26001 pound truck vs guy on a bicyle

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: JD50
lulz, pwned.

Lulz, not pawned. If either of you read the UNLESS section, i.e. the exclusions, you would realize that the bold portion is practically weightless.

As a law student and future attorney, I am especially aware of the exceptions. I have been taught to reading laws thoroughly, so I don't arrive in court citing some law that doesn't actually apply.

You said yourself that you ride in the middle of the lane, that is not staying as far to the right as possible.

Regardless of the law, the decent thing to do is to stay to the right so you're not holding up a bunch of people just trying to get to work, the store, etc... Very similar to the people that insist on driving exactly the speed limit in the left lane.

 

[PottedMeat]

Originally posted by: krylon

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Safeway
You are the fucking moron. It is illegal to ride on sidewalks you piece of shit motorist.

Bicycles are afforded equal lane usage rights. Learn to respect the law fucker.

Laws are not infallible. Which is more sensible: traffic builds up behind a bicyclist going 10 mph under the speed limit, or a bicyclist uses an empty sidewalk to get out of the way? If you go 10 mph under the speed limit in a car, you can be cited for insufficient speed; are bicycles subject to the same law? Common sense should dictate your actions more than adherence to a law that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

:thumbsup:

Yep - use your head. If the street's busy and there's an empty sidewalk, I'll use the sidewalk or get over as far as possible. I really don't trust drivers.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

As a kid I rode on the side streets thinking it was cool. Ignoring my mother who told me to ride on the sidewalk. I wouldn't dare pleasure ride on the main road at 3pm, I'd go to the park for a ride which nowadays, if I bike ride, I do.

 

[Safeway]

Final word, I will continue riding my bicycle on the road, in the middle of the lane. I will continue to carry my pistol in my jersey pocket to protect myself from thieves, muggers, and disgruntled drivers. I will continue to ride by bicycle both defensively and offensively, depending on the situation. I will continue to primarily ride my bicycle on closed courses and lightly traveled routes, but i will not be discouraged from riding on major thoroughfares, unless it is an interstate or similar roadway.

I will also continue to defend cycling until the lesser-informed are educated.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: Safeway
(A) less than 14 feet in width and does not have a designated bicycle lane adjacent to that lane; or

-- This is what you call a quantitative law. It is objective. It has an actual street width.

(B) too narrow for a bicycle and a motor vehicle to safely travel side by side.

-- This is what you call a qualitative law. It is subjective. Any lane in existence can be arguably too narrow.

Most roads within most cities are too narrow, especially when you consider parked cars (and their opening doors). When I try to stay out of traffics way here in Seattle, it forces me to whiz past driver-side doors within inches with no room for error at 25mph.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Safeway
Final word, I will continue riding my bicycle on the road, in the middle of the lane. I will continue to carry my pistol in my jersey pocket to protect myself from thieves, muggers, and disgruntled drivers. I will continue to ride by bicycle both defensively and offensively, depending on the situation. I will continue to primarily ride my bicycle on closed courses and lightly traveled routes, but i will not be discouraged from riding on major thoroughfares, unless it is an interstate or similar roadway.

I will also continue to defend cycling until the lesser-informed are educated.

you deserve a medal

 

[Farang]

And people saying ignore the law and use your head, you won't be saying that when you get a ticket for riding on the sidewalk. Cops will give it. You think they've thought it all through like you have, how it makes so much sense, but they don't give a fuck you're breaking the law.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: JD50
lulz, pwned.

Lulz, not pawned. If either of you read the UNLESS section, i.e. the exclusions, you would realize that the bold portion is practically weightless.

As a law student and future attorney, I am especially aware of the exceptions. I have been taught to reading laws thoroughly, so I don't arrive in court citing some law that doesn't actually apply.

You said yourself that you ride in the middle of the lane, that is not staying as far to the right as possible.

Regardless of the law, the decent thing to do is to stay to the right so you're not holding up a bunch of people just trying to get to work, the store, etc... Very similar to the people that insist on driving exactly the speed limit in the left lane.

You must stay far right, unless far right is unsafe or the street is too narrow (objectively or subjectively). That is every street.

Do you get how exclusions work? If I said, I go to work every day, unless it is Sunday ... you can't just copy and paste the first part of the sentence and preach it as truth.

I do not work every day! I work every day EXCEPT Sunday. Hence, on Sunday, the first part of the sentence is invalid.

Similarly, the "Ride to the right" is always invalid due to the EXCEPTIONS.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: BTRY B 529th FA BN
As a kid I rode on the side streets thinking it was cool. Ignoring my mother who told me to ride on the sidewalk. I wouldn't dare pleasure ride on the main road at 3pm, I'd go to the park for a ride which nowadays, if I bike ride, I do.

Who said they're pleasure riding? Perhaps they're going to/from work or running errands. But apparently they need to add hours to their trip or endanger pedestrians so you can save a couple minutes.

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

Just be careful out there.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: JD50
lulz, pwned.

Lulz, not pawned. If either of you read the UNLESS section, i.e. the exclusions, you would realize that the bold portion is practically weightless.

As a law student and future attorney, I am especially aware of the exceptions. I have been taught to reading laws thoroughly, so I don't arrive in court citing some law that doesn't actually apply.

You said yourself that you ride in the middle of the lane, that is not staying as far to the right as possible.

Regardless of the law, the decent thing to do is to stay to the right so you're not holding up a bunch of people just trying to get to work, the store, etc... Very similar to the people that insist on driving exactly the speed limit in the left lane.

You must stay far right, unless far right is unsafe or the street is too narrow (objectively or subjectively). That is every street.

Do you get how exclusions work? If I said, I go to work every day, unless it is Sunday ... you can't just copy and paste the first part of the sentence and preach it as truth.

I do not work every day! I work every day EXCEPT Sunday. Hence, on Sunday, the first part of the sentence is invalid.

Similarly, the "Ride to the right" is always invalid due to the EXCEPTIONS.

Yes, I understand how exclusions work, but the exclusions listed are not as clear cut as "I work every day EXCEPT Sunday". Anyways....

Regardless of the law, the decent thing to do is to stay to the right so you're not holding up a bunch of people just trying to get to work, the store, etc... Very similar to the people that insist on driving exactly the speed limit in the left lane.

I also find it highly unlikely that those EXCEPTIONS exist every single time you ride your bike. But whatever, you're a little insane about this.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Safeway
You are the fucking moron. It is illegal to ride on sidewalks you piece of shit motorist.

Bicycles are afforded equal lane usage rights. Learn to respect the law fucker.

Originally posted by: Safeway
You think law makers know what is best for a small sub-class of road users? No.

It's people like you who give cyclists a bad name. You are in here up in arms citing the law constantly if it defends your actions, but the second someone posts a law that says you are wrong, your immediate reaction is "you think lawmakers know best?" Then, as soon as you find law that supports you again, it's back to saying "it's the law!" without ever realizing what a giant hypocritical douchebag you sound like.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: Safeway
(A) less than 14 feet in width and does not have a designated bicycle lane adjacent to that lane; or

-- This is what you call a quantitative law. It is objective. It has an actual street width.

(B) too narrow for a bicycle and a motor vehicle to safely travel side by side.

-- This is what you call a qualitative law. It is subjective. Any lane in existence can be arguably too narrow.

Most roads within most cities are too narrow, especially when you consider parked cars (and their opening doors). When I try to stay out of traffics way here in Seattle, it forces me to whiz past driver-side doors within inches with no room for error at 25mph.

if the road is 14 feet wide, im thinking the law in this case is to stay to the right as far as possible. the exceptions may look like they disqualify the previous statements, but they arent that strong IMO. you would have to prove your safety was in jeopardy if a cop stopped you for holding up traffic. be prepared for the cop to whip out a tape measure and school you in practical application of exceptions tho.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: JD50
lulz, pwned.

Lulz, not pawned. If either of you read the UNLESS section, i.e. the exclusions, you would realize that the bold portion is practically weightless.

As a law student and future attorney, I am especially aware of the exceptions. I have been taught to reading laws thoroughly, so I don't arrive in court citing some law that doesn't actually apply.

Damn, a lawyer and biker that's an a-hole?? Never would I have guessed!

In all seriousness as an avid biker people like you really make me sick, and normally I wouldn't care if other people are jackasses, but riders like you are what give normal, logical riders a bad name, and are why drivers want to run bikers off the road..sell your bike, and get a segway or two instead please.

 

[skace]

Ok, I have one question after reading this thread. How the fuck can a bicycle be a considered a road worthy vehicle when it can't follow the most basic rule of the road: the speed limit. Seriously? Speed differences between vehicles is one of the most dangerous situations on the road. So I refuse to classify a bicycle as road worthy. It may be sharing the side of the road, but it certainly can't handle a lane.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: JD50
lulz, pwned.

Lulz, not pawned. If either of you read the UNLESS section, i.e. the exclusions, you would realize that the bold portion is practically weightless.

As a law student and future attorney, I am especially aware of the exceptions. I have been taught to reading laws thoroughly, so I don't arrive in court citing some law that doesn't actually apply.

Damn, a lawyer and biker that's an a-hole?? Never would I have guessed!

In all seriousness as an avid biker people like you really make me sick, and normally I wouldn't care if other people are jackasses, but riders like you are what give normal, logical riders a bad name, and are why drivers want to run bikers off the road..sell your bike, and get a segway or two instead please.

You apparently read nothing I wrote. I obey the traffic laws. If controlling my lane of traffic makes me an asshole, then fine. I'm proud to be an American asshole.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: JD50
lulz, pwned.

Lulz, not pawned. If either of you read the UNLESS section, i.e. the exclusions, you would realize that the bold portion is practically weightless.

As a law student and future attorney, I am especially aware of the exceptions. I have been taught to reading laws thoroughly, so I don't arrive in court citing some law that doesn't actually apply.

Damn, a lawyer and biker that's an a-hole?? Never would I have guessed!

In all seriousness as an avid biker people like you really make me sick, and normally I wouldn't care if other people are jackasses, but riders like you are what give normal, logical riders a bad name, and are why drivers want to run bikers off the road..sell your bike, and get a segway or two instead please.

You apparently read nothing I wrote. I obey the traffic laws. If controlling my lane of traffic makes me an asshole, then fine. I'm proud to be an American asshole.

Regardless of the law, the decent thing to do is to stay to the right so you're not holding up a bunch of people just trying to get to work, the store, etc... Very similar to the people that insist on driving exactly the speed limit in the left lane.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: skace
Ok, I have one question after reading this thread. How the fuck can a bicycle be a considered a road worthy vehicle when it can't follow the most basic rule of the road: the speed limit. Seriously? Speed differences between vehicles is one of the most dangerous situations on the road. So I refuse to classify a bicycle as road worthy. It may be sharing the side of the road, but it certainly can't handle a lane.

It's in the law book. Just like a moped with a maximum speed of 30 mph is allowed on the interstate highway system, with a speed limit of 60 mph.

And to be fair, I usually pull 20 to 25 mph on surface streets, which is pretty close to the 30 or 35 limit. And need I remind you, the speed LIMIT is the maximum allowable speed.

 

[Safeway]

Originally posted by: JD50
Regardless of the law, the decent thing to do is to stay to the right so you're not holding up a bunch of people just trying to get to work, the store, etc... Very similar to the people that insist on driving exactly the speed limit in the left lane.

Negative. That might be the best thing for everyone else, but it is extremely unsafe for me. Riding in the gutter is a good way to get killed. Controlling the lane on the other hand, is much safer.

Further, when I am biking, I am also getting to work and going to the store.

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: skace
Ok, I have one question after reading this thread. How the fuck can a bicycle be a considered a road worthy vehicle when it can't follow the most basic rule of the road: the speed limit. Seriously? Speed differences between vehicles is one of the most dangerous situations on the road. So I refuse to classify a bicycle as road worthy. It may be sharing the side of the road, but it certainly can't handle a lane.

It's in the law book. Just like a moped with a maximum speed of 30 mph is allowed on the interstate highway system, with a speed limit of 60 mph.

And to be fair, I usually pull 20 to 25 mph on surface streets, which is pretty close to the 30 or 35 limit. And need I remind you, the speed LIMIT is the maximum allowable speed.

Going 20mph in the MIDDLE of the road when others are doing 40+, regardless of what fine print might be in the law saying that it might be okay to do so, is NOT safe by any means at all.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I hate bikers who get all dressed up in their spandex-dick-showing suits when they go biking. They wear sponsors and such, like it's the Tour de France. When I drive by them I usually roll my window down and yell something like, "Live strong asshole."

 

[Syringer]

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: skace
Ok, I have one question after reading this thread. How the fuck can a bicycle be a considered a road worthy vehicle when it can't follow the most basic rule of the road: the speed limit. Seriously? Speed differences between vehicles is one of the most dangerous situations on the road. So I refuse to classify a bicycle as road worthy. It may be sharing the side of the road, but it certainly can't handle a lane.

It's in the law book. Just like a moped with a maximum speed of 30 mph is allowed on the interstate highway system, with a speed limit of 60 mph.

And to be fair, I usually pull 20 to 25 mph on surface streets, which is pretty close to the 30 or 35 limit. And need I remind you, the speed LIMIT is the maximum allowable speed.

Link? Tried to google it but couldn't find anything..

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: JD50
Regardless of the law, the decent thing to do is to stay to the right so you're not holding up a bunch of people just trying to get to work, the store, etc... Very similar to the people that insist on driving exactly the speed limit in the left lane.

It's been awhile but the CA Driver's handbook/laws go over in great detail right of way. Who has it in what situation, etc etc.

Then at the very end there's a little bit in there - "Do not INSIST on taking the right of way if you believe it is your right of way" the jist of it being - be able to yield.

I ride my bike for fun/exercise sometimes and I try to remember this : Bicyclists have every right to the road, and every responsibility to make sure they are doing every thing they can to not get killed. Do I have the right to be on the road? Sure. Should I be if I think a car / truck is going to hit me... maybe not....

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

One thing you gotta know is this. Those trucks I drive have alot of roll in the steering when you hit a dip on the road or a rise in the asphalt. You have to overcompensate the steering to get back in line. It is a very dangerous situation. Believe me, if you drove those trucks I drive you'd FULLY understand and also blow the hell out of the horn to let the person know regardless if they are on the far right or not.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Syringer

Originally posted by: Safeway

Originally posted by: skace
Ok, I have one question after reading this thread. How the fuck can a bicycle be a considered a road worthy vehicle when it can't follow the most basic rule of the road: the speed limit. Seriously? Speed differences between vehicles is one of the most dangerous situations on the road. So I refuse to classify a bicycle as road worthy. It may be sharing the side of the road, but it certainly can't handle a lane.

It's in the law book. Just like a moped with a maximum speed of 30 mph is allowed on the interstate highway system, with a speed limit of 60 mph.

And to be fair, I usually pull 20 to 25 mph on surface streets, which is pretty close to the 30 or 35 limit. And need I remind you, the speed LIMIT is the maximum allowable speed.

Link? Tried to google it but couldn't find anything..

In MD(and I imagine every other state), and vehicle has to meet a certain horsepower requirement(50?) to ride on the interstate system. I'm guessing it's a federal law since it's a national system.