Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: sponge008
Everyone knows the deagle in .50 is best.
Yeah, if you are strong enough to hold onto it and shoot it straight. Also helps if you don't like your ability to hear.
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
While it is true a .22 can kill someone, it almost never has been an instant kill. It just isn't large enough to cause serious debilitating wounds. It also can't create a large enough wound channel to cause more damage than just the projectile. Unless you sever the spine or causes massive head trauma you aren't going to drop someone instantly, especially if they are hopped up on something. And a .22 will penetrate a body, it will not make it deep enough to reach the spine.
Where do you people come up with this bullsh!t? A damned BB can cause "debilitating wounds" if shot in the right spots.
Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
*Let me clarify, this isn't a post saying that a .22LR should be purchased as a self defense weapon, there are clearly better choices for self defense. But that doesn't mean it can't double as one.*
*Let me clarify, this isn't a post saying that a .22LR should be purchased as a self defense weapon, there are clearly better choices for self defense. But that doesn't mean it can't double as one.*
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh c'mon... try shooting yourself in the arm or leg with a .22 and tell me you wouldn't be incapacitated.
Anything that can put a hole in someone can stop that someone. It's that simple. Don't believe me, think about having a hole in yourself. And a .22lr will leave a hole, guaranteed.
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
edit: Oh FFS, now people are comparing .22's to salad forks and butter knives... :roll:
Originally posted by: Vic
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
BTW since we're talking about .22LR...
Some family friends were trying to slaughter pigs with .22LR shots to the head. We're talking close range (a few inches), square in the forehead. They weren't having much luck (dazed them a little, but that's about it).
A .17 HMR dropped them dead in their tracks.
Viper GTS
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh c'mon... try shooting yourself in the arm or leg with a .22 and tell me you wouldn't be incapacitated.
Anything that can put a hole in someone can stop that someone. It's that simple. Don't believe me, think about having a hole in yourself. And a .22lr will leave a hole, guaranteed.
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
edit: Oh FFS, now people are comparing .22's to salad forks and butter knives... :roll:
Originally posted by: JDMnAR1
Originally posted by: Vic
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
Well hell - why are we spending all that money on 9mm and 5.56mm rounds for our military when .22LR is so well suited as a defense round? Oh yeah - because there ARE better tools for the job. :roll:
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Because nobody considers a 10/22 to be a self defense weapon.
Viper GTS
It could be. If I put my banana clip on my 10/22 the media would call it an assault rifle, and if I put the banana clip, a scope, and a bipod on it the state of California would call it an assault rifle. Also, after shooting someone 10 or 30 times, I could beat them to death with the stock by utilizing it as a club.
and therein lies your problem. you shouln't have to shoot someone 10-30 times to put them down. thats the whole point.
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh c'mon... try shooting yourself in the arm or leg with a .22 and tell me you wouldn't be incapacitated.
Anything that can put a hole in someone can stop that someone. It's that simple. Don't believe me, think about having a hole in yourself. And a .22lr will leave a hole, guaranteed.
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
edit: Oh FFS, now people are comparing .22's to salad forks and butter knives... :roll:
heh when i was 12 i was shot in the leg with a .22. IT FRICKEN HURT! i also had a nice little hole in my leg. Went to the doctor and they just pulled it out heh.
About the same time i shot myself in the same leg with my bow. i am still confused how i managed to do it. but have a nice long scare on my leg
Yeah, something crawled up my ass while you're talking about "shot placement" with an object less than half-an-inch in diameter traveling 1000 ft/s or more towards a moving target a foot-and-a-half across at anywhere between 22 feet and a 100 yards away.Originally posted by: FallenHero
I'm not entirely sure what crawled up your ass Vic, but relying on a .22 to take down anything besides birds and squirrels is really really stupid. And alot of departments around me are switching to higher calibers because the 9mm simply sucks for taking someone down. Shot placement is all good, but when the shit hits the fan, your shot placement is gonna suck unless you train every day for that situation.
Originally posted by: SoulAssassin
Originally posted by: Fern
I think they are OK for self defense.
A .22 short is a completely different matter though. IMO, a .25 is not much good either.
I have a CC permit and own many handguns ranging from .357 mag, .38 special and .22LRs (and a .22 magnum).
Around the office I use a .22LR. I fear the other calibers have too much penetration (possibility of passing through too many walls into adjacent offices etc).
Fern
Where the hell do you work that you're allowed to pack in the office?
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Vic
Oh c'mon... try shooting yourself in the arm or leg with a .22 and tell me you wouldn't be incapacitated.
Anything that can put a hole in someone can stop that someone. It's that simple. Don't believe me, think about having a hole in yourself. And a .22lr will leave a hole, guaranteed.
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
edit: Oh FFS, now people are comparing .22's to salad forks and butter knives... :roll:
heh when i was 12 i was shot in the leg with a .22. IT FRICKEN HURT! i also had a nice little hole in my leg. Went to the doctor and they just pulled it out heh.
About the same time i shot myself in the same leg with my bow. i am still confused how i managed to do it. but have a nice long scare on my leg
that made me laff, thanks.
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: JDMnAR1
Originally posted by: Vic
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
Well hell - why are we spending all that money on 9mm and 5.56mm rounds for our military when .22LR is so well suited as a defense round? Oh yeah - because there ARE better tools for the job. :roll:
Nice straw man. :roll::roll:
Of course there are better tools for the job. That's not the argument. The argument is you and others comparing a .22 to a freakin' butter knife.
Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
.22LR not a good round for defense?
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Because nobody considers a 10/22 to be a self defense weapon.
Viper GTS
It could be. If I put my banana clip on my 10/22 the media would call it an assault rifle, and if I put the banana clip, a scope, and a bipod on it the state of California would call it an assault rifle. Also, after shooting someone 10 or 30 times, I could beat them to death with the stock by utilizing it as a club.
and therein lies your problem. you shouln't have to shoot someone 10-30 times to put them down. thats the whole point.
Getting shot ONCE with a .22 would hurt like hell. Enough to get most people to turn and run.
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: JDMnAR1
Originally posted by: Vic
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
Well hell - why are we spending all that money on 9mm and 5.56mm rounds for our military when .22LR is so well suited as a defense round? Oh yeah - because there ARE better tools for the job. :roll:
Nice straw man. :roll::roll:
Of course there are better tools for the job. That's not the argument. The argument is you and others comparing a .22 to a freakin' butter knife.
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis.