right, lets see how well you shoot when a crazy guy is charging you with a knife. you are most likely scared and nervous as hell as well.Originally posted by: Vic
Yeah, if you are strong enough to hold onto it and shoot it straight. Also helps if you don't like your ability to hear.Originally posted by: sponge008
Everyone knows the deagle in .50 is best.
Where do you people come up with this bullsh!t? A damned BB can cause "debilitating wounds" if shot in the right spots.Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
While it is true a .22 can kill someone, it almost never has been an instant kill. It just isn't large enough to cause serious debilitating wounds. It also can't create a large enough wound channel to cause more damage than just the projectile. Unless you sever the spine or causes massive head trauma you aren't going to drop someone instantly, especially if they are hopped up on something. And a .22 will penetrate a body, it will not make it deep enough to reach the spine.
Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
*Let me clarify, this isn't a post saying that a .22LR should be purchased as a self defense weapon, there are clearly better choices for self defense. But that doesn't mean it can't double as one.*
Then, I wholeheartedly agree. A .22LR *can* be used for self defense. Of course, if a burglar broke in at night, I could certainly take off my underwear and use them for self-defense by snapping him in the side of the head with the elastic waistband. So, given that alternative, I'd much rather have the .22LR. But, if I was thinking, "I want a gun for self defense..." then a .22LR would be one of the last choices.*Let me clarify, this isn't a post saying that a .22LR should be purchased as a self defense weapon, there are clearly better choices for self defense. But that doesn't mean it can't double as one.*
heh when i was 12 i was shot in the leg with a .22. IT FRICKEN HURT! i also had a nice little hole in my leg. Went to the doctor and they just pulled it out heh.Originally posted by: Vic
Oh c'mon... try shooting yourself in the arm or leg with a .22 and tell me you wouldn't be incapacitated.
Anything that can put a hole in someone can stop that someone. It's that simple. Don't believe me, think about having a hole in yourself. And a .22lr will leave a hole, guaranteed.
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
edit: Oh FFS, now people are comparing .22's to salad forks and butter knives... :roll:
Well hell - why are we spending all that money on 9mm and 5.56mm rounds for our military when .22LR is so well suited as a defense round? Oh yeah - because there ARE better tools for the job. :roll:Originally posted by: Vic
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
The .17 HM2/HMR is just half the bullet with twice the muzzle velocity in the same cartridge.Originally posted by: Viper GTS
BTW since we're talking about .22LR...
Some family friends were trying to slaughter pigs with .22LR shots to the head. We're talking close range (a few inches), square in the forehead. They weren't having much luck (dazed them a little, but that's about it).
A .17 HMR dropped them dead in their tracks.
Viper GTS
I'm not entirely sure what crawled up your ass Vic, but relying on a .22 to take down anything besides birds and squirrels is really really stupid. And alot of departments around me are switching to higher calibers because the 9mm simply sucks for taking someone down. Shot placement is all good, but when the shit hits the fan, your shot placement is gonna suck unless you train every day for that situation.Originally posted by: Vic
Oh c'mon... try shooting yourself in the arm or leg with a .22 and tell me you wouldn't be incapacitated.
Anything that can put a hole in someone can stop that someone. It's that simple. Don't believe me, think about having a hole in yourself. And a .22lr will leave a hole, guaranteed.
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
edit: Oh FFS, now people are comparing .22's to salad forks and butter knives... :roll:
Nice straw man. :roll::roll:Originally posted by: JDMnAR1
Well hell - why are we spending all that money on 9mm and 5.56mm rounds for our military when .22LR is so well suited as a defense round? Oh yeah - because there ARE better tools for the job. :roll:Originally posted by: Vic
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
Getting shot ONCE with a .22 would hurt like hell. Enough to get most people to turn and run.Originally posted by: pontifex
and therein lies your problem. you shouln't have to shoot someone 10-30 times to put them down. thats the whole point.Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
It could be. If I put my banana clip on my 10/22 the media would call it an assault rifle, and if I put the banana clip, a scope, and a bipod on it the state of California would call it an assault rifle. Also, after shooting someone 10 or 30 times, I could beat them to death with the stock by utilizing it as a club.Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Because nobody considers a 10/22 to be a self defense weapon.
Viper GTS
that made me laff, thanks.Originally posted by: waggy
heh when i was 12 i was shot in the leg with a .22. IT FRICKEN HURT! i also had a nice little hole in my leg. Went to the doctor and they just pulled it out heh.Originally posted by: Vic
Oh c'mon... try shooting yourself in the arm or leg with a .22 and tell me you wouldn't be incapacitated.
Anything that can put a hole in someone can stop that someone. It's that simple. Don't believe me, think about having a hole in yourself. And a .22lr will leave a hole, guaranteed.
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
edit: Oh FFS, now people are comparing .22's to salad forks and butter knives... :roll:
About the same time i shot myself in the same leg with my bow. i am still confused how i managed to do it. but have a nice long scare on my leg
Yeah, something crawled up my ass while you're talking about "shot placement" with an object less than half-an-inch in diameter traveling 1000 ft/s or more towards a moving target a foot-and-a-half across at anywhere between 22 feet and a 100 yards away.Originally posted by: FallenHero
I'm not entirely sure what crawled up your ass Vic, but relying on a .22 to take down anything besides birds and squirrels is really really stupid. And alot of departments around me are switching to higher calibers because the 9mm simply sucks for taking someone down. Shot placement is all good, but when the shit hits the fan, your shot placement is gonna suck unless you train every day for that situation.
I own my business and the commercial building it's located in. I'm the landlordOriginally posted by: SoulAssassin
Where the hell do you work that you're allowed to pack in the office?Originally posted by: Fern
I think they are OK for self defense.
A .22 short is a completely different matter though. IMO, a .25 is not much good either.
I have a CC permit and own many handguns ranging from .357 mag, .38 special and .22LRs (and a .22 magnum).
Around the office I use a .22LR. I fear the other calibers have too much penetration (possibility of passing through too many walls into adjacent offices etc).
Fern
yeah now 20 years after it i can laugh. but man it hurt. only good thing is i had a practice head on it!Originally posted by: hanoverphist
that made me laff, thanks.Originally posted by: waggy
heh when i was 12 i was shot in the leg with a .22. IT FRICKEN HURT! i also had a nice little hole in my leg. Went to the doctor and they just pulled it out heh.Originally posted by: Vic
Oh c'mon... try shooting yourself in the arm or leg with a .22 and tell me you wouldn't be incapacitated.
Anything that can put a hole in someone can stop that someone. It's that simple. Don't believe me, think about having a hole in yourself. And a .22lr will leave a hole, guaranteed.
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
edit: Oh FFS, now people are comparing .22's to salad forks and butter knives... :roll:
About the same time i shot myself in the same leg with my bow. i am still confused how i managed to do it. but have a nice long scare on my leg
What argument? I am merely trying to answer the original question -Originally posted by: Vic
Nice straw man. :roll::roll:Originally posted by: JDMnAR1
Well hell - why are we spending all that money on 9mm and 5.56mm rounds for our military when .22LR is so well suited as a defense round? Oh yeah - because there ARE better tools for the job. :roll:Originally posted by: Vic
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
Of course there are better tools for the job. That's not the argument. The argument is you and others comparing a .22 to a freakin' butter knife.
Originally posted by: SilthDraeth
.22LR not a good round for defense?
but we're talking about fighting zombies here right?Originally posted by: mugs
Getting shot ONCE with a .22 would hurt like hell. Enough to get most people to turn and run.Originally posted by: pontifex
and therein lies your problem. you shouln't have to shoot someone 10-30 times to put them down. thats the whole point.Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
It could be. If I put my banana clip on my 10/22 the media would call it an assault rifle, and if I put the banana clip, a scope, and a bipod on it the state of California would call it an assault rifle. Also, after shooting someone 10 or 30 times, I could beat them to death with the stock by utilizing it as a club.Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Because nobody considers a 10/22 to be a self defense weapon.
Viper GTS
Strawman? "that's not the argument"? But, you said:Originally posted by: Vic
Nice straw man. :roll::roll:Originally posted by: JDMnAR1
Well hell - why are we spending all that money on 9mm and 5.56mm rounds for our military when .22LR is so well suited as a defense round? Oh yeah - because there ARE better tools for the job. :roll:Originally posted by: Vic
The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis. I swear, I pull out my P226 at the range and some tool has to tell me that he "wouldn't trust anything less than a .45 for home defense." Which is why the 9mm is used by military and police the world around, right? :roll:
Of course there are better tools for the job. That's not the argument. The argument is you and others comparing a .22 to a freakin' butter knife.
As I said before, it's not a matter of the ability to stop someone, but *how quickly* you can stop someone really determined to cause harm to you. Personally, I completely agree that if you're only going to have one weapon in the house, and you *also* want to use that for hunting, there's nothing wrong with a .22LR. Sure, you can use it for self defense. And, it's much more effective than nothing. But, to purchase a weapon solely for self-defense? I don't think a .22LR is on that list.The whole caliber argument is the gun equivalent of e-penis.