2020 census to include citizenship question

[ivwshane]

So dishonest.

We've been buckshot.

 

[fskimospy]

If growing wealth disparity, rising homelessness, insufficient housing, underfunded pensions, gentrification and NIMBYism are your definition of success, then sure.

Are you just naming things you don’t like about costal states now? You said something demonstrably false about them and you know it. I don’t know why you’re so angry at the success of liberal areas?

 

[Jhhnn]

Are you just naming things you don’t like about costal states now? You said something demonstrably false about them and you know it. I don’t know why you’re so angry at the success of liberal areas?

He's just another culture warrior tearing down the common decency & mutual respect underlying democracy & the whole basis of America. For Freedumb, obviously.

Oh, and the real Merricuh will always be White. Everybody knows this.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Are you just naming things you don’t like about costal states now? You said something demonstrably false about them and you know it. I don’t know why you’re so angry at the success of liberal areas?

All of those things are true. What is demonstrably false?

 

[fskimospy]

All of those things are true. What is demonstrably false?

Your claim that these areas are not attempting to reduce inequality is demonstrably false and you know it. They have repeatedly voted to raise their own taxes in order to help out poorer people. Conservatives on the other hand are attempting to increase inequality, as I’m sure you agree.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Your claim that these areas are not attempting to reduce inequality is demonstrably false and you know it. They have repeatedly voted to raise their own taxes in order to help out poorer people. Conservatives on the other hand are attempting to increase inequality, as I’m sure you agree.

I don’t think either of those things are necessarily true. I think you genuinely believe those things to be true, and you make reasonable arguments, which is why I enjoy our exchanges.

There is enough wealth concentrated in Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, Manhattan, Boston and Chicago to ensure that not one person has to live on the streets or one poor kid has to receive a subpar education in an underfunded school. Democrats also have a political monopoly in these areas. There is literally nothing stopping them from solving these problems, and yet they persist. If they are trying as you claim, they are failing...miserably.

As for rural areas, they are rightfully angry. There was once an America where, with a basic trade and union membership, you could make a good living for yourself and your kids might move up a rung on the ladder. That America is dead. The jerb creators killed it, and the coastal service based economies that benefitted from that betrayal are now smugly gloating. Calling them stupid. Calling them unproductive. Calling them Nazis. Telling them to check their privilege yet completely ignorant to their own privilege.

And, rather than empathize with and try to understand why they are angry, liberals instead devote their energy to alarmism over census questions.

Is it any wonder Trump won?

 

[Starbuck1975]

He's just another culture warrior tearing down the common decency & mutual respect underlying democracy & the whole basis of America. For Freedumb, obviously.

Oh, and the real Merricuh will always be White. Everybody knows this.

Woo hoo. Freedumb! I got @Jhhnn bingo.

 

[Jhhnn]

All of those things are true. What is demonstrably false?

Demonstrably false? That they have anything to do with an accurate census.

 

[Brainonska511]

There is enough wealth concentrated in Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, Manhattan, Boston and Chicago to ensure that not one person has to live on the streets or one poor kid has to receive a subpar education in an underfunded school. Democrats also have a political monopoly in these areas. There is literally nothing stopping them from solving these problems, and yet they persist. If they are trying as you claim, they are failing...miserably.

LOL, you think Democrats have some kind of unstoppable political monopoly in NY and NYC?

 

[Jhhnn]

LOL, you think Democrats have some kind of unstoppable political monopoly in NY and NYC?

He's duh-verting. Don't go for the shiny object...

 

[Starbuck1975]

LOL, you think Democrats have some kind of unstoppable political monopoly in NY and NYC?

The state of NY, no, which is why I did not say NY state. Despite being a strong blue state, NY also has some peculiar power dynamics in its legislature. There is no excuse for NYC.

CA, WA, OR, CT and NJ are the most notable states the Democrats control, and as I mentioned previously, contain cities with the worst wealth disparity in the country.

 

[Jhhnn]

Told you so. Starbuck would have us talking about anything but the dishonest bullshit the Trump admin is generating about the census.

 

[UglyCasanova]

There is no excuse for NYC.

Before DeBlasio the last two mayors of NYC were Republican.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Told you so. Starbuck would have us talking about anything but the dishonest bullshit the Trump admin is generating about the census.

How is it dishonest?

 

[Jhhnn]

How is it dishonest?

If you read the thread you'd already know.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Before DeBlasio the last two mayors of NYC were Republican.

True, but I was speaking more to the NIMBYism of the affluent liberal areas. NY has very specific affordable housing targets for all municipalities. Most of the affluent towns that went strongly for Clinton are the least compliant and most resistant. They want low income migrant workers to count, they just don’t want to live amongst them. It is this sort of hypocrisy I see almost daily.

 

[Jhhnn]

Former Commerce secretaries & census leaders wade in-

Six past census directors - from both parties - recently expressed deep concerns about adding a citizenship question to the 2020 survey. We have worked with several of these directors. They are professionals and experts in managing large statistical agencies. We do not believe that their judgment should be substituted without empirical evidence. The current leadership of the Census Bureau also urged the Commerce secretary to reject the addition of the citizenship question.

http://www.dailycomet.com/news/20180408/opinion-us-census-is-not-about-citizenship

 

[fskimospy]

True, but I was speaking more to the NIMBYism of the affluent liberal areas. NY has very specific affordable housing targets for all municipalities. Most of the affluent towns that went strongly for Clinton are the least compliant and most resistant. They want low income migrant workers to count, they just don’t want to live amongst them. It is this sort of hypocrisy I see almost daily.

Can you name these towns? My strong suspicion is that’s not true in the slightest.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Can you name these towns? My strong suspicion is that’s not true in the slightest.

Scarsdale
Briarcliff
Bronxville
Rye
Chappaqua
Armonk

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...housing-westchester-chappaqua-new-york-214360

http://www.westchestermagazine.com/Westchester-Magazine/April-2016/Home-Sweet-Affordable-Home/

 

[fskimospy]

Scarsdale
Briarcliff
Bronxville
Rye
Chappaqua
Armonk

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...housing-westchester-chappaqua-new-york-214360

http://www.westchestermagazine.com/Westchester-Magazine/April-2016/Home-Sweet-Affordable-Home/

So in other words Westchester County. That much I will give you, Westchester is horrible.

 

[Jhhnn]

True, but I was speaking more to the NIMBYism of the affluent liberal areas. NY has very specific affordable housing targets for all municipalities. Most of the affluent towns that went strongly for Clinton are the least compliant and most resistant. They want low income migrant workers to count, they just don’t want to live amongst them. It is this sort of hypocrisy I see almost daily.

So what? That doesn't justify efforts to under count specific groups in the census for political gain. It just doesn't.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So in other words Westchester County. That much I will give you, Westchester is horrible.

Yes, but this same dynamic is playing out in every affluent belt centered around urban centers across the country. You asked for specifics so those are the ones I am most familiar with.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Hey remember when opponents to this said the Trump admin wanted to add this question in an effort to undercount immigrants and they denied it? Wilbur Ross even told congress in testimony the DOJ wanted the question added and initiated the request?

Shocker. They lied. He lied. Their intent was exactly as suspected and it was driven partly By Kobach. The result would be undercounting immigrants depriving primarily democratic districts of millions in funding as well as propping up republican representation in districts with large immigrant populations by depressing the actual count of people in those districts.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/17/6488...uest-census-question-during-fbis-comey-matter

The Justice Department, which the Trump administration says needs the controversial citizenship question added to the 2020 census, initially did not want to make the request, according to newly unredacted portions of a memo.

The internal document was written for Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who oversees the Census Bureau and approved adding the question in March.

Ross has testified before Congress that the Justice Department "initiated" the request for the question, in order to better enforce the Voting Rights Act's Section 2 provisions against racial discrimination.

But memos and emails released previously as part of the lawsuits over the question already have contradicted Ross' testimony. They make clear that Ross was eager to add the question shortly after he was confirmed as commerce secretary in February 2017.

How is it dishonest?

Is the answer to that question any clearer now?

 

[HomerJS]

Hey remember when opponents to this said the Trump admin wanted to add this question in an effort to undercount immigrants and they denied it? Wilbur Ross even told congress in testimony the DOJ wanted the question added?

Shocker. They lied. He lied. Their intent was exactly as suspected and it was driven by Kobach apparently.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/17/6488...uest-census-question-during-fbis-comey-matter

Republican long term strategy...

Apartheid

 

[K1052]

Ross is so problematic that I wouldn't be surprised to see him resign (or be pushed out) if the Democrats take the House because he's going to be in such a shitload of trouble.