FOR people's abuse, rape, and murder. You ARE pure evil, every bit as bad as the criminals committing the acts we're discussing.

I'm not arguing for that at all you've completely misunderstood what I'm saying, re-read then get back to me.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'm no evil, and can you stop saying I should die, it's unbelievably horrible thing to say to someone who has said nothing like that to you, I may disagree with you on morality, but it is my right, I don't deserve death for holding a different opinion.

Didn't people wish for Bin Laden's death? Some for George W's for stripping away the rights of a nation? It is human nature to wish for that which we perceive as evil to perish, and rightly so. It is ONLY through removal of the bad that the good can flourish.

Just because YOU don't think you're evil doesn't mean others agree with you. I think your attitude is absolutely 100% evil. I see it as a threat to mankind itself. Therefore I believe you no longer being around would be a good thing. Moreover, for the suffering you wish to inflict upon others (by demanding that they be victimized horribly by criminals), I believe you should suffer in kind.

 

[SparkyJJO]

I'm not arguing for that at all you've completely misunderstood what I'm saying, re-read then get back to me.

Then explain this:

Emotionally:

Kill the fucker

Logically:

Let the woman get raped.

Again, you are one very messed up person.

 

[HAL9000]

Didn't people wish for Bin Laden's death? Some for George W's for stripping away the rights of a nation? It is human nature to wish for that which we perceive as evil to perish, and rightly so. It is ONLY through removal of the bad that the good can flourish.

Just because YOU don't think you're evil doesn't mean others agree with you. I think your attitude is absolutely 100% evil. I see it as a threat to mankind itself. Therefore I believe you no longer being around would be a good thing. Moreover, for the suffering you wish to inflict upon others (by demanding that they be victimized horribly by criminals), I believe you should suffer in kind.

I see, so now your comparing my view that killing is morally unjustifiable except in extreme circumstances to the belief that all the western world needs exterminating, combined with the orchestration of one of the biggest terrorist attacks of modern time?

You are deluded.

 

[PrinceofWands]

I'm not arguing for that at all you've completely misunderstood what I'm saying, re-read then get back to me.

Quote:
Don't take the law into your own hands, you're not trained for such complex situations as using a gun in self-defense, leave it to the professionals
This.

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Originally Posted by Numenorean
You're right, she didn't die. This was because she used a gun to defend herself and kill a criminal. And she should be applauded for doing so.

I disagree, she shouldn't be applauded, she should be arrested.

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Originally Posted by hdfxst
I know your just trying to push people's buttons but i have to ask ,how should she have handled this?

I'd go with threatened the guy with a gun, shot him in the foot... Something like that.

Originally Posted by nick1985
No, this is my hypothetical, those are the only 2 options.

Pick one.
Emotionally:

Kill the fucker

Logically:

Let the woman get raped.

Shall I go on?

 

[HAL9000]

Then explain this:



Again, you are one very messed up person.

Logically rape (although a terrible act, a terrible crime, and a terrible thing to have to live with) is a lesser evil than killing.

Which is why IMO rapists should get lesser prison sentences than murderers.

The same as serial killers should get a harsher sentence than someone who kills in a the heat of the moment. All crimes are on a scale, with the most abhorrent crimes at the bottom moving up to jay walking at the top. I rank rape higher than killing.

Please note, I'm talking moral crimes not legal crimes.

 

[HAL9000]

Shall I go on?

Please do.

 

[Brigandier]

Logically rape (although a terrible act, a terrible crime, and a terrible thing to have to live with) is a lesser evil than killing.

Which is why IMO rapists should get lesser prison sentences than murderers.

The same as serial killers should get a harsher sentence than someone who kills in a the heat of the moment. All crimes are on a scale, with the most abhorrent crimes at the bottom moving up to jay walking at the top. I rank rape higher than killing.

Please note, I'm talking moral crimes not legal crimes.

The solution to evil is just to live with it? As long as you don't die, it could be worse?

That's a pretty shallow existence.

 

[OutHouse]

Fuck off with the insults its unbelievable pathetic, if you have such a complex about insulting people who disagree with you: see a therapist.

no insults at all just solid advice.

but here is one for you

piss off wanker. you cock sucking mother fucker piece of shit, i bet you don't have have a girlfriend, you sit at home jerking off to midget porn. go home to mummy, and let her wipe your ass, you clearly are not ready to live life without your nappy.
fucking loser.

 

[JackBurton]

Seriously guys, why the knee jerk reactions to HAL's posts? He has his views, and is not going to change them. He can deal with situations however he likes. If someone breaks into his place and draws a gun or knife on him, he can deal with it however he likes. If he wants to fire warning shots, have at it. When someone breaks into my place, I'll deal with it however I'd like. His comments will have NO impact on the choice I make on how to deal with the situation.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Logically rape (although a terrible act, a terrible crime, and a terrible thing to have to live with) is a lesser evil than killing.

Which is why IMO rapists should get lesser prison sentences than murderers.

The same as serial killers should get a harsher sentence than someone who kills in a the heat of the moment. All crimes are on a scale, with the most abhorrent crimes at the bottom moving up to jay walking at the top. I rank rape higher than killing.

Please note, I'm talking moral crimes not legal crimes.

The majority of rape incidents usually involve the victim being brutally murdered in the end.

And murderers shouldn't get prison sentences. They should be there only as long as necessary to be certain of their guilt. Then terminated. Logical and just.

Look, you try and reason your way out of a situation if you ever find yourself in one. Me, if someone comes busting in here with intent to do me or my family harm, don't expect me to try and talk him out of it. I'll do what that woman did, only I'll use something a little more powerful. I'll probably be a wreck after such an incident, and it will probably haunt me for quite some time, but I'd rather that than let some thug kill me or my family (and possibly others as well if he wasn't stopped).

 

[HAL9000]

The solution to evil is just to live with it? As long as you don't die, it could be worse?

That's a pretty shallow existence.

I'm not saying live with it, evil is an awful part of the human condition but there are evil people in the world, they need to be arrested, locked up, separated from mainstream society, but even evil people have the potential for good.

i bet you have have a girlfriend

I do, actually she's my fiancee now.

 

[OutHouse]

Which is why IMO rapists should get lesser prison sentences than murderers.

this calls for an encore.

piss off wanker. you cock sucking mother fucker piece of shit, i bet you don't have have a girlfriend, you sit at home jerking off to midget porn. go home to mummy, and let her wipe your ass, you clearly are not ready to live life without your nappy.
fucking loser.

 

[frostedflakes]

 

[Kirby]

I think HAL9000 wishes he could have been her shoes, so he could get a little rough butt fucking action.

 

[Brigandier]

I'm not saying live with it, evil is an awful part of the human condition but there are evil people in the world, they need to be arrested, locked up, separated from mainstream society, but even evil people have the potential for good.

You are saying to live with it, hell, you're advocating holding defense against ones life, because the criminal may do good.

I agree with you in being cautious about taking a life, humans should not seek confrontation. If an innocent human is faced with confrontation, their duty isn't to stand down, it's to save themselves, and how they choose to do that is a good choice. I'm glad this old broad stood up for herself, not everyone can be as lucky.

 

[HAL9000]

Seriously guys, why the knee jerk reactions to HAL's posts? He has his views, and is not going to change them. He can deal with situations however he likes. If someone breaks into his place and draws a gun or knife on him, he can deal with it however he likes. If he wants to fire warning shots, have at it. When someone breaks into my place, I'll deal with it however I'd like. His comments will have NO impact on the choice I make on how to deal with the situation.

Thank you, I'm not asking people to join arms with me and sing, while they burn their guns, I'm just expressing my opinion.

The majority of rape incidents usually involve the victim being brutally murdered in the end.

And murderers shouldn't get prison sentences. They should be there only as long as necessary to be certain of their guilt. Then terminated. Logical and just.

I'm not sure that's the case, could you provide some statistics.

We hate you

Ok guys, I think this is getting out of hand now, I accept that some of you don't like me, I accept that most of you don't agree with me, I also acknowledge that rape is a touchy subject for people who have had first hand experience with it. I'm not trying to inflame, or insult you guys, I'm just trying to talk to you. I have a right to my opinion, as you have the right to yours, I'm happy to hear what they are, but lets be civil. there is no need for all the abuse. I'm sorry if for some reason my disagreeing with you offends you, but I'm not going to change my views on life based on the offence of others.

I'm happy to continue this conversation, but please remember, I'm like you, I'm just a guy, sitting in front of his keyboard, talking about a subject with the conviction to stand up for his beliefs.

I'm not going to insult you, I see no value in it, so maybe you guys could tone down the insults on me a little as well? I'm not going anywhere regardless of how you react so all this is helping no one, not you, not me. I have feelings and while I rarely let them get effected by what happens on this thread I'm not immune. So calm down, let's talk, let's be civil, as I am with you, unless attacked.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Please do.

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Originally Posted by Gooberlx2
In a court of law, they sure don't. Consider it an occupational hazard if caught in the act by the homeowner. The intents of the laws are generally more concerned about life and limb of the homeowner than their property.

Exactly, and I don't think people should have the right to take the law into their own hands.

Quote:
Originally Posted by corwin
It most certainly can be the same thing, just because you falsely believe someone breaking into your home is "just visiting" doesn't mean we're willing to take that chance...I hope I never have to but if the time comes I won't hesitate to put them down.

Yeaaah... I don't believe that I also don't believe breaking and entering is worth death.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SlowSpyder
I don't either. But when you are involving yourself in an illegal activity that can make it appear that you are in fact a murderer, someone who has the means to defend themselves from a murderer may use those means. I would do my best to not appear as a possible rapist, murderer, etc. It isn't asking a whole lot to not break in to someone's home.

I don't think dressing up as a deer is worth death either. But if I go out in the woods wearing a dear costume and mimicing deer during hunting season, is the problem the hunter or the dumbass who went out into the woods? Don't break in to someone's home and that homeowner will not use deadly force against you because they think you are something you're not.

The problem isn't the homeowner. It's not the laws. It's the dumbass that tries to break and enter.

I agree, and people shouldn't be allowed to own the means to kill each other, as you said they get the wrong end of the stick.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joemonkey
what's a bad thing? being able to defend yourself, your family, and your property with deadly force? I guarantee you criminals are willing to use deadly force to get at you, your family or your property, so why shouldn't we be able to return the favor?

Killing is bad.

Being able to defend yourself with deadly force is bad. People shouldn't be killing each other and making it more easy for people to kill each other is bad.

etc, etc, etc.


The bottom line is that I consider preventing someone from defending themselves an evil, abusive act. I consider seeking to expose such a person to criminal charges an evil, abusive act. You may not, but that's not the question. We each judge right & wrong, good and evil for ourselves...and that includes issues of degree (ie how evil something is, or how extreme a punishment is justified). We can't ACT on those opinions within a society because we've surrendered that to gain other things. However we can still believe it, and speak of it.

 

[HAL9000]

You are saying to live with it, hell, you're advocating holding defense against ones life, because the criminal may do good.

I'm not against self defence, I'm against self defence when it takes another life, except in the most extreme circumstances, ideally a non-lethal weapon would be what I'd suggest (please don't ask what, as I know nothing about them)

I agree with you in being cautious about taking a life, humans should not seek confrontation. If an innocent human is faced with confrontation, their duty isn't to stand down, it's to save themselves, and how they choose to do that is a good choice. I'm glad this old broad stood up for herself, not everyone can be as lucky.

I agree that it is everyones duty to defend themselves, all I'm saying is that when it comes to taking a life it needs to be only in the most extreme cases, when no other course of action is available.

 

[HAL9000]

etc, etc, etc.

Please continue, I need more.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Seriously guys, why the knee jerk reactions to HAL's posts? He has his views, and is not going to change them. He can deal with situations however he likes. If someone breaks into his place and draws a gun or knife on him, he can deal with it however he likes. If he wants to fire warning shots, have at it. When someone breaks into my place, I'll deal with it however I'd like. His comments will have NO impact on the choice I make on how to deal with the situation.

Just fed up with his stupidity. He's entitled to it, but if he IS allowed to espouse opinions which are offensive to me, then I believe I should be equally entitled to espouse opinions which may be offensive to others.