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in a previous post, i mentioned the new prius goes 25miles on battery then rest on gas engine.But, in reality, most people don't drive hours & hours & hours a day, so it's mostly a non-issue.
Right now, it makes a lot of sense for most families to have an electric "town" car & then an ICE "trip" car.
running the A/C kills them,
It is not just range. It is the speed of re-fueling and the availability of locations at which to do it. 300 mile range would be fine if you could pull off almost anywhere and fill up in a few minutes, like you can do with ICE vehicles.I think 400 is important number. You need electric cars with 400, 500, and 600 mile ranges since there are ICE vehicles with those ranges. If you want to convince everyone to switch, you have to give them reasons to switch. Range is important for lot of people.
Dang @Aikouka , you have weird problems, haha. I have had my model 3 LR RWD for a little over a year now, no major issues.
Regarding range, I get about what is listed. If I go on a 200 mile drive, I use about 230~ miles of range. Too be fair, I get about 210 wh/m. If you go above 65/70MPH, you really use up some juice. For reference, my rav4 hybrid does the same thing, this phenomenon is not just for EV's. You go faster then 65~ you end up getting worse MPG on the rav4 too. It'll start out with 400 miles on a tank, but quickly it will only go about 330 miles on a full tank driving this way.
I have EAP, and am considering paying the $3,000 to upgrade to FSD, so I can get the HW3 computer and whatever new features come out as part of FSD. But oddly enough, I rarely use TACC, NoA, or any of the other EAP features. I figured it would be better to have HW3 if I decide to sell it, then to have HW2.5 and no FSD.
It is not just range. It is the speed of re-fueling and the availability of locations at which to do it. 300 mile range would be fine if you could pull off almost anywhere and fill up in a few minutes, like you can do with ICE vehicles.
Tesla ranks dead last in annual quality survey
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The Initial Quality Study, now in its 34th year, measures vehicle quality for the first 90 days of ownership and found that Teslas suffered 250 problems per 100 vehicles reported by buyers
Brand | Q1 2020 | Q1 2019 | Change |
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Tesla | 52,800 | 30,600 | 72.5 |
Lincoln | 25,562 | 24,874 | 2.8 |
Ram | 140,486 | 137,013 | 2.5 |
Kia | 137,945 | 136,596 | 1.0 |
Maserati | 0 | 0 | 0.0 |
Mercedes-Benz | 75,265 | 78,667 | -4.3 |
Mazda | 67,670 | 70,831 | -4.5 |
Chevrolet | 429,529 | 451,742 | -4.9 |
Chrysler | 29,945 | 31,591 | -5.2 |
GMC | 118,718 | 125,579 | -5.5 |
Genesis | 3,955 | 4,203 | -5.9 |
Toyota | 439,402 | 476,925 | -7.9 |
Hyundai | 130,875 | 147,585 | -11.3 |
Volvo | 19,485 | 22,058 | -11.7 |
Ford | 489,051 | 557,884 | -12.3 |
Volkswagen | 75,065 | 85,872 | -12.6 |
Alfa Romeo | 3,702 | 4,286 | -13.6 |
Audi | 41,371 | 48,115 | -14.0 |
Jeep | 182,667 | 212,804 | -14.2 |
Mitsubishi | 35,563 | 42,070 | -15.5 |
Lexus | 56,345 | 66,791 | -15.6 |
Cadillac | 30,323 | 35,996 | -15.8 |
BMW | 62,152 | 73,888 | -15.9 |
Subaru | 130,591 | 156,754 | -16.7 |
Honda | 270,253 | 333,402 | -18.9 |
Dodge | 88,656 | 110,517 | -19.8 |
Porsche | 11,984 | 15,024 | -20.2 |
Acura | 28,531 | 36,385 | -21.6 |
Infiniti | 25,556 | 34,315 | -25.5 |
Nissan | 232,048 | 331,536 | -30.0 |
Buick | 33,870 | 51,865 | -34.7 |
Mini | 5,236 | 8,905 | -41.2 |
Fiat | 1,128 | 2,214 | -49.1 |
Jaguar | 0 | 10,222 | -100.0 |
Land Rover | 0 | 25,028 | -100.0 |
Smart | 0 | 231 | -100.0 |
Interesting chart, and though it looks good for Tesla, their entire 2019 units shipped was less than the 12 points Ford slipped. Tesla is doing well, but they're still a very minor player in the industry.JD Power is a paid shill of a entity used by stock bears to spew out when they wanna manipulate the stock.
JD Power is paid by companies to do "surveys" for them = the crap they write. That simply explains it all.
Even Cramer who had recently turned colors says it is stupid
https://www.thestreet.com/video/jim-cramer-ignore-j-d-power-survey-teslas-great
Laura Kolodny had contibuted to the article, who is known to be a blind tool used by Tesla bears for years.
Finally, jd power ranks Chevy Sonic as highest of any car in the world on initial quality.
Now, this actually has not been publicized too widely:
Brand Q1 2020 Q1 2019 Change Tesla 52,800 30,600 72.5 Lincoln 25,562 24,874 2.8 Ram 140,486 137,013 2.5 Kia 137,945 136,596 1.0 Maserati 0 0 0.0 Mercedes-Benz 75,265 78,667 -4.3 Mazda 67,670 70,831 -4.5 Chevrolet 429,529 451,742 -4.9 Chrysler 29,945 31,591 -5.2 GMC 118,718 125,579 -5.5 Genesis 3,955 4,203 -5.9 Toyota 439,402 476,925 -7.9 Hyundai 130,875 147,585 -11.3 Volvo 19,485 22,058 -11.7 Ford 489,051 557,884 -12.3 Volkswagen 75,065 85,872 -12.6 Alfa Romeo 3,702 4,286 -13.6 Audi 41,371 48,115 -14.0 Jeep 182,667 212,804 -14.2 Mitsubishi 35,563 42,070 -15.5 Lexus 56,345 66,791 -15.6 Cadillac 30,323 35,996 -15.8 BMW 62,152 73,888 -15.9 Subaru 130,591 156,754 -16.7 Honda 270,253 333,402 -18.9 Dodge 88,656 110,517 -19.8 Porsche 11,984 15,024 -20.2 Acura 28,531 36,385 -21.6 Infiniti 25,556 34,315 -25.5 Nissan 232,048 331,536 -30.0 Buick 33,870 51,865 -34.7 Mini 5,236 8,905 -41.2 Fiat 1,128 2,214 -49.1 Jaguar 0 10,222 -100.0 Land Rover 0 25,028 -100.0 Smart 0 231 -100.0
Source:
2020 US Auto Sales Figures – By Brand (Brand Rankings)
Automotive Sales Data and Statisticswww.goodcarbadcar.net
and the good part is that this is just the beginning of the change.
Feel free to quote this in death of ice vehicle thread too.
There is other data showing that Tesla reliability is average at best. For instance, Consumer Reports rates 2 models as average, one model as worse than ave and one model much worse. One should expect more in what is usually a 50k+ vehicle.
Yea, Tesla is certainly an objective analyst talking about somebody that rates their cars poorly.Consumer Reports has fallen into similar category as JBP, according to many, many people who have a clue and don't read anything blindly because "there is..."
Do your own research, if you really care about the actual truth what Tesla cars bring to the table.
Meanwhile, I find this interesting, how reliable others think CR is.
Consumer Reports- is anyone else seeing the bipolar pattern here?
Consumer Reports reverses itself again, no longer recommends Tesla Model 3.forums.tesla.com
One of the posts from there is quite intersting:
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Fortytwo | February 21, 2019
CR includes things like fit and finish in their definition of “reliability.” CR admits use of “brand history and the reliability of similar models that may share major components in calculating our predictions.” Furthermore, data is based on surveys of CR members, so reporting bias and sampling biases are significant shortcomings of their methodology. It is not clear that they verified the respondents actually own the cars for which they are answering survey questions; and, if so, that model 3 owners were responding to questions based on experience with earlier vs later software versions, predominantly early VIN #s, etc., and what proportion of reported negatives actually impact drivability & safety. It’s a leap of faith to think 500 survey respondents represent the experiences of >200K (Bloomberg VIN tracker) model 3 owners (0.25%). I’d select a car that is otherwise reliable in the strict sense but might have greater likelihood of trim alignment off by 0.1 mm and a paint blemish or annoying software quirks that can be fixed with software updates over a car model that might have issues with timing belts or potential for leaky fuel injection systems or such.
Do read the others too. So, while "there is" such a survey all points out to it being rigged.
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Tesla released a pretty good update the other day for the Model 3. Some of the features of note are...
- The rear-view camera now includes footage from the side repeaters to increase the overall field of view.
To be honest, it's hard to tell the difference as I can't really see side-by-side footage. Although, I just thought of an interesting test... seeing what it looks like if I leave the trunk up and put it into reverse. Theoretically, I should see an upwards view from the rear-view camera merged with proper rear footage from the repeaters.
Second generation Chevrolet Volt (2016 and newer) can go 50+ miles on electric, if I recall correctly.in a previous post, i mentioned the new prius goes 25miles on battery then rest on gas engine.
but thats waaaaay too short of a range.
what other hybrids go on electric then gas when the batteries are used up?
and how many miles?
also, do the batteries recharge when running on gas?
That's not how the update works. It's not intuitive but you have to drag the rear camera view all the way up and then you get two more boxes on the lower 1/3 that show the side repeaters. I thought mine didn't update properly but had to screw with it to display.
Oh, there was one inadvertent(?) negative aspect to the latest update... I lost all of my USB music favorites. Not a huge deal, and in some ways it lets me refresh the list, but a little annoying nonetheless.
Although, I have been looking into the Jeda USB hub for the car. Does anyone have one?
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. I kept looking at it wondering why it didn't look right.
I don't know if there's a way to do this now, but I wish they'd let you look at the patch notes on your phone instead of in the car. I mean... I'm sure I can find them online somewhere, but it would be nice to have time to read over them as I'm usually trying to go somewhere when I get in the car.
I have the Jeda hub - it's nice.
I've been tempted to pick one up after the other day when I wanted to charge a device, but had to deal with how my USB ports are taken up. (I have a separate music drive and dash-cam drive.) I saw a cheaper option on Amazon, but apparently, it doesn't have a USB hub built in, which limits you to a single, external data device (and one on the inside). This just means if you want to play a game on the car with controllers, you have to hook up another hub to your hub.
It would also be nice to have the wireless charging pad, but that's a bit of a steeper cost for something that isn't that necessary.
Oh, and do you use an SSD or thumb drive for your recordings? I've seen people using external SSDs or just internal SSDs with USB adapters. I've got some smaller SSDs lying around (~250GB), so that's a rather tempting option!
I use a Samsung T5 SSD.