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conehead433

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So Katrina cost taxpayers $125 billion, Ida will no doubt be in the upward range toward $100 billion. So as storms increase in intensity the damages will only get worse. So is New Orleans worth spending a trillion dollars to keep above water? I don't think so. In the long run it would be cheaper to move the population elsewhere. New Orleans is similar to Afghanistan. We're just throwing money away and there is no way to win, especially against mother nature.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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conehead433 said:
So Katrina cost taxpayers $125 billion, Ida will no doubt be in the upward range toward $100 billion. So as storms increase in intensity the damages will only get worse. So is New Orleans worth spending a trillion dollars to keep above water? I don't think so. In the long run it would be cheaper to move the population elsewhere. New Orleans is similar to Afghanistan. We're just throwing money away and there is no way to win, especially against mother nature.
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By taking an L on NOLA, you have to accept that the same thing is going to happen to a whole bunch of coast communities eventually. Nobody wants to be holding that football when the time comes, so they keep kicking it down the road to be someone else's problem.
 
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brycejones

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conehead433 said:
So Katrina cost taxpayers $125 billion, Ida will no doubt be in the upward range toward $100 billion. So as storms increase in intensity the damages will only get worse. So is New Orleans worth spending a trillion dollars to keep above water? I don't think so. In the long run it would be cheaper to move the population elsewhere. New Orleans is similar to Afghanistan. We're just throwing money away and there is no way to win, especially against mother nature.
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Serious question:

Are you prepared to abandon the coasts?
 
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conehead433

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brycejones said:
Serious question:

Are you prepared to abandon the coasts?
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No one who lives along the coast wants to abandon their homes. But mother nature is going to take them away and federal flood insurance is not going to keep paying people to rebuild in these high risk areas. New Orleans was built (stupidly) below sea level. There is little hope of saving it in the long run. We've all seen footage of surf wiping out homes in the Northeast and it will continue to happen where people have built right on the water. Had hurricane Michael been a little further east my home in South Georgia probably would have been demolished. I think at some point I may have to abandon South Georgia because of the increasing intensity of the hurricanes.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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brycejones said:
Serious question:

Are you prepared to abandon the coasts?
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None of us are 'prepared' for that, I think that's the point. We're not taking the steps necessary to abandon it, and mother nature doesn't much give a damn.

Friendly reminder, due to lunar nodal cycle, in 2035, the global sea level will be 14" higher, only due to the moon's influence on ocean level. It'll likely be higher than that due to ongoing ice melt as well.
earthsky.org

| EarthSky

The April 2021 supermoon and the lunar nodal cycle, explained.
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thilanliyan

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[DHT]Osiris said:
None of us are 'prepared' for that, I think that's the point. We're not taking the steps necessary to abandon it, and mother nature doesn't much give a damn.

Friendly reminder, due to lunar nodal cycle, in 2035, the global sea level will be 14" higher, only due to the moon's influence on ocean level. It'll likely be higher than that due to ongoing ice melt as well.
earthsky.org

| EarthSky

The April 2021 supermoon and the lunar nodal cycle, explained.
earthsky.org earthsky.org
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Shhhhh!!!!...now repubs will have more ammo for "natural" climate change like those snowballs in winter. :D
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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thilanliyan said:
Shhhhh!!!!...now repubs will have more ammo for "natural" climate change like those snowballs in winter. :D
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Yeah except the fact they can't explain why ocean levels didn't drop over the last 14 years. Not that it matters to those brain-dead idiots.
 
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brycejones

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woolfe9998 said:
Looks like the levees in NO held up well.

www.nytimes.com

Hurricane Ida updates: In Ida’s Grip, Louisiana Struggles to Assess the Damage (Published 2021)

About a million customers were left without power as a slow-moving storm pummeled the region, causing at least three deaths.
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It’s more fun though to declare everything hopeless and impossible. Not directed at you but some earlier posters in this thread who didn’t wait for any facts before writing off NOLA.
 
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brycejones said:
It’s more fun though to declare everything hopeless and impossible. Not directed at you but some earlier posters in this thread who didn’t wait for any facts before writing off NOLA.
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I just assumed that they improved the levee structure after Katrina. In fact, I recall reading years back that they had done so.
 
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Yet once again, somehow, knowing full well, that this is hurricane central, their lovely power company fails at maintaining any basic infrastructure survival. What are the rate payers getting in this deal? Seems multiple paths to outside power should exist, specifically in an area like this, yet wires running across the Mississippi are down, and all is lost. Couldn't have possibly been a bad idea.
 
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Biggest issues for NOLA look like wind damage and power outage. Catastrophic failure of Entergy's system is probably something that should be looked into. Flood improvements seem to have performed well.
 
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Roger Wilco

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brycejones said:
It’s more fun though to declare everything hopeless and impossible. Not directed at you but some earlier posters in this thread who didn’t wait for any facts before writing off NOLA.
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I don't think I ever declared things as hopeless and impossible, but while the levees held, the entire city is out of power for 3 weeks, and the hospitals are still filled with covid patients. It seems like it will be awhile before damage can actually be assessed.
 
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brycejones

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Roger Wilco said:
I don't think I ever declared things as hopeless and impossible, but while the levees held, the entire city is out of power for 3 weeks, and the hospitals are still filled with covid patients. It seems like it will be awhile before damage can actually be assessed.
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We should certainly look at the changes that we made post Katrina and see if they performed as expected. We should also look at any new failure points and determine what actions should be taken to reduce risks in those areas.
 
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conehead433 said:
So Katrina cost taxpayers $125 billion, Ida will no doubt be in the upward range toward $100 billion. So as storms increase in intensity the damages will only get worse. So is New Orleans worth spending a trillion dollars to keep above water? I don't think so. In the long run it would be cheaper to move the population elsewhere. New Orleans is similar to Afghanistan. We're just throwing money away and there is no way to win, especially against mother nature.
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Following the same train of thought, you should write off most of Florida as well-certainly the Miami area which is way closer to going underwater than New Orleans. And toss in CA-too many fires and mudslides-even though they are largest economy in the US. And don't forget places like Texas which never prepare for emergencies and instead sponge off the despised federal government.
 
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Amol S.

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Remains of Ida hitting new york sometime tonight to early morning. Just heavy rain. Nice way to end the season. Just saw lightning outside windows in distance.
 
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Amol S.

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Tornado Watch in NYC!!!!!!!!!!!

Tornado Watch
TORNADO WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE FOR WT 484
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
620 PM EDT WED SEP 1 2021

TORNADO WATCH 484 IS IN EFFECT UNTIL 100 AM EDT FOR THE
FOLLOWING LOCATIONS

NYC005-047-059-061-081-085-087-103-119-020500-
/O.NEW.KWNS.TO.A.0484.210901T2220Z-210902T0500Z/

NY
. NEW YORK COUNTIES INCLUDED ARE

BRONX KINGS NASSAU
NEW YORK QUEENS RICHMOND
ROCKLAND SUFFOLK WESTCHESTER
$$



WWA Summary by Location for 40.73N 73.79W with NYZ176/NYC081/NYZ176 emphasis Tornado Watch

forecast.weather.gov forecast.weather.gov
 
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