And the partisan hacks on the left here will dismiss it as somehow a good thing for American while claiming Bush was the only one eroding our rights. Just like they dismiss Obama's out of control spending thats going to bankrupt this country.
And the partisan hacks on the left here will dismiss it as somehow a good thing for American while claiming Bush was the only one eroding our rights. Just like they dismiss Obama's out of control spending thats going to bankrupt this country.
MovingTarget
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I wouldn't count on that. The Dems aren't the ones who abridge rights "for the children". In reality, they are two sides of the same coin. Which side it lands on is anybody's guess...
I thought all authoritarian forms of government started out as socialism or communism. To make sure that everyone is treated equally and all get their fair share it's necessary to control those that refuse to conform. The defining rule is that the rights of the many outweigh the rights of any individual.
How can there be equality without control? If government is going to assure that all of our needs are met, and that no one is mistreated, doesn't it have to be present in every aspect of our lives? Understand that I've not studied this at all, it's just always seemed obvious to me, and something I've always assumed was a given.
This is just another way for the monarchy and royalists to control the peasants. Anyone want to bet that the royal families won't be put into 'sin bins'? That's only for peasants, not the overlords.
Government ownership of an industry has to do with this how?
You're thinking of Totaltarianism and that would only fit if this program isn't voluntary and was being pushed on law abiding citizens.
MovingTarget
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They can just as easily be capitalist. Equality has nothing to do with it. Recall the days of Monarchy/Despotism. As far as socialism/communism, thus far the implementations of it do involve this kind of control. However, with the right political system working in tandem it may not be a requirement. (I'll believe it when I see it though.) To claim that this is socialism doesn't work.
The UK has the highest rate of electronic surveillance in the world.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6108496.stm
While most adults here in the US can't imagine ever accepting a program such as the one described here, I really think the longterm battle has already been lost. In situation after situation, convience and safety arguments have trumped common sense concern about surveillance. We've moved from baby monitors, to "nannycams", to people who want to watch their kids at nursery school via webcams -- all in the name of child safety. We are raising a generation who will find nothing wrong with being surveilled at every moment of their lives and 20 years from now, those folks will wonder how we oldsters could possibly object to a government program that would codify what they are already used to.
Once people get used to this I can see giving camera to public officials to monitor public space. After all you aren't supposed to expect privacy in public anyway.
Next anyone who gets government benefits gets cameras....
Then..who knows?
The UK is really an example of why we have to fight for our rights in the US.
Like Ben Franklin said: "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch"
Next anyone who gets government benefits gets cameras....
Then..who knows?
The UK is really an example of why we have to fight for our rights in the US.
Like Ben Franklin said: "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch"
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We already have traffic cameras in many states that monitor lights, speed, railroad crossings, etc... While that certainly isn't as intrusive as this the fact remains that proponents argue "if you aren't breaking the law you don't have to worry." It scares the hell out of me what will come next if programs like this home surveillance become "normal" :Q.
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I'm still appalled that they have a [Think of the] Children Secretary.
This is just mind-boggling scary. I understand that it is for crazy dysfunctional families and not "normal" citizens (citizens being a term that will probably be less common) but that is one hell of a scary slippery slope.
This is just mind-boggling scary. I understand that it is for crazy dysfunctional families and not "normal" citizens (citizens being a term that will probably be less common) but that is one hell of a scary slippery slope.
No - put them in orphanage. If the parents are dangerous enough to require constant monitoring of how they treat their kids they shouldn't be living under the same roof.
I was joking about the above but honestly, orphanages aren't the best places in the world.
Besides, that is another slippery slope of "How good do you have to be to keep your kids?". If that mentality goes to far the state will raising huge chunks of children.
Pliablemoose
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I dunno, I've seen some pretty jacked up families, it's difficult to prove abuse sometimes, and this would protect the children.
Not that I would tell anyone to commit a crime but Mooning the Camera comes to mind.
I wonder if these are public cameras. With thousands of people to spy on, this might be interesting.
Call it the Ozzie 5,000 Channel.
Maybe this is cheaper than hiring more welfare workers. Might make an interesting research paper.
I wonder if these are public cameras. With thousands of people to spy on, this might be interesting.
Call it the Ozzie 5,000 Channel.
Maybe this is cheaper than hiring more welfare workers. Might make an interesting research paper.
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