2011 F1 Season thread

[punjabiplaya]

That Honda V6 is a thing of beauty.. drool.

Jalopnik agrees: http://jalopnik.com/5816301/the-dawn-of-formula-ones-most-dominant-car

 

[Imported]

Anyone see this? Kinda cool.. http://www.autoblog.com/photos/f1-infographic/full/#4270023

 

[The Boston Dangler]

2011 British Grand Prix

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/07/07/2011-british-grand-prix-programme/

US tv times (eastern):

practice 1: friday, 4 am, speed.com
practice 2: friday, 8 am, speed tv
practice 3: saturday, 5 am, speed.com
qualifying: saturday, 9 am, speed tv
race: sunday, 12 pm, fox (4 hour delay D

 

[RiDE]

race: sunday, 12 pm, fox (4 hour delay D

lame. :hmm:

4 hours should be enough for people to upload the BBC broadcast :awe:

 

[The Boston Dangler]

lame. :hmm:

4 hours should be enough for people to upload the BBC broadcast :awe:

i seriously doubt it, late sunday (east coast) at best. there doesn't seem to be 1 group releasing with good rips this year - ymmv.

 

[satyajitmenon]

i seriously doubt it, late sunday (east coast) at best. there doesn't seem to be 1 group releasing with good rips this year - ymmv.

If you're a member of thebox dot bz, they've always got good rips.

 

[RiDE]

The ban on EBD has apparently been 'unbanned' 17 minutes into FP1.. just for Renault anyway. :sneaky:

Per Adam Cooper on twitter:

One team source tells me that today the FIA ruling changed from 10% throttle to 68%, which he says is 'close to full cold blowing'"

Apparently Renault pulled out all the stops and went to the FIA with proof that they were cold blowing off throttle as much as 50% back in 2009 and they can't run without it. :hmm: McLaren says that even if the FIA allowed all teams 50% cold blowing they wouldn't know what to do with it on such short notice.

Charlie Whiting is a joke.

 

[RiDE]

Here's an article that explains it pretty well:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2011/07/new_engine_rules_power_f1s_lat.html

Seems like the FIA tried to slow Red Bull down by changing rules mid season but might have ended up giving them a bigger advantage than before.

I don't remember the last season there were no politics involved.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

what a clusterfuck. things like this turn off a lot of fans, and they keep doing it.

 

[punjabiplaya]

ahhh, remember the good old days when innovation meant an advantage? and they weren't spending all their time trying to even out the performance of all the cars?

 

[The Boston Dangler]

front 2 rows - webber, vettel, alonso, massa. that's a little different.

what's not different at all is the announcement that the fia has changed its mind:
after this race, the exhaust rules changes are withdrawn

 

[RiDE]

Looks like McLaren took a hit... I'll wait for tomorrow. Ferrari will be using the same hards they got lapped with at Barcelona.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Messing with the blown diffusers is dumb. They should allow ALL to use it, just as happened with the Brawn Double Diffuser in 2009 and let the constructor that makes the best version get the upper hand. I know all teams CAN use it right now, and anyway it looks like McLaren took the biggest hit from the removal of the throttle use on overrun.

Why are the FIA such a set of dicks?

 

[punjabiplaya]

Messing with the blown diffusers is dumb. They should allow ALL to use it, just as happened with the Brawn Double Diffuser in 2009 and let the constructor that makes the best version get the upper hand. I know all teams CAN use it right now, and anyway it looks like McLaren took the biggest hit from the removal of the throttle use on overrun.

Why are the FIA such a set of dicks?

They need to just make up their damn minds. Either allow it or don't. I'd prefer them allowing it too because I thought F1 was about new technologies and innovations. Apparently F1 is now about keeping whiney bitches happy.

Anyways, an awesome quali job by DiResta.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

from what i've read:

renault engines have used open throttle over-run (cold blowing) as a means of cooling and stress relief for years. the cut to 10% would kill the motors as they are now. the concession made to them gives 50% throttle, which actually exceeds the amount they were using.

mercedes engines use hot blowing (burning air/fuel in the exhaust pipe) to achieve the same cooling and stress relief. mclaren's martin whitmarsh is arguing their fuel concession leaves them noticeably short compared to renault's throttle.

nothing has been confirmed regarding ferrari's technology, position or intentions.

 

[LTC8K6]

nothing has been confirmed regarding ferrari's technology, position or intentions.

Nor will it ever be...

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Nor will it ever be...

they are such excellent bad guys! last year fernando looked really dastardly with his moustache

rofl "stupidhair.jpg"

 

[punjabiplaya]

what a crazy race

looks like the pit crews won/lost at silverstone

 

[LTC8K6]

I'm psychic...

 

[The Boston Dangler]

wow, what a race! this was another fantastic race for 2011, ignore the points totals and enjoy the action and chess games

 

[PlasmaBomb]

You mean the turbo will be large? Or did you mean 1.6L V6 is large vs 1.5L I4?

The second.

And how is all this technology saving them any money? From using each engine in more races?

Honda had a 1.5L twin turbo V6 of about 700hp back in the late 80's in F1.

Did I mention that the turbo V6 F1 engines were producing ~1500 BHP is qualifying spec in the late 80's...

 

[PlasmaBomb]

haven't watched all of it yet, but pretty fucking amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbB1qwhKaaE&feature=player_embedded

EPIC video!

 

[JulesMaximus]

wow, what a race! this was another fantastic race for 2011, ignore the points totals and enjoy the action and chess games

Agreed! Good to see Ferrari fighting for a win. Too bad Hamilton couldn't hold onto 3rd, he had a real scrap with Massa there on the final lap too. Great race!

 

[punjabiplaya]

some interesting numbers on the new rules: http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2011/7/12317.html

Q: What is the breakdown of overtaking manoeuvres?
A: Of the 623 passes, 175 were by faster cars on the bottom three teams and 43 were between team mates. There have been 180 DRS-assisted passing moves, and 225 'normal' (i.e. non-DRS) passes.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

some interesting numbers on the new rules: http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2011/7/12317.html

Q: How have the tyres affected the racing?
A: From all of the normal passes, just over 55 percent occurred when the difference in tyre age between the two cars was less than five laps, and 45 percent when it was more than five laps. Of the 180 DRS moves, 52 percent had tyre age difference of less than five laps, and 48 percent when it was more than five laps. The race where the difference in tyre age had the biggest impact was Barcelona, where 'old' tyres accounted for 69 percent of passes. The least influential races were the wet events in Montreal and Silverstone.

no complaints here