Credit to Raffensperger. He appears to be a bona fide member of the GOP with integrity. Which shouldn't be remarkable, but is anyways.
nickqt
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I mean, the bar for a GOP politician to have any integrity is that the GOP politician isn't going to overthrow an election to install a dictator.
Really highlights their "limited government" policies.
With another pointless bullshit lawsuit-
Voters get a chance to correct the information on the envelope, not the ballot. Now that they're separated, there's no way to tell how anybody voted, anyway, quite by design.
I think the primary thing protecting us is the fact that Biden won a broad victory. I do wonder if it came down to a single state if the Republican attempts at a legislative/judicial coup wouldn’t succeed.
I hope, probably in vain, that this election causes America to reconsider our idea of regulation through litigation. It’s a terrible idea that has wide reaching consequences.
trenchfoot
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Repubs really don't care how they acquire power nor do they care how they hang on to it and why they think it's OK for their side to engage in any means at their disposal that they can get away with, as if there is some unspoken law giving them exclusive right to transgress at will all while considering anyone outside of their clan to be treasonous traitors if they would commit any of the same nefarious things these folks from the clan of Trump are notoriously known for.
These people have accepted and now approve of these malicious means and modes that Trump and McConnell have used over these past years because they see these ploys as their last desperate acts toward prolonging their grip on the gov't and a means to control the nation from a minority party status through their packed courts.
As the past two election cycles have shown, the only way to defeat these malevolent criminal acts the Repubs have resorted to is to overwhelm them with votes in such a convincing fashion as to prevent the Repubs from litigating, nitpicking and contorting the plain facts of their losses into their favor.
These people have accepted and now approve of these malicious means and modes that Trump and McConnell have used over these past years because they see these ploys as their last desperate acts toward prolonging their grip on the gov't and a means to control the nation from a minority party status through their packed courts.
As the past two election cycles have shown, the only way to defeat these malevolent criminal acts the Repubs have resorted to is to overwhelm them with votes in such a convincing fashion as to prevent the Repubs from litigating, nitpicking and contorting the plain facts of their losses into their favor.
nickqt
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68,000 votes in PA
+
14,000 votes in GA
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82,000 votes
82,000 votes
+
1 unfaithful EC voter
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House Contingent Election
House Contingent Election
+
House
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4 More Years
So, two states and it wouldn't even need the judiciary, just a normal, operating Electoral College filled with who the fuck knows who, really.
Factor in the 11,000 votes in AZ, and it comes down to 93,000 votes in 3 states. I guess it's a broad win, but it ain't very deep.
Vic
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It's a moot point. Trump has to turn it around in at least 3 swing states, which obviously won't happen.
nickqt
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What math? I'm using approximate votes from PA, GA and AZ. PA +68,000 votes (20 EC), GA + 14,000 votes (16 EC), AZ + 11,000 votes (11 EC). I'm not using a calculator, but that's about 93,000 votes from 3 states (47 EC).
Without those 93,000 votes (47 EC) Trump wins.
If Biden loses PA and GA, or 82,000 votes, then its Biden +270 EC Trump +268 EC. One faithless EC voter and its 269-269,. and it goes to the House.
The House Contingent Election would be 1 vote per State, with a majority controlled by Republicans. A Trump win. That's without the judiciary or military having to step in.
What am I missing? I'm using CNN numbers.
It doesn't. The 3 closest states are AZ at 10K, GA at 14K & WI at 20K, which is only 44K votes. Flipping those 3 would result in a tie, which won't happen.
UNCjigga
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Add Michigan to the list of states that may not certify their results in time to choose electors—potential for Mich GOP legislature to choose electors instead.
K1052
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State canvassing board is going to do it for them. But yeah it's clear the GOP on the Wayne County one wants to toss out the black vote from Detroit.
I like how Palmer said she'd be willing to certify the results of Wayne County *outside* of Detroit. Call me crazy, but I'm starting to think that there the GOP may not be *entirely* committed to the principles of democracy.
So far as it goes, if it gets deadlocked by the state board, the courts will apparently have their say before the state legislature gets their chance to overturn the will of the people.
So far as it goes, if it gets deadlocked by the state board, the courts will apparently have their say before the state legislature gets their chance to overturn the will of the people.
Votes from the (White) suburbs are perfectly fine, everyone knows the GOP would never lie, cheat, or try to steal an election...publicly and openly... while falsely claiming it was the other side trying to steal the election, right?
In further news, Trump has fired the head of US cybersecurity for publicly disputing Trump's delusions, as Trump continues his rampage to dismantle US national security capabilities from within. Trump stooge replacement still to be announced, they haven't found a Trumpian that can even spell cybersecurity yet to take on the role.
www.cnn.com
Putin had no comment on his alleged role in the firing at press time.
Trump fires director of Homeland Security agency who had rejected President's election conspiracy theories
President Donald Trump on Tuesday fired the Department of Homeland Security official who had rejected Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud.
www.cnn.com
Putin had no comment on his alleged role in the firing at press time.
In further news, Trump has fired the head of US cybersecurity for publicly disputing Trump's delusions, as Trump continues his rampage to dismantle US national security capabilities from within. Trump stooge replacement still to be announced, they haven't found a Trumpian that can even spell cybersecurity yet to take on the role.
Trump fires director of Homeland Security agency who had rejected President's election conspiracy theories
President Donald Trump on Tuesday fired the Department of Homeland Security official who had rejected Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud.
Putin had no comment on his alleged role in the firing at press time.
This administration has made it clear that the President cannot be allowed to fire at will for IG and other important positions without oversight.
GodisanAtheist
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This whole thread feels like I'm taking crazy pills. Is this what going insane feels like?
I really can't tell what's going to happen. The suspense of it all is seriously stressful. Firstly there still seems a very remote outside-chance he'll try some sort of constitutional-coup (true, if that's the plan, it's not going at all well, but he and the Republicans don't seem to have entirely given up on the idea either, they are still doing just enough to keep it on the table). And second, if that doesn't happen, just how undignified will his final walk-of-shame actually be? How is he physically going to leave the Whitehouse?
Oh, and if and when he does go, how will his hard-core followers react?
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Are we in states rights matter mode or not? It's been a bit since I've got my orders from Fox News.
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