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26001 pound truck vs guy on a bicyle

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: Sea Moose

Dont play chicken with traffic and you wont get hurt... simple as that
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I expected something idiotic from you, but this just doesn't even make sense. Riding in the lane is not equivalent to playing chicken in any sense of the word.
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Going your shit slow speed in a car lane, while cars are doing 55mph plus is playing chicken in traffic. I you listen to the morning radio you will hear in the traffic report car and bike collision.

The natural order of things

Truck > Car > motorbike > Bike


Bikes do not pay registration, they do not contribute to road maintenance and costs. They are the freeloaders of the road.
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: arcenite
Safeway disagrees with you, since he's willing to point a gun at someone who confronts him about taking up a lane.
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Never said I would kill them, and never said it was merely a confrontation.

I said that I would pull my gun on someone that would be aggressive and stupid enough to get out of his vehicle and inform me what type of violent acts he wanted to commit while walking towards me.

That is what you call immediate apprehension and fear of injury. I am more than justified in brandishing my weapon and using it if necessary.
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You're not justified in pulling a gun on someone just because they get out of their car and tell you to get off the road.

Edit: To quote you directly "The next time a driver gets out of his vehicle at a stoplight to tell me what i should be doing instead of riding my bicycle on city streets, I am going to pull out my gun and point it square at his fucking face, imagining it was you, and watch the fucker piss and shit his pants, begging me to not end his worthless existence. "

You didn't say anything about "violent acts" committed towards you. You sound like a very irresponsible gun owner, your attitude is what gives us responsible gun owners a bad name.
 
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: arcenite

Safeway disagrees with you, since he's willing to point a gun at someone who confronts him about taking up a lane.
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I don't care if Safeway disagrees with me, but just for the record you seem to be sensationalizing something he said.
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Say what? You don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on killing them.
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
The person that hit the group of riders should be killed. People that think that is cool should be killed.

And Lycra is very important on long, consistent rides. It is all about comfort and anti-chaffing.
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you dont think that the bikes are at fault for taking up the entire road?

Lycra is for guys who cant admit somthing...
 
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: arcenite
Safeway disagrees with you, since he's willing to point a gun at someone who confronts him about taking up a lane.
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Never said I would kill them, and never said it was merely a confrontation.

I said that I would pull my gun on someone that would be aggressive and stupid enough to get out of his vehicle and inform me what type of violent acts he wanted to commit while walking towards me.

That is what you call immediate apprehension and fear of injury. I am more than justified in brandishing my weapon and using it if necessary.
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I thought the rule of guns was, you never pointed unless you planned on using it?
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Except that when in immediate apprehension, you are only allowed to protect yourself to the extent necessary. If he pulled a knife out and walked towards me, I could kill him. If the gun was used as a defense to dissolve the situation, it would also be allowed.

But now that I think about it, since I am in Texas, I can use deadly force to protect my property. My bicycle is property. If a road raging motorist decided to trash my bike, i could kill him. I don't think killing a person over property is right, so I would just brandish the pistol to end the situation.
 
If you want to ride on the road you should expect to be treated like everyone else on the road; you know, the ones in cars?

If a car is doing less than the speed limit or anything else that inconveniences other drivers, it is likely that they will get honked at and cause aggressiveness in other drivers. Why should a cyclist expect any more or less?
 
I always rode on the sidewalk when I was younger and rode my bike. I didn't ever think it was illegal until I came to ATOT years later. 😕 Come to think of I don't even know if it is in my city or state.

I hate it when bicyclists ride in the middle of the road, they get in the way and I am afraid of hitting them. Good thing I rarely run into them.

 
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: arcenite

Safeway disagrees with you, since he's willing to point a gun at someone who confronts him about taking up a lane.
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I don't care if Safeway disagrees with me, but just for the record you seem to be sensationalizing something he said.
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Say what? You don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on killing them.
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That's correct. You'll also get locked up for pulling a gun on someone that is doing nothing but yelling at you and telling you to get off the road.
 
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: arcenite

Safeway disagrees with you, since he's willing to point a gun at someone who confronts him about taking up a lane.
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I don't care if Safeway disagrees with me, but just for the record you seem to be sensationalizing something he said.
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Say what? You don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on killing them.
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That's a pretty ridiculous point of view. I'd have no problem pointing a gun at someone, with no intention of killing them, just to get them to stop whatever it is they are doing that could become a problem. If someone showed up at my door at 3AM and looked even slightly suspicious, I'd bring my shotgun with me and have it close enough to "pointed at them" to be effective if I needed it. I know this is different than what he was talking about but it illustrates the point. You have no idea how pissed off people are in their cars until you've had one come at you. A guy hit me one time and got out of his car ready to pick a fight because he was angry for whatever reason. I grabbed a wrench from the attached pocket under my seat ready to crush his fucking skull if he attacked me. No different to me than pointing a gun at him to get him to calm down.
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: arcenite
Safeway disagrees with you, since he's willing to point a gun at someone who confronts him about taking up a lane.
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Never said I would kill them, and never said it was merely a confrontation.

I said that I would pull my gun on someone that would be aggressive and stupid enough to get out of his vehicle and inform me what type of violent acts he wanted to commit while walking towards me.

That is what you call immediate apprehension and fear of injury. I am more than justified in brandishing my weapon and using it if necessary.
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I thought the rule of guns was, you never pointed unless you planned on using it?
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Except that when in immediate apprehension, you are only allowed to protect yourself to the extent necessary. If he pulled a knife out and walked towards me, I could kill him. If the gun was used as a defense to dissolve the situation, it would also be allowed.

But now that I think about it, since I am in Texas, I can use deadly force to protect my property. My bicycle is property. If a road raging motorist decided to trash my bike, i could kill him. I don't think killing a person over property is right, so I would just brandish the pistol to end the situation.
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Hahaa you wear lycra in texas? i am surprised that you havent been gay bashed already for wearing lycra!
 
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: Safeway
Originally posted by: arcenite
Safeway disagrees with you, since he's willing to point a gun at someone who confronts him about taking up a lane.
Click to expand...

Never said I would kill them, and never said it was merely a confrontation.

I said that I would pull my gun on someone that would be aggressive and stupid enough to get out of his vehicle and inform me what type of violent acts he wanted to commit while walking towards me.

That is what you call immediate apprehension and fear of injury. I am more than justified in brandishing my weapon and using it if necessary.
Click to expand...

I thought the rule of guns was, you never pointed unless you planned on using it?
Click to expand...

Except that when in immediate apprehension, you are only allowed to protect yourself to the extent necessary. If he pulled a knife out and walked towards me, I could kill him. If the gun was used as a defense to dissolve the situation, it would also be allowed.

But now that I think about it, since I am in Texas, I can use deadly force to protect my property. My bicycle is property. If a road raging motorist decided to trash my bike, i could kill him. I don't think killing a person over property is right, so I would just brandish the pistol to end the situation.
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The next time a driver gets out of his vehicle at a stoplight to tell me what i should be doing instead of riding my bicycle on city streets, I am going to pull out my gun and point it square at his fucking face, imagining it was you, and watch the fucker piss and shit his pants, begging me to not end his worthless existence.
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So... at one point in the scenario you mentioned, do you see a need to use your weapon?
 
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: arcenite

Safeway disagrees with you, since he's willing to point a gun at someone who confronts him about taking up a lane.
Click to expand...

I don't care if Safeway disagrees with me, but just for the record you seem to be sensationalizing something he said.
Click to expand...

Say what? You don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on killing them.
Click to expand...

That's a pretty ridiculous point of view. I'd have no problem pointing a gun at someone, with no intention of killing them, just to get them to stop whatever it is they are doing that could become a problem. If someone showed up at my door at 3AM and looked even slightly suspicious, I'd bring my shotgun with me and have it close enough to "pointed at them" to be effective if I needed it. I know this is different than what he was talking about but it illustrates the point. You have no idea how pissed off people are in their cars until you've had one come at you. A guy hit me one time and got out of his car ready to pick a fight because he was angry for whatever reason. I grabbed a wrench from the attached pocket under my seat ready to crush his fucking skull if he attacked me. No different to me than pointing a gun at him to get him to calm down.
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Wrong, you don't point a gun at someone unless you're prepared to pull the trigger. That's a great way to get yourself disarmed and killed with your own gun.
 
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
Originally posted by: arcenite

Safeway disagrees with you, since he's willing to point a gun at someone who confronts him about taking up a lane.
Click to expand...

I don't care if Safeway disagrees with me, but just for the record you seem to be sensationalizing something he said.
Click to expand...

Say what? You don't point a gun at someone unless you plan on killing them.
Click to expand...

That's a pretty ridiculous point of view. I'd have no problem pointing a gun at someone, with no intention of killing them, just to get them to stop whatever it is they are doing that could become a problem. If someone showed up at my door at 3AM and looked even slightly suspicious, I'd bring my shotgun with me and have it close enough to "pointed at them" to be effective if I needed it. I know this is different than what he was talking about but it illustrates the point. You have no idea how pissed off people are in their cars until you've had one come at you. A guy hit me one time and got out of his car ready to pick a fight because he was angry for whatever reason. I grabbed a wrench from the attached pocket under my seat ready to crush his fucking skull if he attacked me. No different to me than pointing a gun at him to get him to calm down.
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You better be prepared to use your weapon if he continues moving forward, is my point.
 
We're arguing about guns because safeway ignored this post:

If you want to ride on the road you should expect to be treated like everyone else on the road; you know, the ones in cars?

If a car is doing less than the speed limit or anything else that inconveniences other drivers, it is likely that they will get honked at and cause aggressiveness in other drivers. Why should a cyclist expect any more or less?
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Originally posted by: dguy6789
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They need to add "In some states, it's illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk" to that list.
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That law actually makes sense. As someone who bikes 2 or 3 times a year, you have much less visibility on the sidewalk. Cars aren't looking for you there (going into intersections, coming out of driveways, etc).
 
Originally posted by: arcenite
Originally posted by: dguy6789
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They need to add "In some states, it's illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk" to that list.
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That law actually makes sense. As someone who bikes 2 or 3 times a year, you have much less visibility on the sidewalk. Cars aren't looking for you there (going into intersections, coming out of driveways, etc).
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Agreed. I don't even bicycle, but I think it's obviously a bad idea for a bicyclist to ride on the side walk. I have no problem with them riding in the road, just don't be a complete dick about it and use some common sense.
 
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