2nd Stimulus Bipartisan Bill Introduced

[ch33zw1z]

lol, funny how the GA race is questionable and now the appeal to plebs means something. Months spent telling plebs to GFY, now it's something to take action over. Oh well, guess "better late than never" works here.

 

[K1052]

Odds are it is amended with some poison pill like an ACA repeal or something else dumb.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Fwiw, not everyone even had government (civics) classes. I think it should be part of the core curriculum.

I had one but it was worthless. I remember remarking how stupid the electoral college was and the teacher's answer was well the electoral college and popular vote always agree anyways.

 

[Amused]

McConnell blocks Senate Democrats’ initial attempt to approve $2,000 stimulus checks amid growing pressure on GOP leader to act

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/stimulus-checks-senate/2020/12/29/344fa850-49d9-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.html

 

[hal2kilo]

McConnell blocks Senate Democrats’ initial attempt to approve $2,000 stimulus checks amid growing pressure on GOP leader to act

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/stimulus-checks-senate/2020/12/29/344fa850-49d9-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.html

Why do to today, what you can bloviate on, and vote at the last possible microsecond. Your Senate in action.

 

[ElFenix]

for months: "we cannot pass the house approved bill because it is loaded with items unrelated to COVID relief."


today: "we will only consider passing this COVID relief bill if it is loaded with items unrelated to COVID relief."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1343971804063412229

 

[manly]

McConnell blocks Senate Democrats’ initial attempt to approve $2,000 stimulus checks amid growing pressure on GOP leader to act

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/stimulus-checks-senate/2020/12/29/344fa850-49d9-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.html

I still doubt that Mitch allows a floor vote, but we know one thing about the snake. If he thinks this helps the GA Senate contests and thus his chances to cling to power, he'll work behind the scenes on securing the votes. They're up slightly in the GA polls with a lot of early voting already done, so I doubt this ultimately goes anywhere.

 

[ElFenix]

these two "senators" from georgia are some of the most corrupt, lyingest sons-a-bitches to ever hold the position:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1343970614336319492

https://twitter.com/x/status/1343968046717820928

 

[hal2kilo]

these two "senators" from georgia are some of the most corrupt, lyingest sons-a-bitches to ever hold the position:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1343970614336319492

https://twitter.com/x/status/1343968046717820928

Works for Trump, lying is acceptable "Bothsides" behavior don't you know.

 

[StinkyPinky]

McConnell is so heartless you could probably fit two hearts in his chest cavity. Screw that guy.

 

[ponyo]

these two "senators" from georgia are some of the most corrupt, lyingest sons-a-bitches to ever hold the position:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1343970614336319492

https://twitter.com/x/status/1343968046717820928

lol. I've come across my share of people like this during business and it's amazing to watch. I find it hilarious the defense the Reps are playing after Trump sabotaged them with the $2k proposal. He really screwed Perdue and Loeffler with that $2k direct payment talk. If the Dems can't take advantage of this and win, they might as well just give up.

 

[ElFenix]

lol. I've come across my share of people like this during business and it's amazing to watch. I find it hilarious the defense the Reps are playing after Trump sabotaged them with the $2k proposal. He really screwed Perdue and Loeffler with that $2k direct payment talk. If the Dems can't take advantage of this and win, they might as well just give up.

if there's one thing you can count on in american politics it's the democrats squandering advantage.

dems: it's over republicans, i have the high ground!
reps: you underestimate my power
*reps do a backflip but not really*
*the crowd goes wild*
*russian judge scores it a 10*
dems: fuck!

 

[fskimospy]

if there's one thing you can count on in american politics it's the democrats squandering advantage.

dems: it's over republicans, i have the high ground!
reps: you underestimate my power
*reps do a backflip but not really*
*the crowd goes wild*
*russian judge scores it a 10*
dems: fuck!

What should democrats be doing right now that they aren’t doing?

I see this criticism of the Democrats a lot but rarely do I see a plan that really sounds preferable. Often people say they should do things they are already doing.

The main issue here is that we are a closely divided country where few people actually make choices based on issues and instead vote tribally. When you combine geographic advantages, gerrymandering, etc. you get a situation where Democrats need to not just win, but win big, over and over. This is really hard!

 

[sactoking]

I don't recall, is the new proposal $2000/600 for adults/dependents or $2000 straight across?

 

[hal2kilo]

Wow, Thune was all worked up on CNN. You know he's soo principled when it comes to the taxpayers money. He can't stand that the money is not directed. There's 2 income federal workers getting $2000 a piece that have never lost income. Yet, who knows how many undeserving PPP recipient companies there were.
Guess, what, I don't get any either (retired). I don't friggin care as I been able to stay home as much as possible and am comfortably paying my bills. Stop with using the perfect to throw out the good.

 

[ElFenix]

What should democrats be doing right now that they aren’t doing?

maybe they haven't squandered the advantage yet. they almost did when chuck was against the $2000 before he was for it. needs to change his prescription.

 

[fskimospy]

Wow, Thune was all worked up on CNN. You know he's soo principled when it comes to the taxpayers money. He can't stand that the money is not directed. There's 2 income federal workers getting $2000 a piece that have never lost income. Yet, who knows how many undeserving PPP recipient companies there were.
Guess, what, I don't get any either (retired). I don't friggin care as I been able to stay home as much as possible and am comfortably paying my bills. Stop with using the perfect to throw out the good.

‘We might help someone who doesn’t need it, therefore we should help no one’ is...uhmmm, one way to look at it.

 

[ElFenix]

‘We might help someone who doesn’t need it, therefore we should help no one’ is...uhmmm, one way to look at it.

that's been the republican playbook on any assistance to the poors since the late 70s. since you couldn't just deny black people assistance for dodgy reasons like "there's photos of a man in the house" they had to amplify shit about welfare queens and abusers to justify cutting the system. "we need to privatize medicare because there's abusers that we can't find because we don't fund policing enough and then we vote the biggest abuser ever into the senate!"

 

[fskimospy]

maybe they haven't squandered the advantage yet. they almost did when chuck was against the $2000 before he was for it. needs to change his prescription.

I mean who knows, but I personally think the chances of $2,000 checks are very low.

The primary motivating purpose of Republicans in government is to prevent the government from transferring money to poor people. That’s why they come to work every day. The only reason this has even the slightest chance is that Republicans are concerned they might lose the ability to block sending even more money to poor people in the future.

To me the most likely answer is what is already being speculated - McConnell adds on a bunch of extra conditions no one wants and then the bill fails with both sides blaming each other. Then Republicans can get what they really want (no money for poors) while pretending they did. The media is at its most comfortable when it’s able to #bothsides something do they will enthusiastically jump into this.

I’m sure the Democrats are aware of this but I’m not really sure what they can do about it.

 

[hal2kilo]

Got to help out those poor frackers. Right Teddy.

Ted Cruz defends push to help his wealthy political donors get pandemic relief money | Salon.com

Shameless to the core, all of them.

Oh damn. Here comes.....I'll save my prediction.

 

[Amused]

McConnell is going to tie the $2000 check deal with a bill ending the internet liability protections of Section 230.

This will end Democratic support and enable McConnell to spin this as the Democrats killing the bill.

 

[fskimospy]

McConnell is going to tie the $2000 check deal with a bill ending the internet liability protections of Section 230.

This will end Democratic support and enable McConnell to spin this as the Democrats killing the bill.

Yup, this is the most likely answer. What’s especially nice about this is there’s no way Republicans actually want to end section 230. (No sane person should) They just really, really don’t want poor people to have money and so they are willing to engage in brinksmanship like this.

What would be kind of fun is to call their bluff - get the $2,000 checks and then when conservatives are mass banned, Facebook and Twitter shut down in the US, etc. offer to reinstate it.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

McConnell is going to tie the $2000 check deal with a bill ending the internet liability protections of Section 230.

This will end Democratic support and enable McConnell to spin this as the Democrats killing the bill.

Democrats have actually voiced some favorably with revoking 230.

They were the ones complaining that republican misinformation is rampant on the platforms and that they need to be held accountable. How do you think that occurs?



Anyhow, that hasnt yet been confirmed or hinted at.

 

[fskimospy]

Democrats have actually voiced some favorably with revoking 230.

They were the ones complaining that republican misinformation is rampant on the platforms and that they need to be held accountable. How do you think that occurs?

Anyhow, that hasnt yet been confirmed or hinted at.

That can occur in one of a hundred ways other than tort liability.

 

[ElFenix]

Then Republicans can get what they really want (no money for poors) while pretending they did.

which is the failed backflip

The media is at its most comfortable when it’s able to #bothsides something do they will enthusiastically jump into this.

which is the crowd going wild

I’m sure the Democrats are aware of this but I’m not really sure what they can do about it.

need to be hammering loeffler and perdue's bullshit fake claim to be for it while mcconnell gives them cover (which is what they've been doing for ages, mcconnell is safe as can be there in kentucky so is able to give a few republican senators the ability to furrow their brows and pretend to be concerned about something and claim well i would but we didn't have the votes - when this doesn't pass josh hawley is going on his fake hayseed tour in 2022 to iowa talking about how he supported it blah blah)