2018 Midterm Election Results

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I did not follow Beto in TX, but, could the Dems do two white guys for 2020? I don't see the Dems doing that honestly. I would vote for Biden and Beto personally, but, I don't know if the party could do that.

If they want to win, yes. The end.

Two white dudes is the only way they get the now swingy PA, MI, WI, MN, IA votes. Both are genuine and compassionate and relate-able. They aren't hateful, misogynist or toxic personalities. They'll poll well with women and not turn away minority votes.
 

K1052

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I did not follow Beto in TX, but, could the Dems do two white guys for 2020? I don't see the Dems doing that honestly. I would vote for Biden and Beto personally, but, I don't know if the party could do that.

Given what appears to be Beto's strength with hispanics and African Americans along with educated white people. Yes, I think with him and Biden the Dems could do that all day long.
 

realibrad

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If they want to win, yes. The end.

Two white dudes is the only way they get the now swingy PA, MI, WI, MN, IA votes. Both are genuine and compassionate and relate-able. They aren't hateful, misogynist or toxic personalities. They'll poll well with women and not turn away minority votes.

All the polls we were seeing showed Bernie beating Hillary, and yet Hillary was the clear winner there. Do you think there has been a shift to trying to win, or, is your just a position that they must do that to win?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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That's actually interesting. Biden to pull them across the line in 2020. Groom Beto for 4 years and bow out in 2024 letting him run for the big ticket.

I'm in for that. Also, I don't wish harm on him but Joe has to know his hourglass is soon running out. If he runs he's bright enough to know what that means and he just might be content with Beto.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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Given what appears to be Beto's strength with hispanics and African Americans along with educated white people. Yes, I think with him and Biden the Dems could do that all day long.

I think Biden would be strong with those groups too. He is not flashy, he appears to speak honestly. He is pro gun, but, that is about the only think I can think of as a position that people on the Left might not like.

Also, I think he fits well with the anti-PC crowd. He is known for saying things that are true, but, are considered gaffs. I think post Trump that could be a strength for him.
 

Commodus

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That's a turd Kentucky can't seem to flush. She'll float back up again in a few years.

Mind you, if Davis resurfaces it'll likely be in a climate that's much more hostile to her (at least, on a federal level). Republicans wouldn't be as likely to parade her around as a symbol of how proudly bigoted they are.
 

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Mind you, if Davis resurfaces it'll likely be in a climate that's much more hostile to her (at least, on a federal level). Republicans wouldn't be as likely to parade her around as a symbol of how proudly bigoted they are.
this is republicans you're talking about, they parade their bigotry proudly, even if it hurts them.
 

Gryz

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425 representatives + 100 senators + 50 governors. That is a lot of politicians.
You got politicians of all colors. Women and men. Hetero- and homosexuals now too.

Got a question for you guys:

Is there even one of those 575 politicians who is an atheist ?
 

realibrad

Lifer
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425 representatives + 100 senators + 50 governors. That is a lot of politicians.
You got politicians of all colors. Women and men. Hetero- and homosexuals now too.

Got a question for you guys:

Is there even one of those 575 politicians who is an atheist ?

Should be at least 1, but, I don't see it likely for them to admit it.
 

ecogen

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425 representatives + 100 senators + 50 governors. That is a lot of politicians.
You got politicians of all colors. Women and men. Hetero- and homosexuals now too.

Got a question for you guys:

Is there even one of those 575 politicians who is an atheist ?

Privately or publicly? :p
 

Hayabusa Rider

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this is republicans you're talking about, they parade their bigotry proudly, even if it hurts them.

Then let them slit their metaphorical throats and give the victory to someone else. This is a kind of war even though the weapons aren't designed to draw real blood and war is a messy business.
 

Perknose

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425 representatives + 100 senators + 50 governors. That is a lot of politicians.
You got politicians of all colors. Women and men. Hetero- and homosexuals now too.

Got a question for you guys:

Is there even one of those 575 politicians who is an atheist ?
In America, an openly atheist politician . . . doesn't have a prayer.
 

Gryz

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Privately or publicly? :p
This question is enough to make me think that in essence the USA isn't that much different than Saudi-Arabia, Pakistan or any other Islamic country. I find it hard to believe: it's 2018, but it seems you are still living in the Dark Ages ......
 

Commodus

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I think Biden would be strong with those groups too. He is not flashy, he appears to speak honestly. He is pro gun, but, that is about the only think I can think of as a position that people on the Left might not like.

Also, I think he fits well with the anti-PC crowd. He is known for saying things that are true, but, are considered gaffs. I think post Trump that could be a strength for him.

The key with Biden is that there always seems to be honesty and reasonableness to go alongside his bluntness (whereas Trump just lies to you in a blunt way). He may be pro-gun, but he's not an irresponsible gun fetishist like many Republicans; his upbringing may mean that he doesn't like abortion, but he believes that's a personal choice, not something to force on others.

In essence, he supports Democratic values -- just in a way that makes it harder for Republicans to play up fears.
 

realibrad

Lifer
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This question is enough to make me think that in essence the USA isn't that much different than Saudi-Arabia, Pakistan or any other Islamic country. I find it hard to believe: it's 2018, but it seems you are still living in the Dark Ages ......

Um, you cant be openly atheist or you wont get elected. That is very different than being murdered. Seems some difference is there.
 

ecogen

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This question is enough to make me think that in essence the USA isn't that much different than Saudi-Arabia, Pakistan or any other Islamic country. I find it hard to believe: it's 2018, but it seems you are still living in the Dark Ages ......

Oh, I'm not American. But yeah, the US does have a religion problem, wouldn't go that far tho.
 

Starbuck1975

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I disagree. The constitutional duty of Congress is to oversee the conduct of the executive branch and the amount of corruption that has been allowed to happen unchecked over the last two years likely has no precedent in US history.

There should be new hearings every day and new subpoenas every day. Two years won’t be close to enough time to get through all the sleaze so it’s important to get started right away.
Depends on who leads that charge and is most vocal. Trump could easily twist this to a second term.
 

realibrad

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The key with Biden is that there always seems to be honesty and reasonableness to go alongside his bluntness (whereas Trump just lies to you in a blunt way). He may be pro-gun, but he's not an irresponsible gun fetishist like many Republicans; his upbringing may mean that he doesn't like abortion, but he believes that's a personal choice, not something to force on others.

In essence, he supports Democratic values -- just in a way that makes it harder for Republicans to play up fears.

Fully agree. Trump got a huge boost from the anti PC side. Biden being blunt and honest would nullify Trump's advantage there. Mix that with the Dems voting record on voting during pres elections, and its a great combo. I think Biden beats Trump easily.