2016 NFL draft and offseason thread: is Megatron HOF worthy?

[zinfamous]

He runs a 4.53 40 and can throw a 92mph fastball, are you fucking dumb? His raw talent is off the charts, he's just never had a good coach to refine it. He didn't get a 6 year 114mil contract (avg 19mil/year) + 12mil signing bonus because he's Matt Flynn.

I like how you argue for baseball talent. Hey, maybe he's playing the wrong sport. Eh, Major Derpinson?

Tell you what, he's got something that Sam Bradford will never have: starting a superbowl. 😀

I don't think you've ever watched Kaepernick play. He's got the brains of a squirrel when it comes to QBing. Oh you know what--of course you haven't. I don't think you even watch football or any sport. You stare at number charts and replace actual game knowledge with your silly numbers. This is why you make such blatantly stupid sportsing arguments every time you aim your posting fingers towards this threads.

 

[SP33Demon]

I like how you argue for baseball talent. Hey, maybe he's playing the wrong sport. Eh, Major Derpinson?

Tell you what, he's got something that Sam Bradford will never have: starting a superbowl. 😀

I don't think you've ever watched Kaepernick play. He's got the brains of a squirrel when it comes to QBing. Oh you know what--of course you haven't. I don't think you even watch football or any sport. You stare at number charts and replace actual game knowledge with your silly numbers. This is why you make such blatantly stupid sportsing arguments every time you aim your posting fingers towards this threads.

You're the dipshit who just compared Kaepernick to Flynn. :biggrin:

Kaep would be fine under Kubiak in a zone blocking scheme. FYI Kaep actually had flashes of brilliance like the Pitt game but as the season wore on he had zero talent around him (including coaching) so he just gave up. His main area of improvement that he needs to work on is under pressure which the Kubiak scheme can help solve with a run heavy approach. Kaep is like a Lamborghini being driven by a 90yr old, it's time to get him a formula 1 race car driver. I bet we will really see improvement in the 2nd half IF he takes less to play at Denver. Otherwise, it's going to take him a full year to learn chip's scheme and there will be some major growing pains due to the lack of talent around him (and his poor accuracy under pressure).

 

[vi edit]

He runs a 4.53 40 and can throw a 92mph fastball, are you fucking dumb? His raw talent is off the charts, he's just never had a good coach to refine it. He didn't get a 6 year 114mil contract (avg 19mil/year) + 12mil signing bonus because he's Matt Flynn.

That was max payout. It was heavily incentivized based on pro-bowl and superbowl appearances. Each year he didn't make those his bonuses went down 2 million. He was getting about half that 19million a year.

 

[smackababy]

For what it's worth, I don't think Kaep would do terrible under Kubiak at Denver. They are going to be running a run first, waste time, and don't fuck up long enough for Ware and Miller to destroy whatever QB is on the other side of the ball. Kaep is quick and athletic enough to extend some plays and can reasonably through the screens to Thomas and Sanders.

 

[Pocatello]

Don't try to reason with a Trump's supporter.

 

[Fingolfin269]

I'm so torn on the Titans #1 pick at this point. I was sold on Tunsil and still think he probably makes the most sense. But Ramsey looks legit. And he's from Nashville which in my opinion probably has some value (both tangible and intangible).

And of course we have already drafted 2 OL in the past 3 years. I know you draft to improve your team the best you can and not to appease the fan base but 3 OL in the (high) first round in 4 years is a little much imo.

 

[SP33Demon]

I'm so torn on the Titans #1 pick at this point. I was sold on Tunsil and still think he probably makes the most sense. But Ramsey looks legit. And he's from Nashville which in my opinion probably has some value (both tangible and intangible).

And of course we have already drafted 2 OL in the past 3 years. I know you draft to improve your team the best you can and not to appease the fan base but 3 OL in the (high) first round in 4 years is a little much imo.

It's probably going to be another OL if you believe what Robiskie said:

“A whole lot of what we talk about as a team is going to have to be about not only protecting the football, but protecting Marcus,’’ Robiskie said. “He’s a special talent, and we have to do all we can do to keep him upright.”

If DGB can make the 2nd year jump at WR + Delanie can keep his high level of production, then the Titans could be a decent team if Demarco can flash a semblance of his previous ability. That's a nice little core there when paired with a generational talent like Mariota. Now the defense... ugh.

 

[SP33Demon]

For what it's worth, I don't think Kaep would do terrible under Kubiak at Denver. They are going to be running a run first, waste time, and don't fuck up long enough for Ware and Miller to destroy whatever QB is on the other side of the ball. Kaep is quick and athletic enough to extend some plays and can reasonably through the screens to Thomas and Sanders.

Exactly, if they can get some solid draft picks to solidify that awful OLine and fill holes on D (like Trevathan) then they will still be very formidable.

Re: Kaep, allegedly word is that talks are in a stalemate between the 9ers and Broncos. I would take less money for a likely career revival if I were Kaep.

 

[smackababy]

Exactly, if they can get some solid draft picks to solidify that awful OLine and fill holes on D (like Trevathan) then they will still be very formidable.

While I did say Kaep could be good, so could quite a few other QBs that don't cost nearly as much.

Re: Kaep, allegedly word is that talks are in a stalemate between the 9ers and Broncos. I would take less money for a likely career revival if I were Kaep.

There is zero incentive for Kaep to take less money. Broncos have zero leverage for that. If he takes $4 million less and has a career ending injury, he's $4 million poorer. And, his value isn't exactly going to drop much barring a terrible injury in SF.

I'm so torn on the Titans #1 pick at this point. I was sold on Tunsil and still think he probably makes the most sense. But Ramsey looks legit. And he's from Nashville which in my opinion probably has some value (both tangible and intangible).

And of course we have already drafted 2 OL in the past 3 years. I know you draft to improve your team the best you can and not to appease the fan base but 3 OL in the (high) first round in 4 years is a little much imo.

Ask Cowboys fans just how much they disliked Jerry not being a moron and drafting safe OL picks the past few seasons... The fanbase will not care once you stop having 3 win seasons.

 

[glenn1]

I like how you argue for baseball talent. Hey, maybe he's playing the wrong sport. Eh, Major Derpinson?

Tell you what, he's got something that Sam Bradford will never have: starting a superbowl. 😀

I don't think you've ever watched Kaepernick play. He's got the brains of a squirrel when it comes to QBing. Oh you know what--of course you haven't. I don't think you even watch football or any sport. You stare at number charts and replace actual game knowledge with your silly numbers. This is why you make such blatantly stupid sportsing arguments every time you aim your posting fingers towards this threads.

Brains are overrated, look at the cannon on the dude - look at his pinpoint accuracy on a throw that must have been 60 yards through the air easy and still had enough mustard on it that it nearly knocked the guy out at the end of the throw.

Plus Johnny Football and Josh Gordon are living in a shared apartment in LA, that sounds like a great idea for two guys who will obviously commit themselves to ensuring the other is completely devoted to the craft of football. I see bright things in both their futures (police flashlights at at DUI checkpoint most likely)

ESPN reports free agent Johnny Manziel is living with Josh Gordon.
Manziel's assertion that he was living with Von Miller was quickly refuted, but this is more believable since it's not coming from the quarterback himself. If true, it's a bad look for Gordon, who, unlike Manziel, had at least created the impression he's gotten his life in order. If Manziel's recent TMZ interview is any indication, his seems to be spiraling further out of control. It's extremely unlikely Manziel makes any 2016 appearances.

 

[zinfamous]

Brains are overrated, look at the cannon on the dude - look at his pinpoint accuracy on a throw that must have been 60 yards through the air easy and still had enough mustard on it that it nearly knocked the guy out at the end of the throw.

😀

 

[glenn1]

Rams trade up to the #1 draft spot. That's a lot of cheese to move up for a QB who isn't a sure thing.

Rams acquired the No. 1, No. 113 and No. 177 overall picks of the 2016 draft from the Titans in exchange for picks Nos. 15, 43, 45 and 76 in this year's draft as well as first- and third-round picks next year.

The deal works out to two first rounders, two second rounders and two third rounders for a fourth rounder, a sixth rounder and a move up all the way up from No. 15 to the top spot. One of the second-round selections is the pick acquired in the Sam Bradford trade last year. With the top pick in hand, the Rams will almost certainly target either Cal's Jared Goff or North Dakota State's Carson Wentz, the top two quarterbacks in the draft. Despite consistently -- and ridiculously -- talking up Case Keenum this offseason, the Rams have finally taken the steps necessary to secure a true franchise quarterback.

 

[zinfamous]

Rams trade up to the #1 draft spot. That's a lot of cheese to move up for a QB who isn't a sure thing.

I like Goff and I definitely think he has potential to be a solid NFL QB, but probably not within the next 2 or 3 years and without some solid tutelage from a seasoned stud QB. This doesn't seem like #1 pick material. But who knows...maybe he becomes super badass and surprises everyone like Russell Wilson did (I guess that's impossible, considering how no one talked up Wilson going into and after that draft).

Part of me also hopes this backfires as some sort of cosmic justice for trading away that pick to the Skins and RG3. (still 100% the fault of the Skins, but whatever)

 

[SP33Demon]

Brains are overrated, look at the cannon on the dude - look at his pinpoint accuracy on a throw that must have been 60 yards through the air easy and still had enough mustard on it that it nearly knocked the guy out at the end of the throw.

The ball probably slipped out of his hand there. Kaep can make spectacular plays, he just needs proper coaching. He has the potential to be similar to ARod on broken plays by using his legs/arm to extend plays.

He can also make solid throws when he has protection like he did in his first year.

 

[Udgnim]

Rams trade up to the #1 draft spot. That's a lot of cheese to move up for a QB who isn't a sure thing.

Rams ensuring their franchise is going to stay bad for the next 5 years

 

[glenn1]

Brains are overrated, look at the cannon on the dude - look at his pinpoint accuracy on a throw that must have been 60 yards through the air easy and still had enough mustard on it that it nearly knocked the guy out at the end of the throw.

The ball probably slipped out of his hand there. Kaep can make spectacular plays, he just needs proper coaching. He has the potential to be similar to ARod on broken plays by using his legs/arm to extend plays.

Coaching like say, um, actually knowing how to read a defense so you can pass to a 1-on-1 situation (or in Kaepernick's case, two simultaneous zero-on-one situations)? Blake Bell at the top U Mad? Oooh, Torrey Smith at the bottom, He Mad. I still have mad respect for you man and our shared love for All Dressed Chips.

 

[Miramonti]

Coaching like say, um, actually knowing how to read a defense so you can pass to a 1-on-1 situation (or in Kaepernick's case, two simultaneous zero-on-one situations)? Blake Bell at the top U Mad? Oooh, Torrey Smith at the bottom, He Mad. I still have mad respect for you man and our shared love for All Dressed Chips.

Wow. Everyone makes mistakes but that's a complete lack of discipline to not check the coverages.

 

[zinfamous]

Wow. Everyone makes mistakes but that's a complete lack of discipline to not check the coverages.

That's not one bonehead failure. That was simply part of an entire season and a half of shitty QBing.

Kaepernick is pure dogshit as a real-game QB and there is more then enough statistical and game-time evidence to prove it.

Sp33d likes to look at paper, which is hilarious....especially when he picks paper that is limited to a 3-4 game stretch at the beginning of his starting career, when that SF team (A Smith's SF team) was generally unstoppable and no team had yet had a plan against Kaep, the 3-game pony.

 

[Pocatello]

Part of me also hopes this backfires as some sort of cosmic justice for trading away that pick to the Skins and RG3. (still 100% the fault of the Skins, but whatever)

I'm curious about what the Rams did with all those picks from the Redskins? The Rams haven't been to the playoff in a long time and they still need a good QB.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Happy Titans fan here. This is supposed to be a pretty stacked draft in the range where we now have a lot of picks. And we have a hell of a lot of holes. There's always the chance we could take 15 and a couple of the other picks and get back up into the top 7. That would definitely be a haul.

The best thing that could happen now is for the Rams to suck. New city. Rookie QB. Would be nice to have a top 5 pick courtesy of the Rams next season too.

 

[SP33Demon]

Coaching like say, um, actually knowing how to read a defense so you can pass to a 1-on-1 situation (or in Kaepernick's case, two simultaneous zero-on-one situations)? Blake Bell at the top U Mad? Oooh, Torrey Smith at the bottom, He Mad. I still have mad respect for you man and our shared love for All Dressed Chips.

It was most likely a designed play and maybe Kaep isn't allowed to audible there? Who knows. Easy for us to judge, but there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes regarding power. Yeah, he should've seen it but there could be a good reason he didn't (coaches told him to 100% run that play?).

Hell yeah, we should buy out your Food Lion of ALL the bags of chips. 😀

 

[lupi]

Harvin has joined the retirement train.


And schedule was released:

 

[glenn1]

Harvin has joined the retirement train.


And schedule was released:

Wow, SF is gonna get brutalized this year. With their lack of offensive players even the easiest games on their schedule (e.g the pathetic NO defense and underwhelming Bills) won't be cakewalks. And Niners-Rams score might not even get into double digits combined, the Rams are wretched offensively but they still have a scary good defensive line and the suck that is SF defense won't need much to stop the Rams.

If Carson Palmer is healthy then week 2 ARI @ NE should be a great game.

 

[akugami]

Philly schedule not that bad. Lots of road games late. On the plus side, we start week 1 with a pre-season game.

 

[smackababy]

Not looking forward to the start of the season for Dallas.