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Well, if everyone could use it all the time it negates the effect of having it. I like that only the car behind can use it. CART tried this with the push to pass button but the trouble with that is you use it to try to pass and the guy you are trying to pass uses it to defend.

I thought this was a very exiting race. Can't believe Alonso ran into the back of Hamilton, he could have been on the podium.

Petrov's shunt was AMAZING!!! He got some serious air! I bet that hurt when that car came crashing back down to earth.

i don't know. i think it could be a decent differentiator of car and driver performance if it was used all the time.

and petrov's crash was nuts. the entire car is done, and i bet he's at least an inch shorter.
 

JulesMaximus

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It was one of the effects of the crash.. even if that had not broken.. I don't think he could have possibly continued the race.

Duh...of course that was one of the effects of the crash. He drove wide and was pushing, trying to regain the circuit but he didn't anticipate hitting whatever it was that launched his car into the air.

The steering column was not connected after that impact either...despite what the commentator said.
 

LTC8K6

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DRS was slightly more effective at Malaysia, but still not much, imo.

I still don't understand DRS. Folks were just delighted with many performances where a driver held of another driver to keep the lead or keep a position, such as when Alonso held off Schumacher back when, and there were several other great drives like that.

DRS would theoretically just allow Schumacher to drive right on by, and to hell with Alonso's skill at keeping in front.
 

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Petrov made my day

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JulesMaximus

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DRS was slightly more effective at Malaysia, but still not much, imo.

I still don't understand DRS. Folks were just delighted with many performances where a driver held of another driver to keep the lead or keep a position, such as when Alonso held off Schumacher back when, and there were several other great drives like that.

DRS would theoretically just allow Schumacher to drive right on by, and to hell with Alonso's skill at keeping in front.

The thing is you may have a faster car but until now it was impossible to get close enough on many of these circuits with short straights to get enough of a tow to be able to attempt a pass. DRS definitely helps with that.

As for your theoretical comment did you see Nick Heidfeld holding off Mark Webber at the end of the race for the final spot on the podium? DRS didn't seem to help Webber much or maybe his tires just started going off that last lap and a half.

No matter your opinion it definitely is making the racing more interesting.
 

PricklyPete

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I think KERS and DRS will make the racing more exciting in the end. The drivers have to get used to these new variables, so give them a little time.
 

LTC8K6

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The thing is you may have a faster car but until now it was impossible to get close enough on many of these circuits with short straights to get enough of a tow to be able to attempt a pass. DRS definitely helps with that.

As for your theoretical comment did you see Nick Heidfeld holding off Mark Webber at the end of the race for the final spot on the podium? DRS didn't seem to help Webber much or maybe his tires just started going off that last lap and a half.

No matter your opinion it definitely is making the racing more interesting.

DRS doesn't appear to do a thing on a track with short straights.

Webber's KERS was malfunctioning and it was slowing him down in addition to not giving him the boost. Vettel turned his off because of problems with it. I bet Webber would have blown right by Heidfeld if not for that. Plus, it was less than two laps, so not much time to make the pass anyway.

KERS works right now, no need for a long straight.

KERS can malfunction so that it's always trying to charge, but not charging. This can rob the car of a little horsepower.

If Schuey had KERS and DRS, Alonso's great drive would have been just another pass by Schuey.

If you can't get by me with driving skill, or a better car, then stay back there where you belong. :biggrin:
 

JulesMaximus

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DRS doesn't appear to do a thing on a track with short straights.

Webber's KERS was malfunctioning and it was slowing him down in addition to not giving him the boost. Vettel turned his off because of problems with it. I bet Webber would have blown right by Heidfeld if not for that. Plus, it was less than two laps, so not much time to make the pass anyway.

KERS works right now, no need for a long straight.

KERS can malfunction so that it's always trying to charge, but not charging. This can rob the car of a little horsepower.

If Schuey had KERS and DRS, Alonso's great drive would have been just another pass by Schuey.

If you can't get by me with driving skill, or a better car, then stay back there where you belong. :biggrin:

Like Alonso did last year with Massa? Ooops, that was team orders. I hold Alonso in very high regard, I think he's probably one of the best drivers out there along with Vettel and Hamilton.

If you have two equal cars it makes passing almost impossible...no matter who is driving.
 

LTC8K6

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Like Alonso did last year with Massa? Ooops, that was team orders. I hold Alonso in very high regard, I think he's probably one of the best drivers out there along with Vettel and Hamilton.

If you have two equal cars it makes passing almost impossible...no matter who is driving.

What do team orders have to do with electronic driver assists? :biggrin:

We have "equal cars" because of the silly rules in the first place.

People used to build their own cars, and choose their tire mfg. after testing with their own car, and the fastest cars ran up front and passed each other. Sometimes it was the car, and sometimes it was the driver.

Much of auto racing is now becoming boring because of the attempt to make "equal cars".

"equal cars" has now infected most forms of racing.

Yet we have people complaining because you can't pass.

No shit you can't pass...you're all driving the same car with the same tires and different decals.

We have now tried several things to get these "equal cars" to be able to pass. We've tried different grip tires with a tire rule mandating use of both types. We've tried smaller wings. We've tried KERS. We've tried DRS. And I'm sure I forgot a couple.

Still we basically get passes in the pits or when one car has a problem, or if it rains and a team guesses right.

Even when DRS works, what's the point? You know who will pass who, and you know exactly when and where they will pass.

If Vettel happens to be close behind Hamilton near the end of the race, and DRS is working as advertised at that track, then we already know the outcome. Vettel will pass Hamilton easily shortly after the DRS red line. Blocking isn't allowed and neither is more than one move, so it's a done deal if DRS does what is claimed.

We saw a little bit of what F1 should be when Brawn came out with their car that was a little different that squeaked in under some new rules. That car could pass often. That car could come from the back.

Driver aids were taboo not long ago. Frowned upon, too. Now they are putting them back on the cars.

Seems like F1 created the problem, and now they can't solve it.

It wasn't long ago that a guy like Nigel Mansell or Ayrton Senna or even Schuey could get put in the back and then storm right through the field. No trouble passing any cars. Even cars that were good.

Most of the F1 drivers today have no knowledge of such. They've never seen it while they were driving. They only know the new parade type racing. Qualify and stay there unless it rains or someone blows up.

Heck, with the new "equal car" strategy, even "advancing by reliability" is limited.
 

JulesMaximus

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What do team orders have to do with electronic driver assists? :biggrin:

We have "equal cars" because of the silly rules in the first place.

People used to build their own cars, and choose their tire mfg. after testing with their own car, and the fastest cars ran up front and passed each other. Sometimes it was the car, and sometimes it was the driver.

Much of auto racing is now becoming boring because of the attempt to make "equal cars".

"equal cars" has now infected most forms of racing.

Yet we have people complaining because you can't pass.

No shit you can't pass...you're all driving the same car with the same tires and different decals.

We have now tried several things to get these "equal cars" to be able to pass. We've tried different grip tires with a tire rule mandating use of both types. We've tried smaller wings. We've tried KERS. We've tried DRS. And I'm sure I forgot a couple.

Still we basically get passes in the pits or when one car has a problem, or if it rains and a team guesses right.

Even when DRS works, what's the point? You know who will pass who, and you know exactly when and where they will pass.

If Vettel happens to be close behind Hamilton near the end of the race, and DRS is working as advertised at that track, then we already know the outcome. Vettel will pass Hamilton easily shortly after the DRS red line. Blocking isn't allowed and neither is more than one move, so it's a done deal if DRS does what is claimed.

We saw a little bit of what F1 should be when Brawn came out with their car that was a little different that squeaked in under some new rules. That car could pass often. That car could come from the back.

Driver aids were taboo not long ago. Frowned upon, too. Now they are putting them back on the cars.

Seems like F1 created the problem, and now they can't solve it.

It wasn't long ago that a guy like Nigel Mansell or Ayrton Senna or even Schuey could get put in the back and then storm right through the field. No trouble passing any cars. Even cars that were good.

Most of the F1 drivers today have no knowledge of such. They've never seen it while they were driving. They only know the new parade type racing. Qualify and stay there unless it rains or someone blows up.

Heck, with the new "equal car" strategy, even "advancing by reliability" is limited.

Don't forget Raikkonen in Japan a few years ago coming from the back of the grid to pass Fisichella on the last lap for the win. One of the best drives I've ever seen.

It's not perfect...far from it. But it is still better than Nascar. :p
 
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LTC8K6

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Thanks... at 27-29 seconds he seems to have a lot of wheel input, but the tires seem fairly straight :(

Seems odd that he would have kept going at full pelt if he knew the steering was broken before the crash though?

Reminds me a little bit of Massa getting knocked out by that spring. Just along for the ride.
 

JulesMaximus

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Thanks... at 27-29 seconds he seems to have a lot of wheel input, but the tires seem fairly straight :(

Seems odd that he would have kept going at full pelt if he knew the steering was broken before the crash though?

I think the steering column broke when the car came crashing back down. He obviously has control of the car as it goes wide exiting that turn because he steers it back toward the track before he hit whatever it was that pitched the car up in the air.