2007 Chevy Avalanche to unveil at Chicago Auto Show

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Ktulu
this good enough for you?

Old people are less likely to report problems, which is why Buick is so much higher on the list.

Cadillac, you cannot compare it to Toyota, it's a luxury brand and they use better parts.

And the rest of the GM brands rank low on that list and don't come close to Toyota or Honda.

even JulesMaximus doesnt say this, and he HATES domestic vehicles.

so you are gunna lump Lexus in with Buick right? old people vehicles? because before the current IS's they sure as hell were.

dont forget less young kids can afford the Toyotas than can afford Chevys


and then lets look at Scion... o wait its to new to have long term, but its IQS still sucks nuts.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Ktulu
you said that GM brands are always at the bottom and you were wrong.

Their ratings might not be the best right now but they have improved and will continue to improve. Like it or not.

They will continue to improve because GM is in serious financial trouble and will be forced to renegotiate with the UAW, which was the reason for the poor quality of their cars.

Lower wages for workers = more money for better quality parts.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Another SUV. This will sure help GM and their financial problem.

Does anyone work at GM have COMMON SENSE?

While Honda is bringing in Fit into the U.S. GM unveil a SUV.

Nice try GM.

O yes, blame the foreigners for your stupidity.

maybe if you werent Naive you would realise something.

SUV's are STILL gm's most profitable vehicles. with improved gas mileage, improved interiors, and much better looks. i predict GM SUV's to sell like hotcakes. and im serious.

I know that SUV is the most profitable segment for automakers. But they have to not only match the Japanese's offerings but also rising oil prices.

Seriously, if you have a SUV, you would probably keep it. But if you planning to buy a new car, would you buy a SUV like this one? Even if you do, you have to look at the competitors out there.

Arrogant isn't going to help. Give as much rebate as you want, GM's financial isn't going to be save by a brand new SUV with nicer interior.

I predict GM will be reorganizing if not filing for chapter 11 reorganization. Unless the UAW workers give up their pension and willing to work for less pay.

I'm sorry to say, GM is pretty much done in America. (their international division is doing quite well)

you do know the Tahoe is the #1 selling SUV in America right? GM could have just let that cruise right along, but nope, they improved on the Tahoe a TREMENDOUS ammount, you can ask anyone who has sat in one, the interior on the tahoe is GM's BEST interior to date in the U.S. (GTO not with standing). The Escalade just expounds on this again and again. there is NO competition for the Tahoe anymore, the Expedition is getting redesigned and should compete, but still will NOT outsell the Tahoe.

These are stat of the past. Their SUVs DID sell. But what about the future. You think people will keep buying these vehicles at $3 gallon? how about $4?

Nissan released the Titan to compete with the big 3... what happened? the big 3 still were tops in the truck market.

you know how long foreign competitors have had SUV's in the market? about 10 years i would say, ATLEAST prolly more. guess what, domestics were still the top 1/2. guess what else, GM has the most fuel efficient SUV's in their respective classes.

the Tahoe can run on E85, when E85 becomes a viable alt. (not to distant) you will see them running this.

there also is the Hybrid Tahoe coming out obtainins 19/25 MPG

Mike,

I admire your effort to defend GM's vehicle design. But what I'm arguring is that do they have ANY idea or strategic vision for the future? I don't hate SUV drivers, but how long you think it's going to be before oil price reach a new high.

And by then, would people still buy SUVs?

Gas is reaching $3 and you still releasing a SUV that does like 17-19mpg?

I mean unless gas price is going DOWN, its a little bit illogical to do so. Don't you think?

The market has changed and I think GM is failing to adapt it.

so a vehicle that has been in the pipeline for 6 years, you just axe it, you kill it, you do nothing?

GM pushed these vehicles ahead to get them out.

you have MANY MANY vehicles still following including many cars.

the Hybird Tahoe which as i stated earlier gets 19/25 (25% increase) this puts its city MPG with the accord, and its highway mpg 20% less than the accord. not bad for a vehicle that can seat 7 and still tow 7000 lbs.

You don't do nothing.

You design vehicle that will follow the trend of the future. I don't question GM's quality. They've been on top of their game on JD Power rating. But common sense told me that these vehicle would not save GM financial trouble no matter how good they look, how reliable they are. Why? Because oil price is very likely to go higher. therefore, the market for these vehicle will likely decrease in size.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060126/earns_gm_glance.html?.v=4

I mean...eff it...No matter how you look at it, that negative 8.6 billions just doesnt look right

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
even JulesMaximus doesnt say this, and he HATES domestic vehicles.

so you are gunna lump Lexus in with Buick right? old people vehicles? because before the current IS's they sure as hell were.

dont forget less young kids can afford the Toyotas than can afford Chevys

and then lets look at Scion... o wait its to new to have long term, but its IQS still sucks nuts.

Lexuses are not "old people" vehicles and the older people who typically drive Lexuses are intelligent enough to report the problems unlike the older people who typically drive domestic cars.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
even JulesMaximus doesnt say this, and he HATES domestic vehicles.

so you are gunna lump Lexus in with Buick right? old people vehicles? because before the current IS's they sure as hell were.

dont forget less young kids can afford the Toyotas than can afford Chevys

and then lets look at Scion... o wait its to new to have long term, but its IQS still sucks nuts.

Lexuses are not "old people" vehicles and the older people who typically drive Lexuses are intelligent enough to report the problems unlike the older people who typically drive domestic cars.

So you like to stereotype people, come on JLGatsby I thought you were educated.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Ktulu
this good enough for you?

Old people are less likely to report problems, which is why Buick is so much higher on the list.

Cadillac, you cannot compare it to Toyota, it's a luxury brand and they use better parts.

And the rest of the GM brands rank low on that list and don't come close to Toyota or Honda.

even JulesMaximus doesnt say this, and he HATES domestic vehicles.

so you are gunna lump Lexus in with Buick right? old people vehicles? because before the current IS's they sure as hell were.

dont forget less young kids can afford the Toyotas than can afford Chevys


and then lets look at Scion... o wait its to new to have long term, but its IQS still sucks nuts.

Meh, I don't hate domestic vehicles. Just the crappy ones...and the ugly ones...and the ones that look like big boxes and get horrible mileage (but I hate the big foreign shoe boxes as well). :laugh:

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
even JulesMaximus doesnt say this, and he HATES domestic vehicles.

so you are gunna lump Lexus in with Buick right? old people vehicles? because before the current IS's they sure as hell were.

dont forget less young kids can afford the Toyotas than can afford Chevys

and then lets look at Scion... o wait its to new to have long term, but its IQS still sucks nuts.

Lexuses are not "old people" vehicles and the older people who typically drive Lexuses are intelligent enough to report the problems unlike the older people who typically drive domestic cars.

o dear god. wtf... im speechless.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
even JulesMaximus doesnt say this, and he HATES domestic vehicles.

so you are gunna lump Lexus in with Buick right? old people vehicles? because before the current IS's they sure as hell were.

dont forget less young kids can afford the Toyotas than can afford Chevys

and then lets look at Scion... o wait its to new to have long term, but its IQS still sucks nuts.

Lexuses are not "old people" vehicles and the older people who typically drive Lexuses are intelligent enough to report the problems unlike the older people who typically drive domestic cars.

o dear god. wtf... im speechless.

yeah, this f$cker's something else isn't he?

 

[RiDE]

Another car thread turns to sh!t again... and JLGatsby is in it... again. 😀

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: RiDE
Another car thread turns to sh!t again... and JLGatsby is in it... again. 😀

im in it too, and i am typically in the car threads that turn to shlt

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: RiDE
Another car thread turns to sh!t again... and JLGatsby is in it... again. 😀

im in it too, and i am typically in the car threads that turn to shlt

Yeah, me too. I'm off to bed now though. My wife is waiting for me! 😉

 

[Black88GTA]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
even JulesMaximus doesnt say this, and he HATES domestic vehicles.

so you are gunna lump Lexus in with Buick right? old people vehicles? because before the current IS's they sure as hell were.

dont forget less young kids can afford the Toyotas than can afford Chevys

and then lets look at Scion... o wait its to new to have long term, but its IQS still sucks nuts.

Lexuses are not "old people" vehicles and the older people who typically drive Lexuses are intelligent enough to report the problems unlike the older people who typically drive domestic cars.

LMFAO. OMG, are you serious? That's quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this forum! Can you honestly say that with a straight face? I mean, only the most hard-core rabid import fanboy would actually believe something like that...oh wait...:roll:

Oh, and for the record - old people are among the whiniest, most difficult to please segment, and are very likely to complain about even the smallest thing. Makes sense when you think about it - most are retired, and have nothing better to do with their time. Your average "working-age" consumer, on the other hand, has work 9am - 5pm, 5 days a week. There's a very small window of time they actually have when they are available to bring their car to a dealer, not to mention the hassle of leaving their only car and arranging for other transportation - and many feel it's not worth it to do so for a small rattle or other minor problem. Just something I noticed when I worked at a Chevy dealer a few years back.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
even JulesMaximus doesnt say this, and he HATES domestic vehicles.

so you are gunna lump Lexus in with Buick right? old people vehicles? because before the current IS's they sure as hell were.

dont forget less young kids can afford the Toyotas than can afford Chevys

and then lets look at Scion... o wait its to new to have long term, but its IQS still sucks nuts.

Lexuses are not "old people" vehicles and the older people who typically drive Lexuses are intelligent enough to report the problems unlike the older people who typically drive domestic cars.

Haha, I love it when you get into a continuous argument with someone. Your reasoning abilities continue to degrade to a very comical level. Thanks for the posts.

Disclaimer: I don't particularly like domestic OR Oriental cars. I'd rather drive a European car, pay for the extra maintenance, and enjoy a combination of luxury and power I can't find elsewhere.

Oh, and the image of the Lexus brand is just as "old" as Buick, don't kid yourself. It looks like a pregnant Camry. Kids fresh out of the top colleges and law schools with top jobs look at BMWs, Audis, and Mercedes, not Lexuses.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: iversonyin
Another SUV. This will sure help GM and their financial problem.

Does anyone work at GM have COMMON SENSE?

While Honda is bringing in Fit into the U.S. GM unveil a SUV.

Nice try GM.

O yes, blame the foreigners for your stupidity.

If GM built a car that went 100 mpg, people still wouldn't buy it because it would probably break down before the tank emptied.

People buy GM for their trucks, SUVs, and other white trash automobiles. They're not interested driving a go cart.

I'm not bashing those people, I'm just saying they want these big vehicles. That's the demographic that GM and other domestic car companies cater to.

No.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Black88GTA
LMFAO. OMG, are you serious? That's quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this forum! Can you honestly say that with a straight face? I mean, only the most hard-core rabid import fanboy would actually believe something like that...oh wait...:roll:

Oh, and for the record - old people are among the whiniest, most difficult to please segment, and are very likely to complain about even the smallest thing. Makes sense when you think about it - most are retired, and have nothing better to do with their time. Your average "working-age" consumer, on the other hand, has work 9am - 5pm, 5 days a week. There's a very small window of time they actually have when they are available to bring their car to a dealer, not to mention the hassle of leaving their only car and arranging for other transportation - and many feel it's not worth it to do so for a small rattle or other minor problem. Just something I noticed when I worked at a Chevy dealer a few years back.

Most seniors who drive American cars were and still are "middle class." Most never grew up with an advanced education and most worked lower end jobs. They're simpler people. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just saying they're simple people.

Meanwhile, most senior citizen Lexus drivers are highly educated (old doctors, lawyers, etc) and can understand the everyday problems, specifically problems with their car better than the simpler middle class older people. Their minds are in better shape because of the years of mental training required to stay on top of their profession.

If bet if you did a study on senior citizens and adaptation of technology, say, how many of them own a computer, or how often they use it, or some other similar study, you'd see that highly educated senior citizens manage to keep up with technology (for the most part), while their middle class counterparts are still using VCRs and non-digital TVs and generally shun complicated technologies, including car technologies.

Keeping up with technology sharpens the mind, which is why highly educated seniors may be better able to verbally articulate their car problems compared to their middle class counterparts.

Not putting down middle class seniors, if they don't need technology to be happy, that's great, I'm just making a point by saying technology and a lifetime of staying on top of a advanced career sharpens the mind.

Edit: Playmaker, take that for "reasoning ability." Just because you cannot comprehend my arguments, that does not make them invalid of comical. Perhaps it's you who needs to sharpen your reasoning skills.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Black88GTA
LMFAO. OMG, are you serious? That's quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this forum! Can you honestly say that with a straight face? I mean, only the most hard-core rabid import fanboy would actually believe something like that...oh wait...:roll:

Oh, and for the record - old people are among the whiniest, most difficult to please segment, and are very likely to complain about even the smallest thing. Makes sense when you think about it - most are retired, and have nothing better to do with their time. Your average "working-age" consumer, on the other hand, has work 9am - 5pm, 5 days a week. There's a very small window of time they actually have when they are available to bring their car to a dealer, not to mention the hassle of leaving their only car and arranging for other transportation - and many feel it's not worth it to do so for a small rattle or other minor problem. Just something I noticed when I worked at a Chevy dealer a few years back.

Most seniors who drive American cars were and still are "middle class." Most never grew up with an advanced education and most worked lower end jobs. They're simpler people. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just saying they're simple people.

Meanwhile, most senior citizen Lexus drivers are highly educated (old doctors, lawyers, etc) and can understand the everyday problems, specifically problems with their car better than the simpler middle class older people. Their minds are in better shape because of the years of mental training required to stay on top of their profession.

If bet if you did a study on senior citizens and adaptation of technology, say, how many of them own a computer, or how often they use it, or some other similar study, you'd see that highly educated senior citizens manage to keep up with technology (for the most part), while their middle class counterparts are still using VCRs and non-digital TVs and generally shun complicated technologies, including car technologies.

Keeping up with technology sharpens the mind, which is why highly educated seniors may be better able to verbally articulate their car problems compared to their middle class counterparts.

Not putting down middle class seniors, if they don't need technology to be happy, that's great, I'm just making a point by saying technology and a lifetime of staying on top of a advanced career sharpens the mind.

so my grandfather, who drives a Jeep (yea yea) and was an engineer graduating from PSU, and serving in the ARMY who knows more than you could dream of about the proximity fuse and how L to A proximity bombs work because he taught those over in Europe during WWII how to use them, and will never consider a foreign vehicle, is now a lesser person?

or my grandfather who worked for GM in the Cleveland plant a long ass time ago, developing and designing something, im not sure what it is, and drives an Oldsmobile, is a lesser person??

or my Uncle who would never think of owning a foreign car, and owns a Suburban, and an Oldsmobile who has mucho money, who used to drag race dragsters, is a lesser person.

or my uncle who has more money than you will EVER dream of, and drives a Buick and a Cadillac, is a lesser person.

and yes, everyone i just listed is 55+ years of age.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
so my grandfather, who drives a Jeep (yea yea) and was an engineer graduating from PSU, and serving in the ARMY who knows more than you could dream of about the proximity fuse and how L to A proximity bombs work because he taught those over in Europe during WWII how to use them, and will never consider a foreign vehicle, is now a lesser person?

or my grandfather who worked for GM in the Cleveland plant a long ass time ago, developing and designing something, im not sure what it is, and drives an Oldsmobile, is a lesser person??

or my Uncle who would never think of owning a foreign car, and owns a Suburban, and an Oldsmobile who has mucho money, who used to drag race dragsters, is a lesser person.

or my uncle who has more money than you will EVER dream of, and drives a Buick and a Cadillac, is a lesser person.

and yes, everyone i just listed is 55+ years of age.

Don't invent false implications to my posts.

No one is "lesser" just because you don't adapt to newer technology.

And in the spirit "idiotic internet debating" you pull one of these:

Turn someone?s generality into an absolute. For example, if someone makes a general statement that Americans celebrate Christmas, point out that some people are Jewish and so anyone who thinks that ALL Americans celebrate Christmas is stupid. (Bonus points for accusing the person of being anti-Semitic.)

Citing a few relatives means nothing. I never said or implied "all." A few examples prove nothing about the majority. There are probably hundreds of thousands of very intelligent seniors who drive GM cars, many probably doctors, lawyers, and scientists.

And to even try to say that I implied that anyone who drives a GM car is "lesser" just because they don't own a computer or a DVD player is moronic.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
so my grandfather, who drives a Jeep (yea yea) and was an engineer graduating from PSU, and serving in the ARMY who knows more than you could dream of about the proximity fuse and how L to A proximity bombs work because he taught those over in Europe during WWII how to use them, and will never consider a foreign vehicle, is now a lesser person?

or my grandfather who worked for GM in the Cleveland plant a long ass time ago, developing and designing something, im not sure what it is, and drives an Oldsmobile, is a lesser person??

or my Uncle who would never think of owning a foreign car, and owns a Suburban, and an Oldsmobile who has mucho money, who used to drag race dragsters, is a lesser person.

or my uncle who has more money than you will EVER dream of, and drives a Buick and a Cadillac, is a lesser person.

and yes, everyone i just listed is 55+ years of age.

Don't invent false implications to my posts.

No one is "lesser" just because you don't adapt to newer technology.

And in the spirit "idiotic internet debating" you pull one of these:

Turn someone?s generality into an absolute. For example, if someone makes a general statement that Americans celebrate Christmas, point out that some people are Jewish and so anyone who thinks that ALL Americans celebrate Christmas is stupid. (Bonus points for accusing the person of being anti-Semitic.)

Citing a few relatives means nothing. I never said or implied "all." A few examples prove nothing about the majority. There are probably hundreds of thousands of very intelligent seniors who drive GM cars, many probably doctors, lawyers, and scientists.

And to even try to say that I implied that anyone who drives a GM car is "lesser" just because they don't own a computer or a DVD player is moronic.

How can you say that when you very first sentence said

"Most seniors who drive American cars were and still are "middle class." Most never grew up with an advanced education and most worked lower end jobs. They're simpler people. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just saying they're simple people. "

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
so my grandfather, who drives a Jeep (yea yea) and was an engineer graduating from PSU, and serving in the ARMY who knows more than you could dream of about the proximity fuse and how L to A proximity bombs work because he taught those over in Europe during WWII how to use them, and will never consider a foreign vehicle, is now a lesser person?

or my grandfather who worked for GM in the Cleveland plant a long ass time ago, developing and designing something, im not sure what it is, and drives an Oldsmobile, is a lesser person??

or my Uncle who would never think of owning a foreign car, and owns a Suburban, and an Oldsmobile who has mucho money, who used to drag race dragsters, is a lesser person.

or my uncle who has more money than you will EVER dream of, and drives a Buick and a Cadillac, is a lesser person.

and yes, everyone i just listed is 55+ years of age.

Don't invent false implications to my posts.

No one is "lesser" just because you don't adapt to newer technology.

And in the spirit "idiotic internet debating" you pull one of these:

Turn someone?s generality into an absolute. For example, if someone makes a general statement that Americans celebrate Christmas, point out that some people are Jewish and so anyone who thinks that ALL Americans celebrate Christmas is stupid. (Bonus points for accusing the person of being anti-Semitic.)

Citing a few relatives means nothing. I never said or implied "all." A few examples prove nothing about the majority. There are probably hundreds of thousands of very intelligent seniors who drive GM cars, many probably doctors, lawyers, and scientists.

And to even try to say that I implied that anyone who drives a GM car is "lesser" just because they don't own a computer or a DVD player is moronic.

People buy GM for their trucks, SUVs, and other white trash automobiles.

come again?

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

People buy GM for their trucks, SUVs, and other white trash automobiles.

come again?

That was just me being a douche, that comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Excelsior
How can you say that when you very first sentence said

"Most seniors who drive American cars were and still are "middle class." Most never grew up with an advanced education and most worked lower end jobs. They're simpler people. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just saying they're simple people. "

KEY WORD GENIUS: MOST

Find a dictionary and look it up.

Most = not all, just a majority. Could be 60%. Could be 70%.

Still larger numbers of seniors who are intelligent drive GM cars. But most of them are not as "adaptive to technology" than those who typically (another word for "most") drive Lexuses.

 

[Playmaker]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Black88GTA
LMFAO. OMG, are you serious? That's quite possibly the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this forum! Can you honestly say that with a straight face? I mean, only the most hard-core rabid import fanboy would actually believe something like that...oh wait...:roll:

Oh, and for the record - old people are among the whiniest, most difficult to please segment, and are very likely to complain about even the smallest thing. Makes sense when you think about it - most are retired, and have nothing better to do with their time. Your average "working-age" consumer, on the other hand, has work 9am - 5pm, 5 days a week. There's a very small window of time they actually have when they are available to bring their car to a dealer, not to mention the hassle of leaving their only car and arranging for other transportation - and many feel it's not worth it to do so for a small rattle or other minor problem. Just something I noticed when I worked at a Chevy dealer a few years back.

Most seniors who drive American cars were and still are "middle class." Most never grew up with an advanced education and most worked lower end jobs. They're simpler people. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just saying they're simple people.

Meanwhile, most senior citizen Lexus drivers are highly educated (old doctors, lawyers, etc) and can understand the everyday problems, specifically problems with their car better than the simpler middle class older people. Their minds are in better shape because of the years of mental training required to stay on top of their profession.

If bet if you did a study on senior citizens and adaptation of technology, say, how many of them own a computer, or how often they use it, or some other similar study, you'd see that highly educated senior citizens manage to keep up with technology (for the most part), while their middle class counterparts are still using VCRs and non-digital TVs and generally shun complicated technologies, including car technologies.

Keeping up with technology sharpens the mind, which is why highly educated seniors may be better able to verbally articulate their car problems compared to their middle class counterparts.

Not putting down middle class seniors, if they don't need technology to be happy, that's great, I'm just making a point by saying technology and a lifetime of staying on top of a advanced career sharpens the mind.

Edit: Playmaker, take that for "reasoning ability." Just because you cannot comprehend my arguments, that does not make them invalid of comical. Perhaps it's you who needs to sharpen your reasoning skills.

Hahaha. That is such bullshit. I guarantee that if you take a random sampling of middle-class seniors and upper-class seniors, the middle-class group will be more mechanically knowledgable.

I grew up in a neighborhood of that was full of your upper-class professions (which, btw, is ridiculous...doctors, lawyers, etc. as upper-class? please, maybe the top partners at Watchtell, Cravath, or Skadden in Manhattan are upper-class, but law and medicine are at best upper middle-class professions unless you live in Bumfvck, Iowa, but that's for another thread) and the majority knew absolutely nothing about their cars.

Thanks again for the laugh.

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Hahaha. That is such bullshit. I guarantee that if you take a random sampling of middle-class seniors and upper-class seniors, the middle-class group will be more mechanically knowledgable.

I grew up in a neighborhood of that was full of your upper-class professions (which, btw, is ridiculous...doctors, lawyers, etc. as upper-class? please, maybe the top partners at Watchtell, Cravath, or Skadden in Manhattan are upper-class, but law and medicine are at best upper middle-class professions unless you live in Bumfvck, Iowa, but that's for another thread) and the majority knew absolutely nothing about their cars.

Thanks again for the laugh.

Again, your feeble mind fails to get my point.

I never said mechanically knowledgable, I said "adaptation to technology." Computers, appliances, etc.

Adaptation to technology sharpens the mind, which helps in your older years, which can improve your ability to understand and articulate problems.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: Playmaker
Hahaha. That is such bullshit. I guarantee that if you take a random sampling of middle-class seniors and upper-class seniors, the middle-class group will be more mechanically knowledgable.

I grew up in a neighborhood of that was full of your upper-class professions (which, btw, is ridiculous...doctors, lawyers, etc. as upper-class? please, maybe the top partners at Watchtell, Cravath, or Skadden in Manhattan are upper-class, but law and medicine are at best upper middle-class professions unless you live in Bumfvck, Iowa, but that's for another thread) and the majority knew absolutely nothing about their cars.

Thanks again for the laugh.

Again, your feeble mind fails to get my point.

I never said mechanically knowledgable, I said "adaptation to technology." Computers, appliances, etc.

Adaptation to technology sharpens the mind, which helps in your older years, which can improve your ability to understand and articulate problems.

i guess my grandfather who is 90 this year, and doesnt know how to use a computer, but yet could still talk and walk and chew gum at the same time, cleans and drains and backflushes his pool, and up till 80, would go on his roof and fix his roof, and fixes almost everything in his house himself.

is less sharp in the mind?

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i guess my grandfather who is 90 this year, and doesnt know how to use a computer, but yet could still talk and walk and chew gum at the same time, cleans and drains and backflushes his pool, and up till 80, would go on his roof and fix his roof, and fixes almost everything in his house himself.

is less sharp in the mind?

You obviously are unble to even come close to understanding the behavior of the human mind and how adaptation to technology improves understand and creates improved thought processes.

Fixing a roof or draining a pool is far from an "intellectual pursuit." I'm not saying he is dumb in any way, I could not judge someone I've never met. And as I said before, a few examples proves nothing about the majority.

And just because you don't know how to use a computer, that does not make anyone "dumb."

I'm only saying it makes you "smarter." Not "smart," just "smarter." This is key: Because the general processes of a computer and technology in general and how it is operated will "rub off" onto the human mind, which improves thought process and understanding. The mental exercise also drastically improves the mind, this has been proven by medical studies.

If you do not understand what I'm saying by this point, you yourself are probably not well instilled with the mental benefits of understanding technology.