2012 ZR1 7:19.63 @ Nurburgring

[Zivic]

Don't you have a EVO? It's interior is horrible...Corvette is at least on par interior wise, faster (stock), and not that more expensive in its base model.

yes I have an evo....

I didn't pay 100+ grand for it.

it has microfiber recaros in it, still nicer than the vettes.

Gauges are simple in the evo... not the best, but at least they don't look like they came from fisher-price

The evo is a 15k dollar on top of a 20k drivetrain/chasis. I accept this fact. the vette (ZR1) is being classified as a true supercar. Peformance? Yes.... interior? absolutely not

on a car like an evo, you have trade-offs given its performance for the $. With a car like the ZR1, I shouldn't have to make sacrifices like that

 

[ponyo]

Everything has a tradeoff. Your Evo is souped up econobox. ZR1 is mere souped up Corvette. You say you didn't pay $100k for your Evo. No shit. ZR1 buyers didn't pay $400k like LFA buyers either.

Like it or not, GM reused parts from their vast parts bin to keep the price affortable. People laughed at the idea of paying $100k for a Corvette. Imagine if the car was $200k. $300k. Or even $400k like LFA. Even if it had the best interior in the world, GM hater like yourself would never buy one. So what's the point? The car is too expensive and not selling as it is. Increasing the price another $50-75k and improving the interior to meet your fictional standard isn't going to help them sell more cars. At least at the current price it can be bought by hardcore Corvette fans.

There are aftermarket interior shops more than happy to customize it the way you want if you're willing to spend the money.

 

[JCH13]

See Ferrari F40 for what a supercar interior looks like:

The ZR1 is downright plush in comparison:

Edit: F40 will run you $450k-$660k btw.

 

[Howard]

See Ferrari F40 for what a supercar interior looks like:

That carpeting is made from the finest Japanese nylon.

 

[JCH13]

That carpeting is made from the finest Japanese nylon.

Hand-picked by beautiful women from finely kept nylon trees, no doubt.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

See Ferrari F40 for what a supercar interior looks like:

The ZR1 is downright plush in comparison:

Edit: F40 will run you $450k-$660k btw.

In fairness the F40 is a 25-year-old design, and was never meant to be a GT car like the Corvette - it was a homologated racing car. A fairer comparison would be to the interiors in the Corvette's contemporary competition (911, M3, etc.). Not only does it fail to rise to those levels, it doesn't even match up well to the cheaper Mustang or 370Z.

I don't mean to dwell on this - I just find it frustrating. As an American I'd like the Corvette to be a car to be proud of (a la the Ford GT), but the crummy GM-ness of the interior really lets it down.

 

[Zivic]

Everything has a tradeoff. Your Evo is souped up econobox. ZR1 is mere souped up Corvette. You say you didn't pay $100k for your Evo. No shit. ZR1 buyers didn't pay $400k like LFA buyers either.

Like it or not, GM reused parts from their vast parts bin to keep the price affortable. People laughed at the idea of paying $100k for a Corvette. Imagine if the car was $200k. $300k. Or even $400k like LFA. Even if it had the best interior in the world, GM hater like yourself would never buy one. So what's the point? The car is too expensive and not selling as it is. Increasing the price another $50-75k and improving the interior to meet your fictional standard isn't going to help them sell more cars. At least at the current price it can be bought by hardcore Corvette fans.

There are aftermarket interior shops more than happy to customize it the way you want if you're willing to spend the money.

50-75 grand for an interior make-over?

cars like the LFA have a lot of money in the chassis and still deliver on the interior

 

[Arkaign]

50-75 grand for an interior make-over?

cars like the LFA have a lot of money in the chassis and still deliver on the interior

$400k =! $100k.

It's a tradeoff. Everything is.

The fact is that interiors in general have gotten 10000x better over the past 20 years, even on cheapish cars. A Lexus from 1995 is kinda plasticy and lame compared to a Ford or VW from 2011. The Vette interior is servicable and practical, but it will be nice to see a significant update. As for seats, well even 911 Turbo owners routinely dump the stock seats when making track cars of em, I've been to RUF and seen it in person. Brand new seats/carpet/etc being stripped from brand new Porsches as they get the racing treatment. I imagine it's much the same with Vettes/Vipers/GT-R/etc.

 

[spidey07]

LOL at dashboard strokers in a car accomplishing this incredible feat. Instead of ohhing and ahing over that handlings, skill, the sound of the tires, the incredible breaking and insane torque - nope, "but those seats, eww, I'd never buy one"

 

[Pariah]

In fairness the F40 is a 25-year-old design, and was never meant to be a GT car like the Corvette - it was a homologated racing car. A fairer comparison would be to the interiors in the Corvette's contemporary competition (911, M3, etc.). Not only does it fail to rise to those levels, it doesn't even match up well to the cheaper Mustang or 370Z.

The age of the F40 is irrelevant. Even when it was released the interior was considered completely stripped out and minimal. The exterior paint is so thin you can see through it. The F40 was never about luxury, it was a ridiculously fast go kart.

The Corvette does not compete against an M3. And M3 is a luxury sedan that has very good performance. The Corvette has never been, and will never be considered a luxury vehicle. As for Porsche. Based on performance, the ZR1 is competing with the GT2 RS. Base price? $245,000. $140,000 is kind of expensive for some different seats and nicer interior. Even the "lowly" 911 turbo starts at $137,500.

The Corvette ZR1 delivers supercar performance at a non-supercar price. Part of how that is made possible is by carrying over the interior from the lower models. If someone really cared about the interior, buy the car and have someone redo the interior like Callaway:

You'll still probably end up paying less than most of the cars the ZR1 outperforms.

 

[Zivic]

LOL at dashboard strokers in a car accomplishing this incredible feat. Instead of ohhing and ahing over that handlings, skill, the sound of the tires, the incredible breaking and insane torque - nope, "but those seats, eww, I'd never buy one"

damn shootin'....

to spend that much dough and have an interior I hated....no damn way. I can have at least as much fun in a number of other cars that are a fraction of the price. Sure they won't lap the 'ring as fast, but the fun factor will be just as high.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

damn shootin'....

to spend that much dough and have an interior I hated....no damn way. I can have at least as much fun in a number of other cars that are a fraction of the price. Sure they won't lap the 'ring as fast, but the fun factor will be just as high.

good for you

 

[Zivic]

good for you

thanks!

in the end, I do give them a lot of credit at the amazing time this car pulled. really is something.

 

[DougoMan]

If someone really cared about the interior, buy the car and have someone redo the interior like Callaway:

Still looks horrible.

 

[Zivic]

Still looks horrible.

lipstick on a pig...

really better materials, doesn't change what I don't like about. the buttons, the gauges, the seats. Looks like fisher-price designed the damn thing

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The age of the F40 is irrelevant. Even when it was released the interior was considered completely stripped out and minimal. The exterior paint is so thin you can see through it. The F40 was never about luxury, it was a ridiculously fast go kart.

The Corvette does not compete against an M3. And M3 is a luxury sedan that has very good performance. The Corvette has never been, and will never be considered a luxury vehicle. As for Porsche. Based on performance, the ZR1 is competing with the GT2 RS. Base price? $245,000. $140,000 is kind of expensive for some different seats and nicer interior. Even the "lowly" 911 turbo starts at $137,500.

The Corvette ZR1 delivers supercar performance at a non-supercar price. Part of how that is made possible is by carrying over the interior from the lower models. If someone really cared about the interior, buy the car and have someone redo the interior like Callaway:

You'll still probably end up paying less than most of the cars the ZR1 outperforms.

You've essentially echoed what I said about the F40 (minus the age) as though it's an argument against my point. It isn't.

When I mentioned the 911 and M3 I was referring to them as competitors to all flavors of Corvette, not just the ZR1. To me the Corvette's interior, and particularly its seats, are not befitting a $50K car (i.e., base Corvette), much less a $100K+ car.

I don't agree that the M3 is a "luxury sedan" - it's an excellent GT car that will make for a far superior daily driver relative to a Corvette while delivering comparable performance (again, comparable to a base Corvette, not a Z06 or ZR1). If BMW can make a car like that with a comfortable, high-quality interior and excellent sport seats at essentially the same price point, why is the Corvette still saddled with an interior that looks crummy new and will look like death warmed over after 30K miles?

IMO that Callaway interior is in some ways uglier than the stock one - it looks a little garish to my eyes - and will likely hold up no better. I will, however, give credit where credit's due - the Centennial Edition interior looks better than the stock one (if a bit overstyled and still suffering from the same plasticky dash cluster).

None of this is meant to diminish the amazing accomplishment of the ZR1 in the OP. I just want to hold GM to the same standards as everyone else. As an American I'm just sick of us settling for crap like this. I appreciate that GM is making better cars nowadays than it historically has, but for nearly my entire 40-year life they've been the most complacent, lazy automaker in the world, and meaningfully harmed our national economy with their shitty design/build ethic and low standards.

 

[ponyo]

You've essentially echoed what I said about the F40 (minus the age) as though it's an argument against my point. It isn't.

When I mentioned the 911 and M3 I was referring to them as competitors to all flavors of Corvette, not just the ZR1. To me the Corvette's interior, and particularly its seats, are not befitting a $50K car (i.e., base Corvette), much less a $100K+ car.

I don't agree that the M3 is a "luxury sedan" - it's an excellent GT car that will make for a far superior daily driver relative to a Corvette while delivering comparable performance (again, comparable to a base Corvette, not a Z06 or ZR1). If BMW can make a car like that with a comfortable, high-quality interior and excellent sport seats at essentially the same price point, why is the Corvette still saddled with an interior that looks crummy new and will look like death warmed over after 30K miles?

IMO that Callaway interior is in some ways uglier than the stock one - it looks a little garish to my eyes - and will likely hold up no better. I will, however, give credit where credit's due - the Centennial Edition interior looks better than the stock one (if a bit overstyled and still suffering from the same plasticky dash cluster).

I agree the Callaway interior is ugly. I'm not a fan of Callaway mods. The Centennial Edition however looks much better. They can only do so much since they're not changing the layout, just reskinning it. But I disagree the interior won't hold up well. We know this isn't the case since people have older C6 from 2005. It might look plastic and cheap but it will be far more durable than fancier interiors from say Ferrari. I don't know if you have seen older Lambo interiors before Audi took over but they're terrible and parts don't even fit or align. All Ferrari 360 Modena suffers from sticky dash and control knobs. If you touch it, everything is sticky and feels like melted candy. It's strange and nasty feeling. It's not like these cars were sitting outside in the sun exposed to the elements.

 

[Arkaign]

M3 is not the same price point as Vette. It's ~$10k more, and unless you special order and wait, most on dealer lots are more like $15-$20k more than basic Vette. Which prices them up against Z06, which is in a different league than M3 altogether.

420hp/290tq M3 is no match for 505hp/470tq Z06, it's only a marginal match to base Vette's 430hp/424tq. M3 is heavier as well, by a notable margin.

M3 =! Vette. It's a more expensive, less performance oriented luxury/sports car.

And forget about mods really, putting $10k into a stock Vette is about the equal of dumping $25k+ into an M3.

And hell, I'm a big M3 and BMW fan overall. I'd probably rather have an M3 than a Z06 to be honest, but that's because I don't have the time or interest to track a $50k+ car unless I could afford to keep one as a track queen and DD something else.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Amazing what street legal R-comps can do for lap times.

For reference, these are the tires it was equipped with.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...8SPORTCUP&tireModel=Pilot+Sport+Cup&code=yes&


edit: 2G's in the carousel!

Well they are "the most highest performance tire you can buy that is street legal..."

 

[Viperoni]

Tires make a ton of difference

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

The real question is...who here is buying one?

Won't be me, but the guy a few office down from me collects Corvettes He has a 2011 ZR-1 and is going to be picking up a 2012 when it's ready.

He's crazy loaded due to an inheritence. He has 6 or 7 Vettes, 2 GNXs and a few others.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Won't be me, but the guy a few office down from me collects Corvettes He has a 2011 ZR-1 and is going to be picking up a 2012 when it's ready.

He's crazy loaded due to an inheritence. He has 6 or 7 Vettes, 2 GNXs and a few others.

I don't fully understand car collections that are so homogeneous. If I were building a dream garage and had the means, a C2 Corvette would be included, but I can't imagine wanting so many of one kind of car, nor do I really see the point in having both a 2011 and 2012 version of the same model. Still, it's his money . . .

 

[IcePickFreak]

In fairness the F40 is a 25-year-old design, and was never meant to be a GT car like the Corvette - it was a homologated racing car. A fairer comparison would be to the interiors in the Corvette's contemporary competition (911, M3, etc.). Not only does it fail to rise to those levels, it doesn't even match up well to the cheaper Mustang or 370Z.

I don't mean to dwell on this - I just find it frustrating. As an American I'd like the Corvette to be a car to be proud of (a la the Ford GT), but the crummy GM-ness of the interior really lets it down.

Then look at the F430 Scuderia interior. You actually pay more for less.

Although personally that's the way I'd want it in a car like that anyway. As long as the seats are supportive in the ZR1, I'd be fine with that. I've only sat in a base model C6 (don't recall if they have different seat in the ZR1) and even at 6'6" room-wise it was fine and I thought the seat was comfortable enough.

 

[bargetrav]

lipstick on a pig...

really better materials, doesn't change what I don't like about. the buttons, the gauges, the seats. Looks like fisher-price designed the damn thing

yet you try a fucking mitsubishi, you really should keep your sad mouth shut, comparing an evo interior to a vette.

all you do is complain like a little bitch, if you took 100 people and asked them about a corvette, you'd be surprised about how many even mentioned a sub par interior, which goes to show why it's not #1 on GM's priority list.


you said other cars are as fun even though they're aren't as fast? Are you kidding me? quit lying to yourself, everyon who owns any of these cars as all about as fast as you can get, even you in your wanna be evo that shares the same body style as one of the worst rated sedans on the market.


what's with complaining about that the seats? you think most people want fucking recaro seats in their vette? another dumbass fucking comment.


the seats are just fine, i've never been uncomfortable at all, and the leather holds up well.