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2014 GT-R is $99,950

manimal said:
The technological rat race has become expensive. Sadly we cant have our pies and eat them too.
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IIRC, the GT-R was a loss leader/halo vehicle for Nissan. They must be raising the price to actually charge closer to what it costs them to make them.

I don't think there's anything in the '12/'13 GT-R that's truly new. Same gen, same motor, just super minor tweaks here and there. So there's no reason to raise the price by such a huge margin that's answered by what's actually in the car.
 
Arkaign said:
IIRC, the GT-R was a loss leader/halo vehicle for Nissan. They must be raising the price to actually charge closer to what it costs them to make them.

I don't think there's anything in the '12/'13 GT-R that's truly new. Same gen, same motor, just super minor tweaks here and there. So there's no reason to raise the price by such a huge margin that's answered by what's actually in the car.
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Pretty much my train of thought as well. For what your getting for the money it's still a good deal at $100k. Their just really isn't anything else like it on the market. Plenty of performance cars but nothing quite like it.
 
boomhower said:
Pretty much my train of thought as well. For what your getting for the money it's still a good deal at $100k. Their just really isn't anything else like it on the market. Plenty of performance cars but nothing quite like it.
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It's a horrible deal. The sticker price isn't that bad, but the maintenance cost is outrageous. A Porsche's maintenance cost seems dirt cheap in comparison. The car also seems extremely fragile as some report 6 launches using launch control will trash the clutch.
 
Ferzerp said:
I hadn't heard that. Neat. That was kind of a bloody nose for the car.
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IIRC, the dude who complained about warranty denial launched controlled his car several dozen times in ONE OUTING before the transmission went out. Nissan refused given the abuse. Still doesn't look good for them, but that guy sounded like an idiot.

Back on track, I think the GT-R is still a good bargain.

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JackBurton said:
It's a horrible deal. The sticker price isn't that bad, but the maintenance cost is outrageous. A Porsche's maintenance cost seems dirt cheap in comparison. The car also seems extremely fragile as some report 6 launches using launch control will trash the clutch.
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The launch control issue you're referring to was solved years ago, and while the maintenance costs were initially reported to be very high, they have proven not to be. E.g., the initial reports were that the oil would be stupidly expensive and thus an oil change would be hundreds of dollars, but in fact the cost is something like $150. This is still not cheap but only about 1.5 times the cost of, say, my E46 M3, which takes a special Castrol/BMW oil. The only cost that is somewhat unusual with the GTR is the cost of replacing transmission and diff fluids, which is something like $1,400. Early on Nissan set the service interval on this at about every 20K miles, but they have since doubled that interval. Meanwhile, the cars have proven very reliable, so in aggregate I wouldn't expect the maintenance costs to be higher than nearly any other car with roughly similar performance.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
The launch control issue you're referring to was solved years ago, and while the maintenance costs were initially reported to be very high, they have proven not to be. E.g., the initial reports were that the oil would be stupidly expensive and thus an oil change would be hundreds of dollars, but in fact the cost is something like $150. This is still not cheap but only about 1.5 times the cost of, say, my E46 M3, which takes a special Castrol/BMW oil. The only cost that is somewhat unusual with the GTR is the cost of replacing transmission and diff fluids, which is something like $1,400. Early on Nissan set the service interval on this at about every 20K miles, but they have since doubled that interval. Meanwhile, the cars have proven very reliable, so in aggregate I wouldn't expect the maintenance costs to be higher than nearly any other car with roughly similar performance.
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A ZR1 would be considerably cheaper for maintenance. The oil change might be close since you've got to replace 10.5 quarts with the dry-sump system but transmission fluid would be much less expensive.
 
I would wager that any person who is really shopping the gtr isn't worried about the cost to change fluids.

You guys crack me up.
 
manimal said:
I would wager that any person who is really shopping the gtr isn't worried about the cost to change fluids.

You guys crack me up.
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True. In the $100k range, fluid changes probably don't mean much. I guess coming from the much lower price brackets it boggles my mind that changing the tranny fluid would cost you $1400! That's 3x more than my first car. 😱
 
manimal said:
I would wager that any person who is really shopping the gtr isn't worried about the cost to change fluids.

You guys crack me up.
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Well, not any more.

$70k is in the semi-attainable price range for someone dedicated who makes say $50k a year and doesn't have kids/major bills to worry about. This type of buyer has a bit of a painful experience spending $2k+ for a set of tires, or $1k here, $800 there for various things. He will do it, but it's at the edge of his/her ability. A near-zero %/zero-down loan with 5 years, you have monthly payments in the ~$1200 range. Putting some savings down, say a 20 grand chunk, drops those payments to around $800.

$100k is starting to really get into the echelon of vehicle that you're talking about, where the buyers are almost universally those who have so much money that they truly don't care even if the costs are exhoribitant. And for the GT-R, they're really no worse than most similar vehicles, as you say. The ZR-1 is dirt cheap to run outside of tires and brakes, it's kind of an oddball in the price range. Similarly the old Viper was pretty cheap to operate, not sure about the new one.

Compared to a 350Z, it costs a ton of money to run a GT-R. Compared to say an F430, Aston V12, etc, probably not so much.
 
Elfear said:
True. In the $100k range, fluid changes probably don't mean much. I guess coming from the much lower price brackets it boggles my mind that changing the tranny fluid would cost you $1400! That's 3x more than my first car. 😱
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Why does it cost $1400 to change the trans fluid?

Is it because Nissan designs all its cars like its FWD cars, with large complex components crammed into tight spaces?
 
manimal said:
I would wager that any person who is really shopping the gtr isn't worried about the cost to change fluids.

You guys crack me up.
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Hahahahahaha... I'm guessing you were never a mechanic?
I had 1 guy bring me his S600 (V12 mercedes) maybe 15ish years ago. Complained that Mercedes wanted $150 for a EGR valve. I said oh thats not to bad. He wanted to know if I could just find a PCV valve that would fit where the EGR went to not have to pay for the part. I told him no and this guy was a surgeon who married a woman whos family had plenty of money yet was mad that his V12 Mercedes needed a $150 part.

Some of the cheapest people are those that have the most money.
 
Arkaign said:
Well, not any more.

$70k is in the semi-attainable price range for someone dedicated who makes say $50k a year and doesn't have kids/major bills to worry about. This type of buyer has a bit of a painful experience spending $2k+ for a set of tires, or $1k here, $800 there for various things. He will do it, but it's at the edge of his/her ability. A near-zero %/zero-down loan with 5 years, you have monthly payments in the ~$1200 range. Putting some savings down, say a 20 grand chunk, drops those payments to around $800.

$100k is starting to really get into the echelon of vehicle that you're talking about, where the buyers are almost universally those who have so much money that they truly don't care even if the costs are exhoribitant. And for the GT-R, they're really no worse than most similar vehicles, as you say. The ZR-1 is dirt cheap to run outside of tires and brakes, it's kind of an oddball in the price range. Similarly the old Viper was pretty cheap to operate, not sure about the new one.

Compared to a 350Z, it costs a ton of money to run a GT-R. Compared to say an F430, Aston V12, etc, probably not so much.
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this supposed person making $50K and spending $70K on a car would be a fvcking moron to do so
 
After seeing the new Stingray, I'd be hesitant about buying a high-end sports car without driving one first. Personally I can't wait to see the new Z06 equivalent package, that's going to be one hell of a car. If it's even close to speculated performance levels, I'll find a place for one in my garage.

I wouldn't be shopping for a GT-R anyway, the ride is much too firm for me. It's like driving a buckboard.
 
RichieZ said:
this supposed person making $50K and spending $70K on a car would be a fvcking moron to do so
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Why though? If that's their cup of tea and they pay their bills, I don't see why. I wouldn't do it, but for a single person with a passion for cars who lives frugally otherwise, it's their life, not mine or yours.
 
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