4070 reviews thread

Page 20 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Rigg

Senior member
May 6, 2020
412
827
106
BTW going from 40 to 100 fps feels like MAGIC. ;)
I'm sure it does. Just remember that magic tricks are only an illusion.

274051_original.jpg
 

BFG10K

Lifer
Aug 14, 2000
22,637
2,725
126
Guys, guys, 4070 sales are totally fine. That's why just one week after release they're bundling free $100 Steam vouchers with them.


It's totally fine guys, these stores are simply doing it because they love us. Nothing to see here, yo.

BTW going from 40 to 100 fps feels like MAGIC. ;)
LMAO, just like any motion interpolating TV made in the last 15+ years. And with TVs there's no nVidia tax or vendor lock.

Reminds me of all those ray tracing "connoisseurs" telling us reflections were "groundbreaking" and "game-changing" despite games as far back as the 1990s already doing them.
 
Last edited:

Kocicak

Senior member
Jan 17, 2019
982
973
136
As someone showed, DLSS 3, aka Frame Gen, is only having to perform rasterization on 1/8th of the pixels displayed. Or something like that.
That would be the case with frame generation and DLSS Performance, which renders just a quarter of the image.

I was hoping somebody explains, why frame generation does not double the frame count you get from upscaling...

BTW I just found out, that the idle power consumption of the card with one 2560x1440 variable frequency monitor and one 60 Hz 4K monitor is 13W all the way up to 200 Hz. At 240 Hz it suddenly jumps to 18 W. What would be the reason for that?
 
Last edited:

Tup3x

Senior member
Dec 31, 2016
934
920
136
Should be slightly above but more or less.
It's interesting to see how that goes... Because overclocked 3060 Ti can be quite close to stock 3070. So pointless... 249 € max or it is a huge flop (it's a flop already with 8 GB VRAM).
 

Rigg

Senior member
May 6, 2020
412
827
106
Turning off motion flow is the first thing I have done with every new TV I have bought in the last 10+ years and now I'm supposed to turn it back on because Nvidia says so? :tearsofjoy:
If my video games get the "soap opera effect" I'm gonna be pretty angry. I want high framerate with native rendering. Nothing more and nothing less.
Yeah I agree. The "soap opera effect" is terrible. It's the first setting I change every time I set up a new TV as well. While I think DLSS and frame generation are pretty good features, I don't want to see them being used as a crutch for poorly optimized games and/or as a selling point for new overpriced GPU's. Reviewers need to be damn clear in the distinction between FPS numbers using frame generation and fully rendered FPS numbers.
 

Kocicak

Senior member
Jan 17, 2019
982
973
136
While I think DLSS and frame generation are pretty good features
Yup, they are useful for poor people who cannot afford 4090 for fully rendered gameplay.

new overpriced GPU's.
Lucky that 4070 is not overpriced at all, after inflation correction it costs the same as 2070 and 3070 and performs so well as 3080 with much lower power draw.

Reviewers need to be damn clear in the distinction between FPS numbers using frame generation and fully rendered FPS numbers.
Lucky that 4070 places in top positions of efficiency and performance per dollar charts using just fully rendered frames. Even the most dishonest reviewer has no reason to fix anything.
 
  • Like
Reactions: psolord

Heartbreaker

Diamond Member
Apr 3, 2006
4,196
5,197
136
Not quite as good as the scrub version of the 3080 much less the good 12GB version

The 12GB 3080 had something like minimum MSRP of $900, and you can get 4070 Ti for less than that, it really doesn't belong in this conversation.

As far as 3080 10GB being better, it squeaks out an miniscule lead, only at 4K.

It's also older tech, was $100 more, has 2GB less VRAM, no AV1 encoder, no DLSS 3, and consumes 50%+ more power.

I get that 4070 isn't exciting to many people, but it's NOT worse than the 3080.
 

SteveGrabowski

Diamond Member
Oct 20, 2014
6,623
5,673
136
The 12GB 3080 had something like minimum MSRP of $900, and you can get 4070 Ti for less than that, it really doesn't belong in this conversation.

As far as 3080 10GB being better, it squeaks out an miniscule lead, only at 4K.

It's also older tech, was $100 more, has 2GB less VRAM, no AV1 encoder, no DLSS 3, and consumes 50%+ more power.

I get that 4070 isn't exciting to many people, but it's NOT worse than the 3080.
3080 12GB was available at $700 from multiple retailers for a month or two if I remember right. But I was comparing the scrub version of the card that was 5% faster in that testsuite from this month anyways so don't see why you have your panties in a bunch. I was specifically talking about performance, quoting a post talking about performance. Not power draw, DLSS 3, AV1 encoder, etc.
 

Heartbreaker

Diamond Member
Apr 3, 2006
4,196
5,197
136
3080 12GB was available at $700 from multiple retailers for a month or two if I remember right.

Only when on clearance, before clearance A big deal was made of EVGA ones being available for MSRP, and the cheapest one was still over $900.


These were NOT $700 cards. They were $900+.

But I was comparing the scrub version of the card that was 5% faster in that testsuite from this month anyways so

It's only 5% at 4K, 0% at 1440P, and 4070 is 2% ahead at 1080.

That's a completely irrelevant and undetectable difference.

I was specifically talking about performance, quoting a post talking about performance. Not power draw, DLSS 3, AV1 encoder, etc.

Yes, you want to focus on one irrelevant difference, and ignore all the ways that 4070 is better, including price, power, features...
 

SteveGrabowski

Diamond Member
Oct 20, 2014
6,623
5,673
136
That's a completely irrelevant and undetectable difference.
Might as well call the 3060 Ti and 3070 the same gpu if undetectable when gaming is the standard. Fact is 3080 10GB is 5% faster at 4k in that testsuite of 20+ games. Why would I care more about lower resolutions where cpu bounds start creeping in? I wouldn't evaluate the power of gaming cpus by how they run 1440p, I'd want to see 720p results so I could eliminate the gpu as a factor as much as possible. It's not like it's a stretch testing 3080 and 4070 at 4k. Not like I'm trying to compare a 3050 to a 2060 at 4k or something.

Yes, you want to focus on one irrelevant difference, and ignore all the ways that 4070 is better, including price, power, features...
I focused on the one of the two specific things the post I quoted mentioned. You're the one bringing irrelevant data in. There is no issue with the power draw part, the issue was saying they performed the same when they don't. I know you love to constantly muddy up the waters, you have been doing it nonstop in this thread. I really hope you have a grip of Nvidia stock you're trying to protect the share price of because otherwise it's pretty pathetic the way you constantly white knight for a corporation.

Only when on clearance, before clearance A big deal was made of EVGA ones being available for MSRP, and the cheapest one was still over $900.
I specifically remember there being a few different models of 3080 12GB for $700 because I kept emailing my brother the deals I'd come across over a few weeks when he was looking for a 3080 after his 1080 Ti died. All I said was they were $700 for a month or two.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tlh97 and Cableman

Heartbreaker

Diamond Member
Apr 3, 2006
4,196
5,197
136
Might as well call the 3060 Ti and 3070 the same gpu if undetectable when gaming is the standard.

Ah no.

3070 is 10%,13%, 14% faster than 3060 Ti. That is a small difference, and you wouldn't want to pay much more than that.

But it's significantly higher than your -2%, 0%, 5% insignificant difference you are touting.


I specifically remember there being a few different models of 3080 12GB for $700 because I kept emailing my brother the deals I'd come across when he was looking for a 3080 after his 1080 Ti died.

If you emailed it you have records and don't need to go by memory...

Pretty sure you are remembering the high end RTX 3000 clearance because these were NOT $700 cards.

The base 10GB cards were the $700 cards.
 
Last edited:

SteveGrabowski

Diamond Member
Oct 20, 2014
6,623
5,673
136

SteveGrabowski

Diamond Member
Oct 20, 2014
6,623
5,673
136
Ah no. 3070 is 10%,13%, 14% faster than 3060 Ti. That's a small difference.

But it's significantly higher than your -2%, 0%, 5% insignificant difference.






If you emailed it you have records and don't need to go by memory...

Pretty sure you are remembering the high end RTX 3000 clearance because these were NOT $700 cards.

The base 10GB cards were the $700 cards.
Here we go: $687.50


EDIT: Looks like most of these specific orders might have gotten cancelled, but a few buyers said they got theirs' shipped
 

blckgrffn

Diamond Member
May 1, 2003
9,084
2,978
136
www.teamjuchems.com
FWIW, locally can I can get 3090's for like $700. 3080s are approaching $500, and a 3080ti/12GB usually splits the difference at $600 and so is a total non starter, expect you get to skip the tax. Yep, used. But are we just going to ignore their existence?

The point being a GPU is judged by how well it GPU, first and foremost. How well does it play games.

The 4070 brings a nice card to a price point where could have already had for a while now a card that games as well. Yeah, power usage, yeah DLSS3.

But how well it games? It's barely crossing the finish line in terms of how little it could do for the price.

Which is fine. Obviously nvidia wanted to extract the most value possible out of the SKU. We don't need to fake enthusiasm about it, however.

Last april is vastly different from last fall, when you could get 3090's for under $1k any day of the week, and yeah, the 3080s were cheaper than that.

Oh man, just looked at Microcenter. That $100 steam card offer does make them look $100 cheaper and they have 25+ of a couple in stock... $499 is a much more magical price IMO.

AND THE GLORY OF IN STOCK GPUS!!! $200 6600, $400 3060 ti, the deal on the 4070, 6800xt at $550, 7900XT at $760, and even a 4090 for $1600 with the same $100 steam coupon... and you could just walk in! With money! And walk out with a GPU! UNDER MSRP!!! Like the golden age of several years ago! WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!!!

lol, seriously though, it did make me happy to scroll through pages of in stock stuff.
 
Last edited:

Thunder 57

Platinum Member
Aug 19, 2007
2,640
3,695
136
Some unicorn double coupon deal doesn't make it the MSRP.

Your EVGA card link above is in my MSRP list from last April, and they were excited about it being offered at MSRP:

RTX 3080 12GB XC3 Ultra — $980

That's the MSRP.

Who cares about MSRP anymore? What are the actual cards selling for? You point out the "double coupon" listing while conveniently ignoring the $720-730 ones, after you claimed they were $900+ cards.
 

Heartbreaker

Diamond Member
Apr 3, 2006
4,196
5,197
136
Who cares about MSRP anymore? What are the actual cards selling for? You point out the "double coupon" listing while conveniently ignoring the $720-730 ones, after you claimed they were $900+ cards.

The point is they are were not $700 Cards, they had some clearance prices around that.

Even then. It's still $100 more than a 4070 at it's starting price.
 

Heartbreaker

Diamond Member
Apr 3, 2006
4,196
5,197
136
4070 vs 4070ti, is it worth the extra $200?

24% better performance for 33% more money.

Not willing to watch the video. What was his conclusion?

I think I have already seen some conclude that the gap was too large, and thus the 4070 wasn't worth it compared to the 4070 Ti. Does this one conclude the performance gap is too small and thus the 4070 Ti isn't worth it compared to the 4070? :D