2 Teens Charged in Attack at Texas Party --update Suspect an admitted skinhead

[Proletariat]

So what did I miss other than Nik and Lord Maul are idiots?

I knew this was gonna happen though with all the illegal immigration stuff going on.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gigapet
no it is biased its just never or rarely biased against WHITE PEOPLE.

:laugh:

That was funny; tell another one.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: gigapet
no it is biased its just never or rarely biased against WHITE PEOPLE.

:laugh:

That was funny; tell another one.

Why don't you just shutup?

 

[Compton]

Originally posted by: kogase
Anyway, the remedy for immature and rash kids is not parents who give kids a long list of restrictions, it's parents who sit down and take the time to know their children and explain to them (through communication and example) how to lead a righteous life. It doesn't work to just send your kid to Sunday school or chastise him every once in a while when he does something bad at school, you need to form a long lasting and significant relationship of mutual respect. That's the only way to go, but most parents feel like they're too busy and have much more important things to do than raise their children. It's a pity, because while the parents blame everything but themselves (including kids own natural and healthy sexuality) the kids become rotten to the core.

I'm not for restrictions. I believe in personal responsibility. I'm also Athiest, I don't believe Sunday school is worth a damn, but that's going really off topic.

I agree with what you say about parents, maybe people should wait until they're mature before becoming parents?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
So what did I miss other than Nik and Lord Maul are idiots?

I knew this was gonna happen though with all the illegal immigration stuff going on.

:roll: Another assumption.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: gigapet
no it is biased its just never or rarely biased against WHITE PEOPLE.

:laugh:

That was funny; tell another one.

Why don't you just shutup?

Why don't you just kiss my ass?

 

[Powermoloch]

=/

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Nik
:roll: Why the hell does the news media NEED to report their race? I don't understand seeing "white male" and "black male" and "hispanic this and that" in the news. I don't care about their race and neither does anyone else. It's like the news media likes to push their own agenda, making way too many things out to be racial when they're not or something.

Because it was a freaking racially motivated crime? Perhaps? Why are you so offended?

If they did this to a white teen instead of a hispanic teen, maybe they would not have used the racial terms because it would not have been a racially motivated crime.

 

[Specop 007]

Sad they did that to a poor hispanic.

They would have been far better served to shove a brick up his ass and mail him to Congress.

j/k

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: gigapet
no it is biased its just never or rarely biased against WHITE PEOPLE.

:laugh:

That was funny; tell another one.

Why don't you just shutup?

Why don't you just kick my ass?

fixed

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Legend

Originally posted by: Nik
:roll: Why the hell does the news media NEED to report their race? I don't understand seeing "white male" and "black male" and "hispanic this and that" in the news. I don't care about their race and neither does anyone else. It's like the news media likes to push their own agenda, making way too many things out to be racial when they're not or something.

While I would agree with certain reports, in this one it has relevance. You know, the second line:

"The attackers forced the boy out of the Saturday night house party, beat him and sodomized him with a metal pipe, shouting epithets "associated with being Hispanic," said Lt. John Martin with the Harris County Sheriff's Departmen"

Sounds like a real hate crime.

I'm willing to bet their racial slurs were simply to add insult to injury -literally. I bet if he'd left the 12 year old alone, they'd have left him alone. Too bad we'll never find out, though Poor dude just wanted some lovin'.

So it is the victims fault?

Maybe he should not have come here in the first place, huh?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: txrandom
Spring is like 20 minutes away from where I live. I'm hoping for the death penalty; we have too much white trash in Houston.

See? How do you know they're white trash? You're assuming, based on what the news media reported. The media just fuels the fire of ignorance.

Umm, I live in the South and we do have way too much white trash here. Come down here once in a while. You're probably stuck up there in the North somewhere. Oregon?

Many people here are racist and we have problems. Things are improving, but slowly. Much of the racism is not open nowadays here, but it is still there. I saw it first hand a few weeks ago.

This country is very racist, but compared to other countries, I would imagine a bit less.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Nik
:roll: Why the hell does the news media NEED to report their race? I don't understand seeing "white male" and "black male" and "hispanic this and that" in the news. I don't care about their race and neither does anyone else. It's like the news media likes to push their own agenda, making way too many things out to be racial when they're not or something.

Because it was a freaking racially motivated crime? Perhaps? Why are you so offended?

If they did this to a white teen instead of a hispanic teen, maybe they would not have used the racial terms because it would not have been a racially motivated crime.

I call certain white people n****rs all the time. My coworker usually greets me every morning with "mornin ya f'in jew!" I call my boss a midget even though he's not. Does it mean anything? No. Would I call them n****rs and f'in jews and midgets if we were beating the fawk out of each other? You bet. I just have a hard time equating real racism and hate with crimes like these. Correlation is not causation, but people seem to forget that.

If I were beating the fawk out of some white guy, I'd call him whitey and cracka and redneck and every other potentially offensive name I could come up with but that hardly means I actually hate whites. Get it?

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: flashbacck
In a crime this heinous wouldn't they try to charge the 17 yr old as an adult? If they did, would he still be exempt from the death penalty?

The USSC [Roper v. Simmons] says he is.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Nik
:roll: Why the hell does the news media NEED to report their race? I don't understand seeing "white male" and "black male" and "hispanic this and that" in the news. I don't care about their race and neither does anyone else. It's like the news media likes to push their own agenda, making way too many things out to be racial when they're not or something.

Because it was a freaking racially motivated crime? Perhaps? Why are you so offended?

If they did this to a white teen instead of a hispanic teen, maybe they would not have used the racial terms because it would not have been a racially motivated crime.

I call certain white people n****rs all the time. My coworker usually greets me every morning with "mornin ya f'in jew!" I call my boss a midget even though he's not. Does it mean anything? No. Would I call them n****rs and f'in jews and midgets if we were beating the fawk out of each other? You bet. I just have a hard time equating real racism and hate with crimes like these. Correlation is not causation, but people seem to forget that.

If I were beating the fawk out of some white guy, I'd call him whitey and cracka and redneck and every other potentially offensive name I could come up with but that hardly means I actually hate whites. Get it?

You're still talking?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: raildogg
So it is the victims fault?

Maybe he should not have come here in the first place, huh?

Why would it be the victim's fault? Please explain why you'd ask such a stupid question.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
You're still talking?

Oh buzz off, dill weed.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Nik
:roll: Why the hell does the news media NEED to report their race? I don't understand seeing "white male" and "black male" and "hispanic this and that" in the news. I don't care about their race and neither does anyone else. It's like the news media likes to push their own agenda, making way too many things out to be racial when they're not or something.

Because it was a freaking racially motivated crime? Perhaps? Why are you so offended?

If they did this to a white teen instead of a hispanic teen, maybe they would not have used the racial terms because it would not have been a racially motivated crime.

I call certain white people n****rs all the time. My coworker usually greets me every morning with "mornin ya f'in jew!" I call my boss a midget even though he's not. Does it mean anything? No. Would I call them n****rs and f'in jews and midgets if we were beating the fawk out of each other? You bet. I just have a hard time equating real racism and hate with crimes like these. Correlation is not causation, but people seem to forget that.

If I were beating the fawk out of some white guy, I'd call him whitey and cracka and redneck and every other potentially offensive name I could come up with but that hardly means I actually hate whites. Get it?

Since we can't get inside the heads of each other, we wouldn't know, would we? That is why we have a trial, etc.

If you were beating the "fawk" out of a white guy or a black guy, why the heck would you shout racist junk at them? What if there are people of his race nearby? Do you want your ass kicked by them?

As for calling them names and not actually meaning to insult the entire race or have those feelings for the entire race, that sounds weird. Yes, we joke about race a lot, but what you're saying is not a joke.

Also, the people who shout racist crap at someone and then say that it was only for that person, that they don't actually hate one race or another - that is complete BS. They are secret racists.

Also, why use racist terms at him? Why not just talk junk to him without the racist crap?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: raildogg
So it is the victims fault?

Maybe he should not have come here in the first place, huh?

Why would it be the victim's fault? Please explain why you'd ask such a stupid question.

You said if he had left the girl alone this would not have happened. There is no excuse for this.

And why should we trust these two? Maybe the hispanic teen was just being friendly? Or maybe they were friends?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Since we can't get inside the heads of each other, we wouldn't know, would we? That is why we have a trial, etc.

Trials can't get into the heads of the kids, either. The public doesn't know (yet?) the history of the kids to see if racism actually is an established staple of their life. We'll just have to wait and see what comes out in the trial -err, I mean, what the media wishes to say about the trial to try shedding only the light they want to shed on the points that fit their agenda. That's one reason I like news sites like Smoking Gun because they often times have images of the actual legal documents instead of some asshole reporter's twisted version of the trial.

If you were beating the "fawk" out of a white guy or a black guy, why the heck would you shout racist junk at them? What if there are people of his race nearby? Do you want your ass kicked by them?

You'd think that if I were beating the "fawk" out of someone, I would already have considered my surroundings before swinging.

As for calling them names and not actually meaning to insult the entire race or have those feelings for the entire race, that sounds weird. Yes, we joke about race a lot, but what you're saying is not a joke.

Well you either joke or you don't. There's no middle ground. You either say something offensive or you don't.

Also, why use racist terms at him? Why not just talk junk to him without the racist crap?

Because without them, an offensive vocabulary would be that much more stunted :laugh:

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: raildogg
So it is the victims fault?

Maybe he should not have come here in the first place, huh?

Why would it be the victim's fault? Please explain why you'd ask such a stupid question.

You said if he had left the girl alone this would not have happened. There is no excuse for this.

And why should we trust these two? Maybe the hispanic teen was just being friendly? Or maybe they were friends?

:roll: REEEEAAAAAADING COMPREHENSION FOR THE MF'ING WIN.

Maybe I'll put it another way.

If the two killers had not heard that he'd tried something with a 12 year old (who was probably a good friend of theirs), they wouldn't have had reason to confront him about it since "it" wouldn't have happened. Nobody's saying it's the dead guy's fault that he's dead. :roll: Don't be fvcking stupid, and don't put words in other people's mouths. Use your brain morans!

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Nik
Trials can't get into the heads of the kids, either. The public doesn't know (yet?) the history of the kids to see if racism actually is an established staple of their life. We'll just have to wait and see what comes out in the trial -err, I mean, what the media wishes to say about the trial to try shedding only the light they want to shed on the points that fit their agenda. That's one reason I like news sites like Smoking Gun because they often times have images of the actual legal documents instead of some asshole reporter's twisted version of the trial.

Well, in a trial we see the suspect's prior history and witnesses. They usually add something. So maybe the witnesses and other people can add something to this one? Like how these two teens who beat up the other teen acted in real life?

You'd think that if I were beating the "fawk" out of someone, I would already have considered my surroundings before swinging.

Yes and if the surroundings appeared as being dangerous enough for you not to use that racially derogatory word, then you would not.

Well you either joke or you don't. There's no middle ground. You either say something offensive or you don't.

When we're not actually serious about something, we joke. We talk about a race or whatever. What happened at the party in Texas was not a joke at all. When you're kicking someone's ass while shouting, that is not a joke.

Because without them, an offensive vocabulary would be that much more stunted :laugh:

[/quote]

True dat.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Sad they did that to a poor hispanic.

They would have been far better served to shove a brick up his ass and mail him to Congress.

j/k

I fail to see your little humor. A-hole

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: raildogg
So it is the victims fault?

Maybe he should not have come here in the first place, huh?

Why would it be the victim's fault? Please explain why you'd ask such a stupid question.

You said if he had left the girl alone this would not have happened. There is no excuse for this.

And why should we trust these two? Maybe the hispanic teen was just being friendly? Or maybe they were friends?

:roll: REEEEAAAAAADING COMPREHENSION FOR THE MF'ING WIN.

Maybe I'll put it another way.

If the two killers had not heard that he'd tried something with a 12 year old (who was probably a good friend of theirs), they wouldn't have had reason to confront him about it since "it" wouldn't have happened. Nobody's saying it's the dead guy's fault that he's dead. :roll: Don't be fvcking stupid, and don't put words in other people's mouths. Use your brain morans!

Heyo morans. :disgust:

Yes, it ultimately comes back to the hispanic teen who had contact with the 12 year old girl. As for being a good friend of theirs, how do we know that yet?

They had reason to confront him, but no reason at all to beat him up like that. It's like blaming America for 9/11 since we interfere with Osama's worldwide strategy. Some people are just fvcked up and they need to be punished.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Yes and if the surroundings appeared as being dangerous enough for you not to use that racially derogatory word, then you would not.

If I'd thought about it and did it anyway, do you think I'd care enough to stop and apologize to those around me who might have been offended by it? Hell no, I'd shout at them asking what other names I could call the dude while kicking the guy in the shins!

When we're not actually serious about something, we joke. We talk about a race or whatever. What happened at the party in Texas was not a joke at all. When you're kicking someone's ass while shouting, that is not a joke.

Yeah, the whole "lets go kill that guy" thing isn't a joke at all, but considering how lightly non-politically-correct-environments take language (like a TEEN PARTY) I think the law taking words so seriously is silly. By all means, throw the book at them for killing the dude. Please keep them out of society and for the love of god don't let them breed --but don't call it a hate crime just because the killers were one race and the victim was another --and don't call it a hate crime just because some teens were using slurs. They're TEENS for crying out loud. I'd be worried if they WEREN'T beating the hell out of each other every weekend and using every possible colorful metaphor in each sentence.