2014 Gasoline Price Forecast

[Londo_Jowo]

What happened to the so called experts statement that gas won't spike?

Oh that's right Dave said it was bullshit.

Guess who is right again and the duo idiots on here, make that a trio now are obviously lying about their sub $3 gasoline:

2-17-2014

http://247wallst.com/energy-economy/2014/02/17/gasoline-prices-above-3-in-all-50-states/

Gasoline Prices Above $3 in All 50 States

By Douglas A. McIntyre


In a sign that oil prices and an extremely cold winter have affected gasoline prices, those prices are now more than $3 per gallon for regular in all 50 states. Even states in which the prices tend to be pushed down by proximity to supply and refineries, prices have not remained below the threshold.


According to GasBuddy, only a few states have prices below $3.15. These include Montana, South Carolina, Utah, New Mexico, Louisiana, Mississippi, Wyoming, Missouri and Arkansas. Even oil-producing states Texas and Oklahoma have prices that have inched up toward $3.20. The average price of a gallon of regular nationwide is $3.34.


At the far end of the spectrum of high gas prices are several states that among them have well over a quarter of the nation’s population. The average price of a gallon of regular is above $3.60 in California and New York, and above $3.50 in Michigan, Illinois and Pennsylvania. In most cities along the coast between San Francisco and San Diego, the price has risen to more than $3.70.


Oil prices continue to sit above $100 a barrel. That is unlikely to change in the near term.

http://www.texasgasprices.com/Shell_Gas_Stations/Richmond/113096/index.aspx

No change here, four stations still under $3.00/gal. Same as last week and the week before that and the week before that and the week before that and the week before that and the week before that and the week before that.

 

[dmcowen674]

poor diluted conspiracy theorist.

Whats wrong with exporting a finished product for profit?

If Americans don't want to pay and others throughout the world will, it isn't a right for you to have cheap gasoline. period

Wow, just wow.

You are so wrong it's pretty pathetic.

The point is right there.

The people "throughout the world" getting the gasoline from the Oil Thugs are in fact not paying for it. We the Americans are.

You can go to a one of these Countries and get gasoline for 25 cents a gallon because we are paying the oil thugs $4 to give them the gas for 25 cents.

Why do you think that is right?

Oh, because you must be another one of the many in here that personally profits from this raping because you must work in this Oil Thug Industry.

Admit it, are you in fact an Oil Thug yourself?

 

[alkemyst]

Also keep in mind in the places in this country where gas is the cheapest, the incomes and quality of living are also usually so low that they cannot support any kind of higher gas pricing.

It's sort of an internal subsidy by the fuel companies in order to sell something their and probably also due to pressure from the State like insurers in Florida when they tried to exclude certain areas from Auto policies.

They that usually have $3 gas usually have everything else cheap including wages.

One can always get lucky and be the millionaire of a ghetto more or less. If that is luck, I guess.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by Meghan54
You really are a sack of shit, you know that?


But you're still a sack of shit calling me a liar. Care to come out here and say that to my face, you sack of bully shit? Or are you just going to hide behind your keyboard and spout that diarrhea of the mouth you seem to have? Come on over here....I'll give you my address.....and let you meet some of my "children"....my Chow, my Lab. They'd just love to greet a steaming pile of feces. They, like most dogs, love piles of moose poop, wolf poop, deer poop.....wonder what they'd think of a stacked pile of lying, thieving POS poop?

These kinds of posts are worthless without qualifying where you live.

This is the current GasBuddy heat map:

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

The range is <2.97 to >3.73 These include club pricing.

This is the averages:
http://www.gasbuddy.com/GB_Price_List.aspx by State and City

$3.069 to $4.043 and $3.050 to $3.970 respectively

He is retired and likes calling me a liar and a sack of shit and threatening me with feeding me to dogs.

He has a Michellin Man tire avatar.

Could it be that he is retired from an Industry that benefits from raping the American people?

Naw, couldn't be.

 

[Doppel]

Good

How do you like getting the same shit you guys give me?

Don't like it much do you?

This is mcowen admitting that he was wrong AND that he's a troll both at the same time.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Originally Posted by Meghan54
You really are a sack of shit, you know that?


But you're still a sack of shit calling me a liar. Care to come out here and say that to my face, you sack of bully shit? Or are you just going to hide behind your keyboard and spout that diarrhea of the mouth you seem to have? Come on over here....I'll give you my address.....and let you meet some of my "children"....my Chow, my Lab. They'd just love to greet a steaming pile of feces. They, like most dogs, love piles of moose poop, wolf poop, deer poop.....wonder what they'd think of a stacked pile of lying, thieving POS poop?



He is retired and likes calling me a liar and a sack of shit and threatening me with feeding me to dogs.

He has a Michellin Man tire avatar.

Could it be that he is retired from an Industry that benefits from raping the American people?

Naw, couldn't be.

He gave you the address where he lives and the two stations he took picture of have the same price as shown southcarolinegasprices.com

http://www.southcarolinagasprices.com/Abbeville/index.aspx


Pure freaking ownage of McOwned!!!!!

 

[Meghan54]

He is retired and likes calling me a liar and a sack of shit and threatening me with feeding me to dogs.

He has a Michellin Man tire avatar.

Could it be that he is retired from an Industry that benefits from raping the American people?

Naw, couldn't be.

No, couldn't be. The avatar represents the fact I really, really like Michelin tires. And if you've ever paid attention to my avatars, I've had one of my boats for the longest time as one avatar, once it was Marvin the Martian, among others. I just like the Michelin Man and really like their tires. So sue me.

I'm a retired RN, specialized in ICU (mostly surgical with most of that being spent in cardiovascular/open heart surg. recovery) and ER. Am a CCRN and loved the work. Unfortunately, after I developed Crohn's, I had to retire from the profession. Loved it, tho.

And I'm not the one that's spewing non-factual and outdated information, like you did in your post about:

Obama&#8217;s Goal Is &#8216;$8 or $9 a Gallon&#8217; Gas

Which was nothing more than dredging up a 2 year old campaign speech/diatribe by a failed Republican candidate during a failed Presidential campaign bid.

And they still let you back in GA after what you did? Surprising.

 

[Meghan54]

And, ummm, I never threatened you with my dogs, Dave. I was WARNING you they are quite defensive and protective of our property, esp. when the wife is home.

Of our four dogs, the Chow and the half-Lab/half-Chow are the ones to watch out for. They both have taken protecting the property and the wife VERY seriously.

I warn everyone that comes onto our property to watch out for the dogs.....if I haven't had time to put them into our bedroom. They've never done a single thing to anyone, but they have prevented strangers from exiting their vehicles until I get them in the house.

It was only a warning, much like a DOGS HERE sign when you come onto someone's property. No threat at all. Just a head's up.


And here's the motley crew:

Left to right......Jessica, the Chow (~55# but 11 years old), Ginger the Golden mix, Crissie the half-Lab/half-Chow (~75# and takes after Jessica in her guardi-ness), and Meghan, an Aussie cattle dog. All our babies....love them all.

 

[alkemyst]

He gave you the address where he lives and the two stations he took picture of have the same price as shown southcarolinegasprices.com

http://www.southcarolinagasprices.com/Abbeville/index.aspx


Pure freaking ownage of McOwned!!!!!

You guys are too focused on very specific outliers as proving high gas prices wrong.

Even when premium was approaching $5/gallon in areas around 2008, in these arm pits of America gas was still very low compared to elsewhere simply due to the economy in these cesspools simply not being able to support anything higher.

Also what he is trying to show and already people missed, is that 'shortages' are not true. People here love to make this statement in any diamond thread, but they have their heads in the sand when it comes to gas/fuel pricing.

It's funny really, they simply think what happens on their 'block' is the reality of the nation.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You guys are too focused on very specific outliers as proving high gas prices wrong.

Even when premium was approaching $5/gallon in areas around 2008, in these arm pits of America gas was still very low compared to elsewhere simply due to the economy in these cesspools simply not being able to support anything higher.

Also what he is trying to show and already people missed, is that 'shortages' are not true. People here love to make this statement in any diamond thread, but they have their heads in the sand when it comes to gas/fuel pricing.

It's funny really, they simply think what happens on their 'block' is the reality of the nation.

Actually there can be short term shortages and disruptions due to the location of refineries and means of fuel transport (pipelines and trucks). As well as issues in regions that require a fuel (specific additives) that's only refined by a few refineries in the region and one of those refineries goes down.

 

[alkemyst]

Actually there can be short term shortages and disruptions due to the location of refineries and means of fuel transport (pipelines and trucks). As well as issues in regions that require a fuel (specific additives) that's only refined by a few refineries in the region and one of those refineries goes down.

Again, these are outliers.

 

[Meghan54]

Also keep in mind in the places in this country where gas is the cheapest, the incomes and quality of living are also usually so low that they cannot support any kind of higher gas pricing.

It's sort of an internal subsidy by the fuel companies in order to sell something their and probably also due to pressure from the State like insurers in Florida when they tried to exclude certain areas from Auto policies.

They that usually have $3 gas usually have everything else cheap including wages.

One can always get lucky and be the millionaire of a ghetto more or less. If that is luck, I guess.

Keep telling yourself that.....it may come true, at least in your own mind.

While true the southern states have typically lower wages, our tax burden is lower, and I'd be willing to bet our quality of life is every bit as good as anywhere else. I know in SC I'm enjoying as good a life as we did on Cape Cod, a much higher cost living environment.

And quality of life takes on different meanings for different people. I don't value having bars as being very valuable. I do value privacy and value for my money. So why live in a high tax state that returns very little except high costs for everything, esp. since we're retired? I wanted good fishing close by and from where we live, I have two very fine lakes, one 10 min. away, one 15 min. away...and that one is reputed to be the largest fresh water impoundment east of the Mississippi...Clark's Hill Lake.

Cheap electricity, cheap nat. gas, cheap taxes, reasonable climate, low property taxes, everything we need close at hand. Heck, while I do have to drive a little over 1.5 hours to get to them, I have both a Microcenter and Fry's accessible. And that also includes access to Atlanta, which has everything.



But I doubt I'd be able to buy 3 acres of land and a 1700 sq. ft. house for well under $100K like we did down here up on the Cape or anywhere else in the NE that's even remotely livable. Maybe in the sticks in Maine.

But living is all relative. I used to love the big cities and I lived in the NoVA/DC area once, along with just outside Boston. But cannot stand the traffic, congestion, living right against my neighbor, etc., etc. If that's a good quality of living, you can have it.

Heck, we're thinking of putting in a 1/2 acre pond in the backyard. Try that in the city or 'burbs.

Yeah, we'll take our "ghetto" living and laugh all the way to the bank.

And don't forget, outside our "cesspool", you're paying fuel taxes much higher than we are. SC's state fuel tax is 16.8 cents/gal. IN---38 cents/gal. IL---39.1 cents/gal.

Heaven forbid you are in NY or CA.....NY's state fuel tax is 50.6 cents/gal. CA's is 48.7 cents/gal. And those figures are only state taxes and do not include the 18.4 cents/gal federal tax everyone pays. So, a lot of higher fuel costs are really due to taxes.

Source of figures above: http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-gasoline-tax-rates-2009-2013


BTW, Alky, don't you live in FL? A truer definition of cesspool and armpit of the nation is not found except when describing NJ. After living in Tampa, FL for 3 years, I think FL justly deserves its armpit designation for the south.

And which trailer park to you live in, anyway? I do hope you at least bought a Palm Harbor.....or maybe that brand is just a tad out of reach for you?

 

[MagickMan]

Just curious, I thought US production was rising and we were pumping out more now than the last three decades? Did I miss something? North Dakota? Texas? California? On top of that, US gasoline usage is down to near a 20 year low (IIRC). Looks like rising supply and falling demand? (serious question).

Edit: Seems the quote above was about propane. Sorry, I though it was about gasoline and crude oil in the US. Nevermind my questions above.

No harm, no foul. Rules for propane extraction are different, it's often a by-product of oil drilling and unless you use very expensive means, it's lost when we extract crude. The laws are different and it's more dangerous to handle, so only a fraction of it is ever collected up for use.

 

[MagickMan]

Good

How do you like getting the same shit you guys give me?

Don't like it much do you?

You get shit because you're an idiot and a known liar (who has been vacationed for it).

 

[dmcowen674]

And, ummm, I never threatened you with my dogs, Dave. I was WARNING you they are quite defensive and protective of our property, esp. when the wife is home.

Of our four dogs, the Chow and the half-Lab/half-Chow are the ones to watch out for. They both have taken protecting the property and the wife VERY seriously.

I warn everyone that comes onto our property to watch out for the dogs.....if I haven't had time to put them into our bedroom. They've never done a single thing to anyone, but they have prevented strangers from exiting their vehicles until I get them in the house.

It was only a warning, much like a DOGS HERE sign when you come onto someone's property. No threat at all. Just a head's up.


And here's the motley crew:

Left to right......Jessica, the Chow (~55# but 11 years old), Ginger the Golden mix, Crissie the half-Lab/half-Chow (~75# and takes after Jessica in her guardi-ness), and Meghan, an Aussie cattle dog. All our babies....love them all.

They look like a nice crew. I miss my two dogs Pepper and Chloe.

I know I will see them again on the other side of the Rainbow Bridge someday.

I doubt you would have to put them up. They can sense other dog people.

So let's review.

I post gas prices the same as Engineer posts.

You claim they are wrong even with the backing of other posters on here and the writer of an article.

You jump on the bandwagon with two other anonymous posters in here that admit to be lying and out just for me including egging on management of the site with bullshit on me.

Other than looking like an old cranky retired guy out to get me for some unknown reason what did you gain?

Did it help your blood pressure to to try and help the Oil Thug Industry in some way?

Do they need help from an old retired guy posting from the cheap southern state of South Carolina?

It's not like you are in Texas which protects it's interests in the Industry that makes them the super power that they are on the back of Americans.

 

[alkemyst]

Keep telling yourself that.....it may come true, at least in your own mind.

While true the southern states have typically lower wages, our tax burden is lower, and I'd be willing to bet our quality of life is every bit as good as anywhere else. I know in SC I'm enjoying as good a life as we did on Cape Cod, a much higher cost living environment.

I spent some time in South Carolina, your roads suck, half the places don't even have street lights. I am not saying the state is terrible as a whole...they actually out rank Florida as a 'state', but I am sure where those <$3 gas prices are are not the high ticket neighborhoods

You are a retiree and I am assuming have disability and some other cash cow (like the property you brag about selling). This puts one in the perfect spot to go cash in on some nice beachfront in an area that has jobs that wouldn't support that for most.

In all fairness, if I was finally sitting on a net worth that would generate $100-200k of income, I'd not look in Palm Beach County only. There are some really good deals though to be had here as during the boom some really nice places went up that just became rentals more or less and they are turning back into residential neighborhoods. My area is under a huge re-development. I am still upside down, but I have gone from being 1/4 of what I paid to now around 1/2. Historical street signs just went up here and they are pouring money into the intercoastal area a few blocks away. Since the new drawbridge is open, I have been spending a lot of time down that way. The two breakfast places had 45-60 min waits at 11:30am this Sunday and a line about 100 people deep.

South Carolina as a whole is pretty damn crappy. You have never qualified where you live there really though.

Are there nice places to live? Sure, much like any state.

And quality of life takes on different meanings for different people. I don't value having bars as being very valuable. I do value privacy and value for my money. So why live in a high tax state that returns very little except high costs for everything, esp. since we're retired? I wanted good fishing close by and from where we live, I have two very fine lakes, one 10 min. away, one 15 min. away...and that one is reputed to be the largest fresh water impoundment east of the Mississippi...Clark's Hill Lake.

Cheap electricity, cheap nat. gas, cheap taxes, reasonable climate, low property taxes, everything we need close at hand. Heck, while I do have to drive a little over 1.5 hours to get to them, I have both a Microcenter and Fry's accessible. And that also includes access to Atlanta, which has everything.

You still have STATE TAX which is a big thing for most.

I do agree you have the tangibles that are of value to you and as a retiree that gives you a lot of power to be selective. If I wanted to keep a six figure salary, South Carolina would be a hard market to do that. Sure, make less and things also cost less sort of works some of the time, but in SC I'd have a less high standard of life as the average salaries while higher than down here actually in reality are much less if you know what you are doing.

I wasn't trying to get in a pissing match by any means. I was just looking for you to clarify and understand that you have a sort of very special circumstance. You have income that doesn't require working where you live. That is VERY POWERFUL.

I am also a simple guy, I like the beach/coastal living. I am not a foodie nor a coffee drinker everyday, but something about having a nice meal and a cup on table overlooking rolling waves and seagulls/sand pipers/etc is very relaxing to me. I like a good sex life, good conversations with friends on the weekends/some nights during the week, and a place I can have pets. I want fast internet and a decent grocery store, I buy almost everything else online. I want nice roads so I can go on spirited drives at times. I could live with a mom and pop eatery instead of the latest Soup du Jour chain.

I don't think we are in disagreement here.

But I doubt I'd be able to buy 3 acres of land and a 1700 sq. ft. house for well under $100K like we did down here up on the Cape or anywhere else in the NE that's even remotely livable. Maybe in the sticks in Maine.

But living is all relative. I used to love the big cities and I lived in the NoVA/DC area once, along with just outside Boston. But cannot stand the traffic, congestion, living right against my neighbor, etc., etc. If that's a good quality of living, you can have it.

Heck, we're thinking of putting in a 1/2 acre pond in the backyard. Try that in the city or 'burbs.

I agree again. However, there is a HUGE reason why property is cheap. You have the perfect situation to flex that though.

Yeah, we'll take our "ghetto" living and laugh all the way to the bank.

And don't forget, outside our "cesspool", you're paying fuel taxes much higher than we are. SC's state fuel tax is 16.8 cents/gal. IN---38 cents/gal. IL---39.1 cents/gal.

Heaven forbid you are in NY or CA.....NY's state fuel tax is 50.6 cents/gal. CA's is 48.7 cents/gal. And those figures are only state taxes and do not include the 18.4 cents/gal federal tax everyone pays. So, a lot of higher fuel costs are really due to taxes.

Fortunately you don't have to deal with state income taxes in your situation though AFAIK. That's a big deal breaker a lot of times as those on W2 and other type of income see State tax taken.

Our fuel taxes here are all over the place. If you have the time (and the right vehicle) you can literally drive a bit out of the way and cash in on drastic county to county changes at times. Since I drive a ton, I select where I fuel up. It not a drastic life-changer, but could be as much as .25/gallon. Percentage-wise that is huge.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Also keep in mind in the places in this country where gas is the cheapest, the incomes and quality of living are also usually so low that they cannot support any kind of higher gas pricing.

Keep on telling yourself this as the cost of housing isn't that cheap here.

http://www.newhomesource.com/communityresults/market-279/citynamefilter-richmond

The main reason that gas is cheap here is there's very little transportation costs with 30 refineries within a 50 mile radius and the dealers only have a few cent markup.

 

[desy]

I'll only admit to being oil addicted like many US presidents have proselytized against.
Instead of railing against an industry, a huge legitimate industry that actually creates a product instead of manipulating a service like Wall Str. I can lessen the impact in my life with choices, my choices, instead of being a victim.
And the people who get gas at 25 cents are doing it at the expense of social programs, education, medicine because they are too dumb to realize what heavily subsidized oil does to their economy

 

[dmcowen674]

Here comes the excuses of why the so called experts were wrong.

Ooops we're sorry gasoline will go higher despite there is a shit ton of oil and gasoline just because they can and they call it backwardation.

Like I said, Thugs.

12-17-2014

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-futures-market-prices-high-143519115.html

Gasoline prices in the United States have risen nearly six cents a gallon in the past month, and the spot price for a barrel of West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil has risen from $97.63 at the end of December to $99.47 now, after a brief sojourn last week above $100 a barrel.

We noted Monday morning that gasoline prices remain above $3 a gallon in every state, with a national average of $3.34 a gallon, and we note some of the temporal reasons for the higher prices.

Pump prices are not likely to fall much in the next few months as refineries enter the turnaround period when they stop producing cheaper winter gasoline and begin making more expensive summer fuel.

There may be a more fundamental change also keeping crude oil prices high at a time when U.S. production is at its highest level in more than a dozen years: the futures market is being abandoned by non-commercial (i.e., speculative) participants.

As these market participants leave the market, fewer buyers remain, which lowers the futures price that producers can get as a hedge for future production. The result is an increase in price spreads between current cash spot prices and futures prices -- cash prices rise and futures prices fall. That leads to a market condition called backwardation.

There is evidence that as backwardation increases, stockpiles decrease. Crude prices remain high and so do refined product prices. Energy economist Philip Verleger notes in his latest weekly newsletter:
Looking to the future, we see no reason for commercial inventories to increase.



The market offers no incentive at the moment to build stocks.



To the contrary, it is imposing growing punishments on those who hold oil. For this reason, we agree with the IEA that the glut will be more and more elusive.


In other words, prices will remain high and probably rise even higher as commercial inventories are drawn down.



It looks like summer driving is going to be expensive.

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So once again I was right and it has nothing to do with supply and demand.

These mother fucker Thugs are simply openly thugging Americans and the American Sheeple are letting them get away with it.

That's why I'm so passionate about this corrupt fucking Industry.

 

[dmcowen674]

2-18-2014

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-calls-truck-fuel-standards-173328263.html

Obama calls for new truck fuel standards





US President Barack Obama on Tuesday ordered officials to start setting new fuel efficiency standards for medium and heavy trucks, wielding his executive power in the fight against climate change.


Tuesday's event represented another attempt by the president to show that, even as much of his agenda is blocked by Congress, he plans to use executive power to maximize his capacity to carry out political change in his second term.


As part of his climate change and green energy agenda, the president has also introduced new fuel efficiency standards for cars and light trucks.

 

[chucky2]

If Obama actually wanted to help the consumer make more informed decisions, and thus, influence manufacturer platform and powertrain decisions, he'd get the EPA to get the City/Highway/Combined numbers broken out into 6 or 7 far more representative categories. When husband and wife go to the local stealership and the husband is wanting that F-150 for his daily sit in traffic and crawl along commute on the highway, and wife is looking at the Stop and Go City number of 6mpg, she'll be nixing that BS and he'll be getting something else more along the lines of what he really needs. Instead we have inaccurate for a high number of people window sticker numbers that are very misleading to the average buyer.

He would then work his Nobel politican magic on CA and CARB, and get them to please STFU regarding ever more needlessly stringent light duty vehicle emissions regs.

Oh well, it's only (our) money...

 

[CPA]

If Obama actually wanted to help the consumer make more informed decisions, and thus, influence manufacturer platform and powertrain decisions, he'd get the EPA to get the City/Highway/Combined numbers broken out into 6 or 7 far more representative categories. When husband and wife go to the local stealership and the husband is wanting that F-150 for his daily sit in traffic and crawl along commute on the highway, and wife is looking at the Stop and Go City number of 6mpg, she'll be nixing that BS and he'll be getting something else more along the lines of what he really needs. Instead we have inaccurate for a high number of people window sticker numbers that are very misleading to the average buyer.

He would then work his Nobel politican magic on CA and CARB, and get them to please STFU regarding ever more needlessly stringent light duty vehicle emissions regs.

Oh well, it's only (our) money...

My wife has never and will never nix my auto buying decisions, nor do I expect the majority in this country. You are putting way to much value on mpg in the buying decision. It's color, looks and amenities, in that order. That's why car manufacturers pour so much money in those qualities.

 

[Doppel]

My wife has never and will never nix my auto buying decisions, nor do I expect the majority in this country. You are putting way to much value on mpg in the buying decision. It's color, looks and amenities, in that order. That's why car manufacturers pour so much money in those qualities.

I think it's different for everyone. A lot of people don't give any shit about gas prices and never will. Even 10 mpg and the unicorn-like $10 gas just doesn't impact their huge income. Others do care, though; gas is a big part of their budget or they just don't like the idea of the carbon impact. Personally gas is pretty high up in importance on my list. I love specs/stats and it is one that helps me mark one car as better than another. Many don't seem to care about that, though.

 

[chucky2]

My wife has never and will never nix my auto buying decisions, nor do I expect the majority in this country.

I get that. My point was that when Reality enters the equation at the time of vehicle shopping/buying, rather than purposeful ambiguity which is what the current EPA numbers bring us unless you just happen to fit the testing protocol (designed to be repeatable, not representative), people will actually be able to make much more informed decisions. Yes they'll still want the F-150 with the 3.5L Ecoboost engine. When they see how little mpg it gets during their stop and go drive into the city maybe instead of getting that gas guzzler they're never put anything into the bed or two with, they'll instead opt for something that gets double or triple the mileage. At least the consideration will possibly enter their head rather than the never enter their head like we have now (and it doesn't enter because of the misleading window sticker).

You are putting way to much value on mpg in the buying decision. It's color, looks and amenities, in that order. That's why car manufacturers pour so much money in those qualities.

Uh, No. Other than the people who are well off enough where they just don't give a F, and the people who are enthusiast enough where they're zeal overrides their common sense, literally no one that I know doesn't have mpg as a very primary factor in purchasing a vehicle now a days. Are they concerned about space, amenities, color also? You betcha. But they're absolutely concerned with mpg also.

Chuck

 

[dmcowen674]

Oil over $102 now

Look for a fast jump over $4 this Friday

2-18-2014

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=clj14.nym

Crude Oil Apr 14 (CLJ14.NYM)

-NY Mercantile Follow

102.21

0.11(0.11%) 2:18AM EST