2018 Midterm Election Results

[SlowSpyder]

Was this the Blue Wave™, the Democrats flexing, their high water mark for the Trump era?


Hope Ruth Ginsburg retires soon.

 

[Commodus]

Fully agree. Trump got a huge boost from the anti PC side. Biden being blunt and honest would nullify Trump's advantage there. Mix that with the Dems voting record on voting during pres elections, and its a great combo. I think Biden beats Trump easily.

I have to admit, I also love the image of Biden and Trump squaring off in a debate. Biden would not take any of Trump's shit. Not that Clinton did either, strictly speaking, but Biden would tear Trump a new asshole where Clinton was still acting as if there might be some civility.

 

[fskimospy]

Depends on who leads that charge and is most vocal. Trump could easily twist this to a second term.

I don't find this to be a compelling argument. Congress has a job to do and they need to start doing it. If it turns out that Trump is able to turn the revealing of massive corruption by him and his associates into another electoral victory then he was going to win anyway.

 

[Commodus]

Was this the Blue Wave™, the Democrats flexing, their high water mark for the Trump era?


Hope Ruth Ginsburg retires soon.

It's part of the wave. Just wait until you see what happens when House Republicans can no longer hide the full extent of Trump's corruption. And of course, there's 2020, when there's a real chance the Dems will take the presidency and possibly the Senate as well. If they get all three... well, virtually all of Trump's policies get erased forever like the mistakes they are.

 

[vi edit]

I spent 25 years in downstate IL. The remaining time in IA, NE and KY. Basically the heart of rural white America. This part of the US simply will not vote for a woman president. Regardless of what their party voting record was. If dems want to win anything in middle 'Murica they will run a white dude. They don't have to go full Trump on the rhetoric, but Biden would play better than most.

Warren and Harris would have flatline support here.

 

[SlowSpyder]

It's part of the wave. Just wait until you see what happens when House Republicans can no longer hide the full extent of Trump's corruption. And of course, there's 2020, when there's a real chance the Dems will take the presidency and possibly the Senate as well. If they get all three... well, virtually all of Trump's policies get erased forever like the mistakes they are.

Gotcha, the wave is coming in 2020 now.

 

[Viper1j]

Was this the Blue Wave™, the Democrats flexing, their high water mark for the Trump era?

Hope Ruth Ginsburg retires soon.

Good luck with that. She's already said she's staying until Donny go bye bye.

I have to admit, I also love the image of Biden and Trump squaring off in a debate. Biden would not take any of Trump's shit. Not that Clinton did either, strictly speaking, but Biden would tear Trump a new asshole where Clinton was still acting as if there might be some civility.

I'd like to see them square off in an octagon. For all his tough talk Battling Joe Biden would make Donny his little bitch.

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[Greenman]

I disagree. The constitutional duty of Congress is to oversee the conduct of the executive branch and the amount of corruption that has been allowed to happen unchecked over the last two years likely has no precedent in US history.

There should be new hearings every day and new subpoenas every day. Two years won’t be close to enough time to get through all the sleaze so it’s important to get started right away.

I think that will likely happen. I also think it will lead to the democrats losing badly in 2020.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Good luck with that. She's already said she's staying until Donny go bye bye.

- Unless her heart it brain say otherwise. She's no spring chicken and 2 years is a long time...

 

[fskimospy]

I think that will likely happen. I also think it will lead to the democrats losing badly in 2020.

So to be clear you think voters won't be mad about the corruption, they will be mad about people investigating it?

Allow me to register my sincere skepticism.

 

[Commodus]

Gotcha, the wave is coming in 2020 now.

No, it started in 2018. The Democrats can't complete it until 2020 simply because there aren't enough offices up for reelection until then. Remember, the Dems just took the House despite a limited number of available seats, Republican election rigging and the historical tendency for lower voter turnouts during midterms; throw in more seats, improved fairness (including that crucial Florida decision) and higher turnouts for presidential elections and things don't look good for the Republicans in two years.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There's going to be a recount in FL so Scott hasn't won just yet.

 

[Perknose]

I think that will likely happen. I also think it will lead to the democrats losing badly in 2020.

Why?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think that will likely happen. I also think it will lead to the democrats losing badly in 2020.

If they do vigorously investigate Trump and his associates and find no criminality? It's not going to help Dems at all, but considering that Trump has more people who have been convicted than I don't know how many past Presidents, I shouldn't bet that it's all out.

If the Dems prosecute with considerable success? The only people they'll lose are those who would allow Trump to shoot people in the street and that seems to be quite a few, but not a majority of voters.

 

[Greenman]

I'd suggest the Dems take cues from how Mueller and competent prosecutors work. Don't go Maxine Waters and attack Trump to only ultimately lose to him and harm our chances in 2020. We now have the power but many have fallen who wielded it unwisely. Trump is not a thinker, his base are cabbages, but the Rep leadership are sly old dogs.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have hearings and subpoenas but plan as prosecutors and go at Trump as if he were the head of the Mafia. Smart, public and ruthless, but don't trade smart for show.

That's not going to happen. It will end up being a circus. The only benefit will be that nothing else will happen on the federal level for the next two years.

 

[fskimospy]

If they do vigorously investigate Trump and his associates and find no criminality? It's not going to help Dems at all, but considering that Trump has more people who have been convicted than I don't know how many past Presidents, I shouldn't bet that it's all out.

If the Dems prosecute with considerable success? The only people they'll lose are those who would allow Trump to shoot people in the street and that seems to be quite a few, but not a majority of voters.

Yes, I think this is correct in that a lot depends on what they find. If they find little or nothing then it won't help them and could definitely help Trump. I think the odds of them finding little or nothing are... vanishingly small.

I mean the NYT had a story about a month back where they uncovered what looks to be tens or hundreds of millions of dollars in criminal tax fraud that Trump is implicated in, all just by looking at Trump's DAD. Can you imagine what they will find looking at his returns?

 

[fskimospy]

That's not going to happen. It will end up being a circus. The only benefit will be that nothing else will happen on the federal level for the next two years.

The Benghazi investigations were a circus and they cost Hillary Clinton the election.

 

[vi edit]

Why?

Dems are in a very precarious situation. Even with a majority in the house, they have *just enough* power to hang themselves and not enough to do any meaningful legislation. All of these new candidates got elected on messages of healthcare, middle class quality of life, ect. With GOP owning as much as they do in the senate, NOTHING is getting accomplished. Nothing. The next two years are nothing more than a circus as any meaningful governing is tossed out the window and a President who doesn't care, if not outright enjoys shouting whatever he wants from the rooftops trying to rile up the base and make the dems look incompetent.

Dems have to be *INCREDIBLY* focused on exactly what they they want to investigate and how they go about it. If they run around like a bunch of bumbling Inspector Clouseau's they just play into Trump's game.

Trump will win on messaging, even if he has no right to. He's the president. He has an unmoveable base. And the types of voters that he can pull from the independent category will buy into his bullshit.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's not going to happen. It will end up being a circus. The only benefit will be that nothing else will happen on the federal level for the next two years.

Remember that Trump wades in shit like Scrooge McDuck his gold. For maximal justice professionalism is required, however, Trump smells and finding he crapped illegal actions won't require the highest standard to prosecute.

 

[fskimospy]

Was this the Blue Wave™, the Democrats flexing, their high water mark for the Trump era?

Hope Ruth Ginsburg retires soon.

No, probably not. These were the results with basically every possible wind at Trump's back and so far the margins are really big in the Democrats' favor. Imagine the bloodbath if the economy goes south.

 

[realibrad]

Dems are in a very precarious situation. Even with a majority in the house, they have *just enough* power to hang themselves and not enough to do any meaningful legislation. All of these new candidates got elected on messages of healthcare, middle class quality of life, ect. With GOP owning as much as they do in the senate, NOTHING is getting accomplished. Nothing. The next two years are nothing more than a circus as any meaningful governing is tossed out the window and a President who doesn't care, if not outright enjoys shouting whatever he wants from the rooftops trying to rile up the base and make the dems look incompetent.

Dems have to be *INCREDIBLY* focused on exactly what they they want to investigate and how they go about it. If they run around like a bunch of bumbling Inspector Clouseau's they just play into Trump's game.

Trump will win on messaging, even if he has no right to. He's the president. He has an unmoveable base. And the types of voters that he can pull from the independent category will buy into his bullshit.

It would have to be so clean and well done that I just don't see how its possible. The moment on Dem does something that is considered political, it will give Trump and his supporters the opening to claim bias. Dems will then start arguing about intentions and not substance. This is what Trump does. He gets you to talk about him, and not the issue.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump's people are terrified as evidenced by Lyin Kellyanne today. The President now wants to work with Dems and has already proved he can. Why? Because the opioid bill was approved by them. When Trump leads, the Dems follow.

Good thing I wasn't drinking something or it might have shot out my nose.

 

[vi edit]

It would have to be so clean and well done that I just don't see how its possible. The moment on Dem does something that is considered political, it will give Trump and his supporters the opening to claim bias. Dems will then start arguing about intentions and not substance. This is what Trump does. He gets you to talk about him, and not the issue.

Schiff and Cummings (at least Cummings staff anyway) are incredibly intelligent, patient and persistent. Contrast that to bumbling fools Nunes, Jordan, Goodlatte, and Gaetz on the GOP side. I have faith in their ability. They just need to put a leash on Maxine Waters and not let her run too far ahead of the pack.

 

[fskimospy]

It would have to be so clean and well done that I just don't see how its possible. The moment on Dem does something that is considered political, it will give Trump and his supporters the opening to claim bias. Dems will then start arguing about intentions and not substance. This is what Trump does. He gets you to talk about him, and not the issue.

They will do that regardless but it's hard to see why that matters. It's strange to me that people think he has some sort of immunity idol so this stuff doesn't hurt him.

1) He's basically the most unpopular US president in history.
2) Despite having complete control of government for two years he accomplished almost nothing legislatively.
3) He just lost control of the House of representatives by a huge vote margin.
4) He was only saved the Senate by a historically favorable senate map.

People dislike him a lot and these antics only serve to make people dislike him more. The evidence is pretty unequivocal about that. If you guys think that him whining about how picked on he is will counteract people uncovering criminal activity well... I guess we'll have to see. I know I wouldn't bet on that.

 

[SlowSpyder]

No, it started in 2018. The Democrats can't complete it until 2020 simply because there aren't enough offices up for reelection until then. Remember, the Dems just took the House despite a limited number of available seats, Republican election rigging and the historical tendency for lower voter turnouts during midterms; throw in more seats, improved fairness (including that crucial Florida decision) and higher turnouts for presidential elections and things don't look good for the Republicans in two years.

The Democrats were likely to take the House (not abnormal in a midterm), they hoped to take the Senate. Ginsburg turns 86 in about four months...