2020-2021 Coup Watch Thread

[sportage]

IF Donald Trump pulls this off, the reversal of an election, a coup, a perversion of democracy, with enacting a dictatorship and thus Joe Biden’s victory to be overturned, what would the remaining options be? And... would Joe Biden then simply concede saying that preserving the nation, avoiding chaos, avoiding violence and mass rioting is more important than any single election? And, with Joe also asking his people to simply let it go. That turning our nation upside down is simply not worth it? Let’s say Trump is successful and Joe Biden rolls over and plays dead for the good of the nation and asking his supporters to do the same, so what then? Well, some of my perceived options could be:

For states to secede from the union.
Some highly democratic states may have no alternative but to withdrawal from Donald Trump’s third world nation.

Civil war.
We have the guns, we have the outrage, and if Donald Trump got away with this we would have the motivation.

Bumper stickers. Lots of bumper stickers saying “NOT MY PRESIDENT”.

A purge. Just like with the movie, a mass purge of those who enabled Donald Trump. A messy opinion maybe, but a necessary one.

Any other ideas? Because I would be truly shocked if some 78 million Joe Biden supporters simply LET IT GO. If some 78 million Joe Biden voters simply rolled over and played dead. If some 78 million Joe Biden voters just brushed off the Trump overturning of an election by chalking it up as, OH THAT SILLY DONALD TRUMP, THERE HE GOES AGAIN. SILLY PRESIDENT.

 

[fskimospy]

IF Donald Trump pulls this off, the reversal of an election, a coup, a perversion of democracy, with enacting a dictatorship and thus Joe Biden’s victory to be overturned, what would the remaining options be? And... would Joe Biden then simply concede saying that preserving the nation, avoiding chaos, avoiding violence and mass rioting is more important than any single election? And, with Joe also asking his people to simply let it go. That turning our nation upside down is simply not worth it? Let’s say Trump is successful and Joe Biden rolls over and plays dead for the good of the nation and asking his supporters to do the same, so what then? Well, some of my perceived options could be:

For states to secede from the union.
Some highly democratic states may have no alternative but to withdrawal from Donald Trump’s third world nation.

Civil war.
We have the guns, we have the outrage, and if Donald Trump got away with this we would have the motivation.

Bumper stickers. Lots of bumper stickers saying “NOT MY PRESIDENT”.

A purge. Just like with the movie, a mass purge of those who enabled Donald Trump. A messy opinion maybe, but a necessary one.

Any other ideas? Because I would be truly shocked if some 78 million Joe Biden supporters simply LET IT GO. If some 78 million Joe Biden voters simply rolled over and played dead. If some 78 million Joe Biden voters just brushed off the Trump overturning of an election by chalking it up as, OH THAT SILLY DONALD TRUMP, THERE HE GOES AGAIN. SILLY PRESIDENT.

The answer to a successful coup is either to secede from the union or civil conflict.

 

[sportage]

The answer to a successful coup is either to secede from the union or civil conflict.

Thank you

 

[UNCjigga]

I like the part when Trump said he deserves to be President because, unlike the other “bought and paid for politicians”, he’s actually “been loyal to the special interests “.

He said the quiet part out loud again.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1329873920254644225

 

[sportage]

My concern is if this happened, with Donald Trump overturning an election, that Joe Biden would cave and suggest that Donald Trump be allowed to get away with it for.... the good of the nation. I can not see Joe Biden wanting to challenge or see Joe Biden suggesting that Americans should take action. Frankly, I’m worried about Joe.... I see another Barack Obama talking place here where Obama held this attitude that GOOD WILL would eventually prevail between himself and republicans. That never happened. And it took president Obama over six years of wishful thinking before president Obama finally realized GOOD WILL was not on the republicans agenda. Joe Biden apparently holds onto that same Obama wishful thinking.

Joe Biden should be in F-ing court, at this very F-ing moment, fighting for recognition of his victory and for the funding to be released for the Biden transition. But Joe isn’t doing that. Instead, Joe Biden is counting on the “good will” of republicans to prevail. I guess come January 21st when Joe is still in limbo that Joe will see things more clearly. Joe will realize that GOOD WILL nada gonna to happen when republicans are concerned. Why the F have Democrats always underestimated Mitch McConnell? Why do Democrats and especially Democrat president’s think that Mitch McConnell the snake has no bite? And, no poisonous venom? HUGE MISTAKE. Joe Biden can not afford to take on the grandpa approach when dealing with republicans, and certainly not when dealing with Donald Trump. We could come to the Fall of 2024 with Donald Trump still as president and president elect Joe Biden still waiting on the GOOD WILL from republicans, and for Donald Trump to concede.

 

[fskimospy]

My concern is if this happened, with Donald Trump overturning an election, that Joe Biden would cave and suggest that Donald Trump be allowed to get away with it for.... the good of the nation. I can not see Joe Biden wanting to challenge or see Joe Biden suggesting that Americans should take action. Frankly, I’m worried about Joe.... I see another Barack Obama talking place here where Obama held this attitude that GOOD WILL would eventually prevail between himself and republicans. That never happened. And it took president Obama over six years of wishful thinking before president Obama finally realized GOOD WILL was not on the republicans agenda. Joe Biden apparently holds onto that same Obama wishful thinking.

Joe Biden should be in F-ing court, at this very F-ing moment, fighting for recognition of his victory and for the funding to be released for the Biden transition. But Joe isn’t doing that. Instead, Joe Biden is counting on the “good will” of republicans to prevail. I guess come January 21st when Joe is still in limbo that Joe will see things more clearly. Joe will realize that GOOD WILL nada gonna to happen when republicans are concerned. Why the F have Democrats always underestimated Mitch McConnell? Why do Democrats and especially Democrat president’s think that Mitch McConnell the snake has no bite? And, no poisonous venom? HUGE MISTAKE. Joe Biden can not afford to take on the grandpa approach when dealing with republicans, and certainly not when dealing with Donald Trump. We could come to the Fall of 2024 with Donald Trump still as president and president elect Joe Biden still waiting on the GOOD WILL from republicans, and for Donald Trump to concede.

I do not see Biden doing this.

 

[gothuevos]

I do not see Biden doing this.

What are his options, though? Other than legal challenges, he's certainly not going to incite his followers to do anything.

 

[vi edit]

The argument I heard about Biden challenging legally is that it's the only real arrow he has there. And if he plays it to early, and they find that there isn't any legal case that Trump *has to* commit to a peaceful transfer of power then that arrow is gone. The concern is that there isn't any real legal definition or declaration about the presidential transition. We've operated on good faith in the past.

 

[fskimospy]

What are his options, though? Other than legal challenges, he's certainly not going to incite his followers to do anything.

I don't know exactly what he would do, it would probably depend on the response to the coup more generally. Sitting there and saying 'gee guys, I guess Trump won after all' is something I find very unlikely.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I see people are having trouble wrapping their minds around that a coup attempt is still a coup attempt even if it is very very dumb and executed by an incredible rogues gallery of nuts, charlatans, and grifters.

Coup’s don’t typically play out in courts and with vote recounts. Trump is running out of procedural options. The judiciary is blocking his avenues, as they have in previous elections.

 

[vi edit]

Coup’s don’t typically play out in courts and with vote recounts. Trump is running out of procedural options. The judiciary is blocking his avenues, as they have in previous elections.

What about sending GOP kneebenders from Michigan to the Whitehouse today to try and coax them into shenanigans? Does that count?

 

[gothuevos]

What about sending GOP kneebenders from Michigan to the Whitehouse today to try and coax them into shenanigans? Does that count?

Apparently PA lawmakers are next.

 

[K1052]

Coup’s don’t typically play out in courts and with vote recounts. Trump is running out of procedural options. The judiciary is blocking his avenues, as they have in previous elections.

The entire goal of the lawsuits is to create an atmosphere of doubt that would allow friendly state legislatures to appoint their own slates of electors. That's the coup.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What about sending GOP kneebenders from Michigan to the Whitehouse today to try and coax them into shenanigans? Does that count?

Not just Michigan. Coming out now they are trying to get PA lawmakers to the White House as well.

 

[fskimospy]

What about sending GOP kneebenders from Michigan to the Whitehouse today to try and coax them into shenanigans? Does that count?

Yeah I mean Trump's legal team has been pretty explicit that their goal is not to win court cases that will result in Trump's total popular vote exceeding Biden's in enough states to capture 270 electoral votes. Their strategy is to delay certification long enough for state legislatures to intervene and either award their electors to Trump directly or refuse to appoint any electors.

That's a coup.

 

[Starbuck1975]

The entire goal of the lawsuits is to create an atmosphere of doubt that would allow friendly state legislatures to appoint their own slates of electors. That's the coup.

That is the speculated fear. There was also fear of armed militias showing up on election day. Biden is playing it smart by letting Trump run out of runway.

 

[Starbuck1975]

What about sending GOP kneebenders from Michigan to the Whitehouse today to try and coax them into shenanigans? Does that count?

Again, procedural hail mary noise that will dead end

 

[fskimospy]

Guys he's just attempting a coup but it's okay because he won't succeed.

 

[K1052]

Guys he's just attempting a coup but it's okay because he won't succeed.

And if he does and destroys the republic then well whoopsies on me I guess.

Even though it's an unlikely outcome it is so severe that basically any risk above zero has to be taken deadly serious.

 

[nickqt]

Tucker Carlson bashes Trump attorney Sidney Powell for lack of evidence in fraud claims: ‘She never sent us any’



“We invited Sidney Powell on the show. We would have given her the whole hour,” Carlson said. “But she never sent us any evidence, despite a lot of requests, polite requests. Not a page. When we kept pressing, she got angry and told us to stop contacting her.”

Carlson also noted: “She never demonstrated that a single actual vote was moved illegitimately by software from one candidate to another. Not one.”

Maybe, just maybe, this is a sign that some Trump cult members are waking up to the fact that they're being duped. Gaslit. Conned.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/20/tucker-carlson-sidney-powell-fraud/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1COw1Cdcex4Oa13a06oMJ6pqmhhwyQkDnXF6wFzwmkVRStRjhL5GcHBDk

This is just like 2008-2009, when Republicans stopped running from the crimes they had committed just long enough to tear off their uniforms and put on TeaParty Tricorn hats and "Constitutional Conservative" t-shirts.

This is just a sign that the people who were last week torching the ship of state with Trump tiki-torches are stashing the torches and climbing into their lifeboats.

Burn The Lifeboats.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Guys he's just attempting a coup but it's okay because he won't succeed.

And we certainly shouldn't do anything about it because that might upset the feels of the deplorables and then they might be forced to vote for a Republican again even thought they totally don't want to.

 

[hal2kilo]

And we certainly shouldn't do anything about it because that might upset the feels of the deplorables and then they might be forced to vote for a Republican again even thought they totally don't want to.

Bothsides have always reacted this way after an election. Did I get that right?

 

[Amused]

Looks as though Trump struck out with the Michigan lawmakers he invited to the White House.

After White House meeting with Trump, Michigan lawmakers say they are not aware of information that would change election results

Michigan’s top two Republican lawmakers said after meeting with Trump at the White House Friday that they have learned nothing new to change the outcome of the election in their state.

“We will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan’s electors, just as we have said throughout this election,” Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey and Speaker of the House Lee Chatfield said in a joint statement issued late Friday.

The lawmakers traveled to Washington to meet with the president a day after his legal team held a rambling news conference on Capitol Hill making clear that president still hoped to reverse the outcome of the election. The lawyers – Rudolph W. Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and Sydney Powell – said one strategy would be to urge state lawmakers to block certification of Biden’s win and appoint Electoral College electors themselves who support Trump.

In their statement, the Michigan lawmakers also said that their state’s certification process should be “free from threats and intimidation.”

“Allegations of fraudulent behavior should be taken seriously, thoroughly investigated, and if proven, prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And the candidates who win the most votes win elections and Michigan’s electoral votes. These are simple truths that should provide confidence in our elections.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/20/joe-biden-trump-transition-live-updates/#link-DSSPUNZLIVDDPA3XESAGIXY7SE

 

[gothuevos]

Looks as though Trump struck out with the Michigan lawmakers he invited to the White House.

After White House meeting with Trump, Michigan lawmakers say they are not aware of information that would change election results

Michigan’s top two Republican lawmakers said after meeting with Trump at the White House Friday that they have learned nothing new to change the outcome of the election in their state.

“We will follow the law and follow the normal process regarding Michigan’s electors, just as we have said throughout this election,” Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey and Speaker of the House Lee Chatfield said in a joint statement issued late Friday.

The lawmakers traveled to Washington to meet with the president a day after his legal team held a rambling news conference on Capitol Hill making clear that president still hoped to reverse the outcome of the election. The lawyers – Rudolph W. Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and Sydney Powell – said one strategy would be to urge state lawmakers to block certification of Biden’s win and appoint Electoral College electors themselves who support Trump.

In their statement, the Michigan lawmakers also said that their state’s certification process should be “free from threats and intimidation.”

“Allegations of fraudulent behavior should be taken seriously, thoroughly investigated, and if proven, prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And the candidates who win the most votes win elections and Michigan’s electoral votes. These are simple truths that should provide confidence in our elections.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/11/20/joe-biden-trump-transition-live-updates/#link-DSSPUNZLIVDDPA3XESAGIXY7SE

Let's see...actions will speak louder than words.

 

[dawp]

I don't know exactly what he would do, it would probably depend on the response to the coup more generally. Sitting there and saying 'gee guys, I guess Trump won after all' is something I find very unlikely.

I doubt if trump actually pulls it off, which I don't think he will, Biden won't get a chance. once the trump grabs power that way all bets are off, he'll have Biden arrested.