4 Israelis shot dead in the West Bank

OCGuy

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Can we save this thread for when some A-hole posts the Israeli retaliation article and claims they started this round?

Hamas should be destroyed. Both the political wing and the militant wing.
 

Doboji

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Sami Abu Zuhri, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza, congratulated the attackers, saying the attack was a normal reaction to what he called "the crime of occupation."
 

Orignal Earl

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100831/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_talks

Including a pregnant woman. Hamas claims responsibility. This is what happens consistently every time peace talks begin. Hamas does not want peace... they never have, and they probably never will.

-Max

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the gunman opened fire at a vehicle traveling near Hebron — a volatile city that has been a flash point of violence in the past. Some 500 ultranationalist Jewish settlers live in heavily fortified enclaves in the city amid more than 100,000 Palestinians.

How do you feel about these settler groups, Doboji?
Do you feel they contribute anything to the violence?
 

dainthomas

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I'm waiting for European countries and the UN to issue strongly worded condemnations of this unprovoked act of violence...........
 

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Can we save this thread for when some A-hole posts the Israeli retaliation article and claims they started this round?

Hamas should be destroyed. Both the political wing and the militant wing.
Israelis started it by occupying the place.

I agree that the action was wrong and useless. It doesn't do anything against the ultranationalist, because they are extremists and won't retreat. They just give more power to them by proving that war is the only solution against them. Which is not, because this is a war that cannot be won by neither sides.
 

dahunan

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These settler groups aren't representative of any other settler groups, jews or Israelis anywhere. (Your logic, not mine.)

dont play that..

they are land thieves and you know it..

This isn't pre-civilization days.. you can't just steal land and everyone just be happy about it
 

dahunan

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I'm waiting for European countries and the UN to issue strongly worded condemnations of this unprovoked act of violence...........

Can you clearly (removing your social and cultural blinders you have been programmed with) define "unprovoked"
 
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Damn Israel for starting it. It's not as if they were ever attacked or anything like that.

And why is Hamas in the PA controlled West Bank in the first place? It couldn't be that they are trying to up-end any peace talks that could potentially resolve the situation, could it? Surely Hamas wants peace, don't they?
 

Infohawk

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dont play that..

they are land thieves and you know it..

This isn't pre-civilization days.. you can't just steal land and everyone just be happy about it

Why, people love to use that logic when a Muslim ever does anything bad. Why can't we apply it to other groups as well?
 

dahunan

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Might have upset them??
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38727852/
Israel soldier posed for photos with bound Arab
msnbc.com news services
updated 8/16/2010 4:33:37 PM ET


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"This shows the mentality of the occupier," Khatib said, "to be proud of humiliating Palestinians. The occupation is unjust, immoral and, as these pictures show, corrupting."
 

Doboji

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How do you feel about these settler groups, Doboji?
Do you feel they contribute anything to the violence?

I think they're idiots to live there... and I think they make themselves very difficult to defend. However...

If the Palestinians would stop resorting to cowardly violence, and murder as a means for expressing their political opinion, then I think 500 jews living in a Palestinian city of 100,000 would quickly become a non issue...

Regardless of how I feel about settlements... one thing is very very clear here... murdering these people was a cowardly terrorist act. The rest is academic debate.
 

dahunan

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I can post pictures too a-hole. And clearly that picture means Israelis everywhere shall be gunned down... after all those damn jews asked for it.


Biased much? hahahahah.. in your face... << is that how to discuss stuff around here?

I guess you will never be willing to look in the middle of the conflict... but thats ok.. not my goal to convince you of anything

FWIW.. The Zionists KNEW exactly what they were doing when they mass migrated to this mythical lump of dirt they call holy land

Reverse the roles if you have any heart... dump millions of people in your backyard and see if you feel any different when they start calling you dirty names and abusing you and killing you when they want more land etc
 

Doboji

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Biased much? hahahahah.. in your face... << is that how to discuss stuff around here?

I guess you will never be willing to look in the middle of the conflict... but thats ok.. not my goal to convince you of anything

FWIW.. The Zionists KNEW exactly what they were doing when they mass migrated to this mythical lump of dirt they call holy land

Reverse the roles if you have any heart... dump millions of people in your backyard and see if you feel any different when they start calling you dirty names and abusing you and killing you when they want more land etc

You're the one trolling here... this thread is about a specific news event... you decided to defecate all over the thread with your unrelated imagery. I suppose your argument is that those 4 people deserved to die because of that picture you posted? You're a sad sad troll...
 

Orignal Earl

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If the Palestinians would stop resorting to cowardly violence, and murder as a means for expressing their political opinion, then I think 500 jews living in a Palestinian city of 100,000 would quickly become a non issue...

Regardless of how I feel about settlements... one thing is very very clear here... murdering these people was a cowardly terrorist act. The rest is academic debate.

It's a never ending cycle isn't it. Settlers attack and kill Pals, Pals attack and kill Settlers,Settlers attack and kill Pals.
I don't any end to it either, these people have voting power, and will get the backing or gridlock they need to keep this going forever.

Tolerating settlers&#8217; violence against Palestinians contradicts Israel&#8217;s claim that it upholds the rule of law.
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=185198

When Settlers Attack....Today (And Everyday) In The West Bank
http://www.countercurrents.org/yousef190810.htm

Israeli settlers kill Palestinian boy
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_world_story_skin/599031

It's all just too sad.
 

Orignal Earl

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You're the one trolling here... this thread is about a specific news event... you decided to defecate all over the thread with your unrelated imagery. I suppose your argument is that those 4 people deserved to die because of that picture you posted? You're a sad sad troll...

Oh, I didn't see that before I posted.
Sorry, if you just want to focus on this event, then I won't post anymore.

edit- after I respond to infohawk ;)
 
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JEDIYoda

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Again let me say those of you wgo believe that hamas wants what is best for the Palestinians are just plain idiots!!
Hamas took responsibility for this attack and the people gathered to celebrate this unwarranted attack of 4..make it 5 individuals -- one who was pregenant!!

I will say this one more time there will never be peace as long as we have groups like Hamas and other groups who want Israel to just go away!!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100831/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_talks

JERUSALEM – Palestinian gunmen opened fire Tuesday on an Israeli car in the West Bank and killed four passengers on the eve of a new round of Mideast peace talks in Washington. The Islamic militant group Hamas claimed responsibility.

Assailants firing from a passing car riddled the vehicle with bullets as it traveled near Hebron — a volatile city that has been a flash point of violence in the past. Some 500 ultranationalist Jewish settlers live in heavily fortified enclaves in the city amid more than 100,000 Palestinians.

One of the victims was pregnant, said police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld. Israel's national rescue service said the victims were two men and two women, and Israeli media said everyone in the car was killed.

Video broadcast live on Israel TV late Tuesday showed a white Subaru station wagon standing at an angle at the side of a road, its windows shot out and its doors dotted with bullet holes. The car was flanked by army and police vehicles and dozens of soldiers.

The attackers fled and Israeli forces set up roadblocks and carried out searches to try to catch them.

About 3,000 people joined a rally in Gaza to celebrate the attack. Hamas military wing spokesman Abu Obeida was among them and told The Associated Press: "The Qassam Brigades announces its full responsibility for the heroic operation in Hebron."
Upon arriving in Washington for this week's talks, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu condemned the attack and said "terror will not determine Israel's borders or the future of the settlements." Borders and the fate of Jewish settlements on land Palestinians want for a future state are key issues in the negotiations.

President Barack Obama hopes to forge a peace agreement within one year.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was already in Washington meeting with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton when the attack took place.

Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad's office issued a statement charging the attack was aimed at undermining his government's effort to build international support for "the Palestinian position and ending the (Israeli) occupation."

Hamas, a fierce rival of the Western-backed Palestinian president, expelled Abbas' forces from Gaza in 2007 and took over the territory. Abbas has been trying to limit the Islamic militants' reach in the West Bank, jailing activists and even cracking down on mosque preachers.


Hamas, responsible for dozens of suicide bombings in Israel, is considered a terrorist group by the U.S., Israel and European Union.

Asked about the shooting, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said the U.S. is aware "there are those who will do whatever they can to disrupt or derail the process."

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak promised a tough response to an attack he said was aimed at sabotaging the talks.

"Israel will not allow terrorists to raise their heads and will exact a price from the murderers and those who send them," he said in a statement.

U.N. envoy Robert Serry issued a statement condemning the attack and urging all parties "not to allow the enemies of peace to affect the negotiations about to be launched."

There is widespread opposition to the resumption of the peace talks among Palestinians. Hamas opposes any contact with Israel and has harshly criticized Abbas for agreeing to resume the negotiations.

Opposition to resuming talks is also coming from within the Palestine Liberation Organization, an umbrella group headed by Abbas. Some Fatah activists threaten to try to depose him if he makes concessions, and several hard-line PLO groups plan a demonstration in the West Bank administrative capital of Ramallah on Wednesday to protest resumption of negotiations.

Netanyahu also faces some domestic opposition from elements of his hard-line coalition of religious and nationalist parties. He has said that protecting Israel's security interests will be his top priority in the talks.

Heading into a meeting with Clinton, Netanyahu said in the statement he would tell her, "This criminal murder proves again the need to stand firmly on Israel's stringent security demands, and there will be no compromise on them."

The attack disrupted a relative lull in the West Bank. The last fatal attack occurred in June, when Palestinians opened fire on a police vehicle near Hebron and killed one officer.

It was the deadliest Palestinian attack against Israelis since March 2008, when a lone assailant gunned down eight students in a Jerusalem rabbinical seminary.

A previous U.S. launching of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks was also accompanied by deadly violence. Palestinian gunmen shot and killed an Israeli in the West Bank before then-President George W. Bush convened Israeli and Palestinian leaders for a summit in Annapolis, Maryland, in November 2007. The gunmen said the attack was "an act of protest against the Annapolis conference."

Talking to reporters on his plane heading for Washington, Abbas called for decisive American involvement in the talks.

He said that if the two sides reach a deadlock, the Obama administration should "present bridging proposals to bridge the gap between the two positions."

In one major challenge to the first direct talks between the sides in two years, Abbas warned it would be difficult to continue negotiating if Israel fails to extend a 10-month curb on West Bank settlement construction that ends in late September. Netanyahu has not made a final decision.