2015 NFL draft and offseason thread: How will the Browns screw up this year?

[Perknose]

Titans saved Chip from himself.


Funny thing is he is probably right from the standpoint of him being able to come in and run the system lights out. Would have been fantastic theater alas...

Whatever did happen, this offer did not:

The Eagles, who were widely expected to go all-in for Mariota, put a huge offer on the table, according to Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network. The reported offer, as described by Rapoport on Twitter, is insane:

Two first-round picks
One third-round pick
Fletcher Cox, the team's best defensive player
Brandon Boykin, nickel corner
Sam Bradford, starting quarterback
Mychal Kendricks, starting linebacker

 

[smackababy]

The Girls pick up Gregory.

I actually like this pick where it was. If he didn't have issue off field, Gregory would be taken much higher. Good value and exactly what the Cowboys need.

 

[manimal]

I actually like this pick where it was. If he didn't have issue off field, Gregory would be taken much higher. Good value and exactly what the Cowboys need.

ya totally agree. Cowboys also have a framework in place with their dez rules and they will just roll that over to him. If he keeps his nose clean for two years he can go back and smoke all day long again.



Fun draft. Bears picks were good and safe nothing totally mind blowing outside of Goldman sliding all the way to their second. I guess a second free first rounder isnt bad but the division got alot better. Viking and Lions and Packers all got better so the bears didnt really make that much progress.

Think it was a mistake to pass on Hundley at five. Packers picking him up is pretty hilarious.



Tons of teams did really good for themselves. 49ers did awesome, Raiders keep getting better among tons of other teams.



Patriots made a few wtf picks however.

 

[lupi]

Very interested to see how the Jets draft works out in camp. Including the trade made for Stacy, they got a body at every "need" position although it sounds like the QB and some of the linemen will take a couple years of work before anything can be expected from them on the field.


Didn't relaize until I heard someone talk about it, but week 1 is now Mariota @ Jameis.

 

[Carson Dyle]

Didn't relaize until I heard someone talk about it, but week 1 is now Mariota @ Jameis.

Assuming they both start in week one. The Bucs probably don't have a choice with Winston, but the Titans could start Mettenberger for a bit and ease Mariota into things.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Whatever did happen, this offer did not:

If the Eagles really did offer the Titans that package, the Titans were insane IMO not to take it. They probably could've negotiated that third-round pick into a second or perhaps another first if they gave up one or more of the players in that list.

 

[smackababy]

Assuming they both start in week one. The Bucs probably don't have a choice with Winston, but the Titans could start Mettenberger for a bit and ease Mariota into things.

If Mettenberger is still around. Word is his agent said they would demand to be traded if the Titans draft Mariota.

I think Mariota starts. You just turned down a lot of offers for what is supposed to be your franchise QB. Gut the offense to suit him and ease him into a pro style while letting him lose games. Give him a season of learning the hard way he ain't in college anymore and don't prop his ego up.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Not saying they are bad players, but relative to needs they were a reach. In CAR, Cam Newton needs an OL and weapons other than Kelvin Benjamin. Indy needs DL and a RB worth a damn since Bradshaw is gone. Completely baffled the Colts passed on Brown and let him slide to the Pats.

The Colts have Gore, Herron, and others at RB and are probably OK at that position for a couple of years. Drafting another WR was a dumb move IMO - or at least, drafting one that high was a dumb move. I did expect them to go for a WR in the 3rd or 4th round so this surprised me. They already have Hilton, Johnson, Moncrief, Carter and probably a couple of other scrubs at WR. It was a very questionable move IMO when you have other gaping holes (OL, DL, and missing a safety).

 

[Carson Dyle]

I think Mariota starts. You just turned down a lot of offers for what is supposed to be your franchise QB.

You're probably right. That's just how it's done these days.

Gut the offense to suit him and ease him into a pro style while letting him lose games. Give him a season of learning the hard way he ain't in college anymore and don't prop his ego up.

If they do start him, that sure a hell wouldn't be the objective - to crush his ego. A lot of young QBs today are ruined by being started too soon. Too many people argue that it makes little difference. I disagree. Head coaches don't have much choice these days because they're under pressure from the head office and the check writers. There just aren't enough quality QBs to go around the league, so you grab one, throw him on the fire, see if he burns. If he does, you grab another. Some teams have been doing that for ten, twenty, thirty years with little success.

 

[smackababy]

You're probably right. That's just how it's done these days.



If they do start him, that sure a hell wouldn't be the objective - to crush his ego. A lot of young QBs today are ruined by being started too soon. Too many people argue that it makes little difference. I disagree. Head coaches don't have much choice these days because they're under pressure from the head office and the check writers. There just aren't enough quality QBs to go around the league, so you grab one, throw him on the fire, see if he burns. If he does, you grab another. Some teams have been doing that for ten, twenty, thirty years with little success.

I think after what happened to RG3, the last thing they want to do is prop him up as the team's savior and then give him a little success.

I don't think they need to crush his ego, I just meant they don't need to treat him as this savior coming to turn their town into a winning organization. You had the second round pick for a reason... And it wasn't because you were just a QB away from being a good team.

Giving him a simplified offense and working him into a more pro style pocket passer will do him a lot of good. It will give him some confidence and still temper his expectations.

 

[Imported]

Finally caught up on some draft stuff.. teams were stupid to not spend a 7th on Collins. Most 7th rounders never make it and he was a sure fire 1st rounder prior to the incident.

 

[smackababy]

Finally caught up on some draft stuff.. teams were stupid to not spend a 7th on Collins. Most 7th rounders never make it and he was a sure fire 1st rounder prior to the incident.

The incident was he is a suspect in a murder investigation... It ain't like he smoked some weed or got a DUI. He might have murdered his girlfriend.

With that said, it is being reported he is visiting the Cowboys. =(

 

[Jimzz]

Finally caught up on some draft stuff.. teams were stupid to not spend a 7th on Collins. Most 7th rounders never make it and he was a sure fire 1st rounder prior to the incident.

Yea that is what I was thinking as well. Now teams have to compete for him yet if drafted worse case he does not like your team but you can trade to "his" team for more than you paid.

Even if he is arrested its a 7th round pick. You lose very little, but the chance of winning is great.

 

[Ban Bot]

Finally caught up on some draft stuff.. teams were stupid to not spend a 7th on Collins. Most 7th rounders never make it and he was a sure fire 1st rounder prior to the incident.

He likely would have refused to sign as that gives a team 4 years club control @ crap wages.

If he returns to the draft by holding out, if exonerated, he is likely a 1st or 2nd rounder next year.

Not being drafted was the next best thing outside of not being caught up in the issue (right or wrong we don't know) as a rookie free agent the club gets 3 years control with 4th year option. If he plays well after his 3rd year he can take offers from other teams which his club can match or not so he could hit his pay day quicker. He still loses millions by not being a 1st rounder but could recoup a large portion of that by hitting a big contract quicker.

Basically he had every incentive to hold out if drafted low.

 

[Ban Bot]

The incident was he is a suspect in a murder investigation... It ain't like he smoked some weed or got a DUI. He might have murdered his girlfriend.

With that said, it is being reported he is visiting the Cowboys. =(

And now it is being reported that he is now a Cowboy.

If he is innocent this is shrewd.

 

[smackababy]

And now it is being reported that he is now a Cowboy.

If he is innocent this is shrewd.

Saw this at lunch. If he does get off, hopefully he is a good addition.

 

[lupi]

Jags 1st round pick...out for the season, ACL.

 

[Perknose]

Saw this at lunch. If he does get off, hopefully he is a good addition.

So jelly. I admit, I sincerely hope both picks blow up in their face, Michael Irvin in a motel style.

Extra points if it's a Lance Rentzel situation. Lance, for those who don't know, pulled out his Little Lance in front of a 10 year old girl . . . while married to Joey Heatherton!

When the Boys came to Philly, we serenaded him with, "Lance, Lance, take down your pants!" :biggrin:

 

[Imported]

Jags 1st round pick...out for the season, ACL.

Before he even signed his contract.

 

[JujuFish]

And now it is being reported that he is now a Cowboy.

If he is innocent this is shrewd.

I was really hoping Buffalo would have gotten him to sign. Oh well.

 

[lupi]

He won't lose anything by not having a contract yet. All the rookies have max amounts and pretty much get slotted by draft order. The main change is that these contract often have insurance plans so if someone does have a long injury the team can get some money back and it will probably be difficult to get a retroactive one.

And now we also have a second ACL as the new bronco TE goes down.

 

[smackababy]

Before he even signed his contract.

I'm sure it is insured against injury (for the team), so they don't have a problem signing / paying him.

 

[Genx87]

I cant believe Jacksonville would be so short sighted they wouldnt sign their 1st round pick due to an injury 1 hour into his career.

 

[smackababy]

I cant believe Jacksonville would be so short sighted they wouldnt sign their 1st round pick due to an injury 1 hour into his career.

If for whatever reason Jacksonville doesn't sign him, someone else will the moment he is available.

 

[Perknose]

I cant believe Jacksonville would be so short sighted they wouldnt sign their 1st round pick due to an injury 1 hour into his career.

Since he signed the standard waiver before going to the mini camp, they have to continue negotiating in good faith as if he hadn't been injured. The upshot is that he'll get the exact same contract he would have if he hadn't been.

Whether or not Jacksonville has insurance that somehow covers their end of this is another matter, and hasn't been reported.