2020 census to include citizenship question

[UglyCasanova]

It’s a reasonable question for the census, I’m not sure why the outrage.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Maybe we should just provide blanket amnesty.

Ultimately we are going to have to and I think even those on the right could be persuaded on this so long as it’s coupled with real border control reform. The wall is a stupid idea imo but e-verification isn’t. More border guards. No more anchor babies. Things like that is the compromise it’s going to take (and they probably want the damned wall to but whatever).

What happens when they become citizens though. They have to pay taxes and all of the sudden they’re subject to the minimum wage since they aren’t being paid under the table. Do fieldhands need the requirement for a "living wage" too?

 

[fskimospy]

It’s a reasonable question for the census, I’m not sure why the outrage.

Because it’s a dumb idea to include it as it depresses participation. Since an accurate count is the literal point of the census this is really just common sense.

I genuinely don’t get why so many people are playing dumb about this.

 

[jackstar7]

I genuinely don’t get why so many people are playing dumb about this.

I bet you do, it's just depressing.

 

[OutHouse]

Canada doesn't have anywhere near the Illegal Immigrant issue that the US does. Nor does it have a government that currently is constantly vilifying Immigrants.

so back to the question. Why does Canada ask the citizenship question on its census?

 

[OutHouse]

You aren’t even making logical sense anymore. Counting all the people we can is the POINT OF THE CENSUS

and why is it done? thats the part you keep skipping over

In addition to collecting population data for the purposes of accurately apportioning congressional districts, the federal government uses census data, among other reasons, to determine:

• The allocation of federal funding for education programs in states and communities.
• National social and health statistics used by a variety of agencies for policy purposes.
• The allocation of federal dollars for law enforcement, federal highway projects, aid to farmers and many other federally financed activities and programs.
• A wide variety of economic statistics that become the basis of the nation's economic policies.

 

[ivwshane]

so back to the question. Why does Canada ask the citizenship question on its census?

Does Canada currently have their immigration police randomly rounding up people and deporting them? Do they have a president who has shown hostility to immigrants? Has Canada had immigration issues in the past? Does Canada have a racist history? Does Canada have a large population of racist citizens? Does Canada have a political party that uses racial animosity for political gain?

When you find the answers to those questions, then you'll understand why Canada does it.

 

[ivwshane]

and why is it done? thats the part you keep skipping over

Actually he and others already understand why it's done, your quote doesn't change anything.

 

[sandorski]

so back to the question. Why does Canada ask the citizenship question on its census?

Moot. Again.

 

[OutHouse]

Moot. Again.

fail. is the answer that scary to you to not answer?

 

[jackstar7]

fail. is the answer that scary to you to not answer?

I feel like between the two sides, yours is much more fearful.

 

[sandorski]

fail. is the answer that scary to you to not answer?

Not scary at all, there's just a real good reason that asking it in the US at this time risks making it a waste of Time and Money.

 

[OutHouse]

Not scary at all, there's just a real good reason that asking it in the US at this time risks making it a waste of Time and Money.

is this a punt or fumble i cant decide.

 

[sandorski]

is this a punt or fumble i cant decide.

Just something flying over your head.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Does Canada currently have their immigration police randomly rounding up people and deporting them?

Deportations in Canada are on the rise and they have strict criteria for what constitutes a refugee. They are currently struggling to process a huge wave of Haitians.

Do they have a president who has shown hostility to immigrants?

Enforcement of federal law is now hostility?

Has Canada had immigration issues in the past?

They have one now and its causing the same tensions we’ve beed dealing with in America

Does Canada have a racist history?

It is the product of white European colonization and manifest destiny, same as America

Does Canada have a large population of racist citizens?

The French populations of Canada are very tribal, and the rural areas are not unlike the tribal libertarians of New England and the state of Jefferson.

Does Canada have a political party that uses racial animosity for political gain?

We have two, so we’re ahead on that count.

 

[ivwshane]

Deportations in Canada are on the rise and they have strict criteria for what constitutes a refugee. They are currently struggling to process a huge wave of Haitians.

So it's not an on going issue that Canadians have had to deal with consistently throughout its history. Got it.

Enforcement of federal law is now hostility?
bubble boy, I was talking about the president and the Republican party who ran on building a wall and deportation. To answer your question though, yes, in the eyes of an illegal immigrant the enforcement of immigration law is indeed hostile, duh.

They have one now and its causing the same tensions we’ve beed dealing with in America

So again, its not something they've had a long history of.

It is the product of white European colonization and manifest destiny, same as America

lol no, manifest destiny is not the same as a slave economy, a civil war to keep said slave economy, and later laws to discriminate and suppress people based on their racial make up.

The French populations of Canada are very tribal, and the rural areas are not unlike the tribal libertarians of New England and the state of Jefferson.

Is that the same as racism?

We have two, so we’re ahead on that count.

Congrats, your country is turning into a shit hole but because it hasn't always been a shit hole it doesn't have the same history we do.



On a side note, its disappointing to find out that you are Canadian. I was hoping Canadians were immune to right wing/trump think. Sadly it sounds like they are embracing it.

 

[Jhhnn]

and why is it done? thats the part you keep skipping over

All true. Now explain how citizenship has anything to do with that.

 

[pcgeek11]

What is this idea based on? Empirical research strongly indicates the opposite. Is this just your feelings?



Irrelevant to the census.

As I said I think ...

Link where Empirical research strongly indicates that illegals participate in the census.

 

[pcgeek11]

The shrug emoji would have worked just as well, since you have nothing.

I guess we are even then.

 

[pcgeek11]

That's truthiness, right? You believe what you believe because you want to believe it despite having no evidence at all.

The part you & the Admin have yet to explain is why that question is necessary & why normal protocols were bypassed to introduce it at the last moment. What will you do with the information?

Having the most accurate census possible shouldn't be a partisan issue. Including that question certainly won't make it more accurate.

Your "shouldn't be here in the first place" remark is telling, an attempt to deny reality. They *are* here. That's the truth, and the census should tell us the truth, shouldn't it?

There is no proof that illegal aliens participate in the census either. We don't even have a specific verifiable number that are here.

Yes I do have strong feelings about illegal aliens from all areas. They should not be here. They should not get a voice in our government or receive any services.

Yes the census should tell us the truth, including if you are a citizen or not. That is part of the truth regardless of what you want to make of it. Just like they ask about sex, national origin, race, age and date of birth.

 

[fskimospy]

As I said I think ...

Link where Empirical research strongly indicates that illegals participate in the census.

Wait, you’re arguing no respond? Wut? You can’t seriously be arguing this.

 

[pcgeek11]

All true. Now explain how citizenship has anything to do with that.

It has as much to do with it as the other demographic questions:

Sex, national origin, race, age and date of birth. And now Citizenship.

 

[pcgeek11]

Wait, you’re arguing no respond? Wut? You can’t seriously be arguing this.

I'm not arguing at all. I am expressing my thoughts on the matter and you disagree.
I am saying what I have said all along. Read my post.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not arguing at all. I am expressing my thoughts on the matter and you disagree.
I am saying what I have said all along. Read my post.

I did. If you aren’t arguing that none respond then your other post is irrelevant as then the question is simply what proportion do and then we are back to my point. Will including this increase or decrease participation?

 

[pcgeek11]

I did. If you aren’t arguing that none respond then your other post is irrelevant as then the question is simply what proportion do and then we are back to my point. Will including this increase or decrease participation?

I never said "none respond". As I said earlier and you did not read was that we do not know the numbers that do and the numbers that don't so it cannot be determined what effect if any this will have on the overall outcome of the census. Any claim that you know is untrue.

Citizenship question is just like the other demographics they ask as I stated above.