I don't understand our justice system. These boys need to be tortured, have their insides ripped out of them while they're still alive, and then propped on display by the side of the highway, held up in the air only by a metal pole that's jammed up their sphincters, with a sign that says "These racists were let off easy."
Originally posted by: raildogg
Heyo morans. :disgust:
Yes, it ultimately comes back to the hispanic teen who had contact with the 12 year old girl. As for being a good friend of theirs, how do we know that yet?
They had reason to confront him, but no reason at all to beat him up like that. It's like blaming America for 9/11 since we interfere with Osama's worldwide strategy. Some people are just fvcked up and they need to be punished.
K, simpler terms yet.
You walk up to some chick who's got an obviously huge, beefy, mean looking boyfriend or something. You kiss her. He beats your ass. Are you at fault? Partially, you asked for it!
Was this kid at fault? For kissing the girl when she's TWELVE, yeah. I'd say he was asking to get his ass beaten by her friends if they're normal friends, being protective of the weaker ones ya know? Certainly not killed, but I've stuck up for my younger female friends when they got unwanted attention from forceful boys and it wasn't a pleasant "please leave her alone" speech after the first offense.
We don't know what all happened that night, if the attention was unwanted, if there's a history of unwanted attention from this guy to the 12 year old, etc. and I doubt there will be proof shown during trial for anything other than the two boys killing the poor dude.
If the people around were offended enough, they might come after you.
You keep forgetting a thing called a trial. We will see what evidence is shown and what comes up. We don't know yet if it wasn't a hate crime or not.
You completely dismiss any indication of a hate crime - why are you so sure about this? Maybe race did play a role in this. Maybe other people were doing the same thing to the girl and just because a hispanic did it, they attacked him.
Yes, they are teens but they are 17 and 18. They are grown.
Wow, that is just insane. So this kind of thing doesn't shock you and doesn't make you upset?
A man was severly beaten by two punks and his life is threatened.
I don' know about you but we did not do this kind of stuff when I was that age, maybe I missed out on a lot of stuff.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: raildogg
Heyo morans. :disgust:
Yes, it ultimately comes back to the hispanic teen who had contact with the 12 year old girl. As for being a good friend of theirs, how do we know that yet?
They had reason to confront him, but no reason at all to beat him up like that. It's like blaming America for 9/11 since we interfere with Osama's worldwide strategy. Some people are just fvcked up and they need to be punished.
K, simpler terms yet.
You walk up to some chick who's got an obviously huge, beefy, mean looking boyfriend or something. You kiss her. He beats your ass. Are you at fault? Partially, you asked for it!
Was this kid at fault? For kissing the girl when she's TWELVE, yeah. I'd say he was asking to get his ass beaten by her friends if they're normal friends, being protective of the weaker ones ya know? Certainly not killed, but I've stuck up for my younger female friends when they got unwanted attention from forceful boys and it wasn't a pleasant "please leave her alone" speech after the first offense.
We don't know what all happened that night, if the attention was unwanted, if there's a history of unwanted attention from this guy to the 12 year old, etc. and I doubt there will be proof shown during trial for anything other than the two boys killing the poor dude.
Neither of these two were her boyfriend, or that we know of. What if the kiss was mutually agreed upon? Ever considered that? And a 12 year old and a 16 year old is not a huge thing. Maybe she is 12 years and 11 months old and he is 16 years and 1 month old. So 13 and 15 year olds? Yes, I'm stretching it.
The kid was not at fault because we don't know the situation. If she agreed to the kiss, then he is not at fault. If not, then he did something wrong. He is definately not at fault for getting insanely beat up. These two punks were not standing up for a female. They beat the heck out of someone based on some wild story or whatever. I don't know of any female that would appreciate that. This is just pathetic.
Even if the hispanic teen did go after the 12 year old girl, it gives no more reason to the two punks to do this to him. None whatsoever.
cKGunslinger
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I don't completely dismiss any indication of a hate crime. I'm not THAT stupid. I simply don't have an eye for marking everyone as a racist because certain things happen to fall into place. If they have an established history of crimes that are clearly motivated by nothing but racial prejudice, then at THAT point it would be fair to label them racists -not before.
Of course it doesn't shock me, but from my previous statements about throwing the book at them, one would think that I would be upset by the crime. I guess you missed that sentence in my posts. Oh well.
When I was a teen, I had my fair share of jerks around me. I remember one of my good friends walking into my youth group with a black eye and bandaged broken nose. Apparently she was going to use the bathroom at her cousin's house when one of her cousin's friends stuck his foot into the bathroom as she was shutting the door, pushed his way in, and threw her out because he had to use it and didn't want to wait for her. She flew out the bathroom and hit the wall in the hallway. When he came out, she was still screaming at him calling him names for doing so, so he broke her nose and gave her a black eye. After hearing what had happened, my buddy Mark and I went over to the cousin's house and beat the guy till he cried, warning him to steer clear of her and never lay a hand on her again. It worked.
That, along with other occasions with friends getting raped and being abused and taken advantage of by guys 10+ years their senior, has made me considerably defensive of my female friends. I guess I'm too bias in this sort of a situation? After reading the story, my first thoughts (assumed, of course) were of the two guys defending their friend against unwanted attention from this guy who's quite a bit older and I just can't get that idea out of my mind. 12 - 16 may only be 4 years, but at that age, that's a lifetime and far beyond any reasonable period of time between ages for romantic physical contact.
Of course it doesn't shock me, but from my previous statements about throwing the book at them, one would think that I would be upset by the crime. I guess you missed that sentence in my posts. Oh well.
When I was a teen, I had my fair share of jerks around me. I remember one of my good friends walking into my youth group with a black eye and bandaged broken nose. Apparently she was going to use the bathroom at her cousin's house when one of her cousin's friends stuck his foot into the bathroom as she was shutting the door, pushed his way in, and threw her out because he had to use it and didn't want to wait for her. She flew out the bathroom and hit the wall in the hallway. When he came out, she was still screaming at him calling him names for doing so, so he broke her nose and gave her a black eye. After hearing what had happened, my buddy Mark and I went over to the cousin's house and beat the guy till he cried, warning him to steer clear of her and never lay a hand on her again. It worked.
That, along with other occasions with friends getting raped and being abused and taken advantage of by guys 10+ years their senior, has made me considerably defensive of my female friends. I guess I'm too bias in this sort of a situation? After reading the story, my first thoughts (assumed, of course) were of the two guys defending their friend against unwanted attention from this guy who's quite a bit older and I just can't get that idea out of my mind. 12 - 16 may only be 4 years, but at that age, that's a lifetime and far beyond any reasonable period of time between ages for romantic physical contact.
I never said they were. I was just giving an example. What ever happened to abstract thinking?!
Jesus, do I have to spell out each and every possible situation in order to contribute to a discussion? Christ!Yeah, you are, but I'd kill my 13 year old daughter if she were kissing a 15 year old. Well not kill her, but she'd be grounded for life.
NOBODY'S FVCKING SAYING HE IS! :roll:
You don't know that they weren't standing up for her. Nobody but the people at that party know. Even then, it's going to be hard to prove. You don't know whether it was a wild story or whatever. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
Duh. Nobody's saying otherwise.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: raildogg
Heyo morans. :disgust:
Yes, it ultimately comes back to the hispanic teen who had contact with the 12 year old girl. As for being a good friend of theirs, how do we know that yet?
They had reason to confront him, but no reason at all to beat him up like that. It's like blaming America for 9/11 since we interfere with Osama's worldwide strategy. Some people are just fvcked up and they need to be punished.
K, simpler terms yet.
You walk up to some chick who's got an obviously huge, beefy, mean looking boyfriend or something. You kiss her. He beats your ass. Are you at fault? Partially, you asked for it!
Was this kid at fault? For kissing the girl when she's TWELVE, yeah. I'd say he was asking to get his ass beaten by her friends if they're normal friends, being protective of the weaker ones ya know? Certainly not killed, but I've stuck up for my younger female friends when they got unwanted attention from forceful boys and it wasn't a pleasant "please leave her alone" speech after the first offense.
We don't know what all happened that night, if the attention was unwanted, if there's a history of unwanted attention from this guy to the 12 year old, etc. and I doubt there will be proof shown during trial for anything other than the two boys killing the poor dude.
"who they believed had tried to kiss a 12-year-old white girl "
Got that part? Alright. Now, we also do not know if the 12 year old girl wanted to "hang out" or kiss the hispanic boy but her "friends" came along and bet the sh!t out of him because they could not stand seeing a hispanic boy trying to get with a white girl...we just don't know. But you know that...
I don't hold much to anything the news reports. They very well could have SEEN him do it and the news would still report that they believed he'd tried to, and would throw in several instances of "allegedly" just to be politically correct. I hate modern news media.
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Several things...
What does vietnam have to do with diddly...
Just becuase you enlisted at 16 has no bearing on whether you were an adults or not...
It just means your parents iether wanted to get rid of you or you were told iether enlist or go to jail. Which happenned alot!!
For you to say your response was "sarcasm" is such BS!!!!
There was 4 years age difference!!
You talk about age beinga factor....yet if some young woman took to trying to get you do the wild thang with her I bet you would not tell her..."I am soo sorry but your way to young for me...."
Well, I agree they went way overboard, but it does sound like they stoipped a child molester...
thats a laughable response on your part. But if you slowly read what you said its almost sad and pathetic that anybody could construe that kind of opinion based on the facts....or shall we say lack of facts....
What does vietnam have to do with diddly...
Just becuase you enlisted at 16 has no bearing on whether you were an adults or not...
It just means your parents iether wanted to get rid of you or you were told iether enlist or go to jail. Which happenned alot!!
For you to say your response was "sarcasm" is such BS!!!!
There was 4 years age difference!!
You talk about age beinga factor....yet if some young woman took to trying to get you do the wild thang with her I bet you would not tell her..."I am soo sorry but your way to young for me...."
Well, I agree they went way overboard, but it does sound like they stoipped a child molester...
thats a laughable response on your part. But if you slowly read what you said its almost sad and pathetic that anybody could construe that kind of opinion based on the facts....or shall we say lack of facts....
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Well yoda, maybe in YOUR trailer park, a 12 yr old girl is fair game, but not in any place I've ever been...
my experience has NO bearing on whether I was an "adult" or not, (obviously not, since I cound neither drink nor vote) but just to show, that at 16, you are much more than a child...which a 12 yr old still is..
like I said, maybe the alleged kiss was as innocent as a good friendly kiss on the cheek, but I doubt it...however, I'm sure those 2 redneck boys will have things 'splained to them purty well once they hit the lock-up...
As for the sarcasm, no, you're right. I do indeed think that the kid shold have been beaten nearly to death...after all, he was a mexican, messin with a white girl....sheesh...he did perhaps deserve an ass-kicking, but in no way could I condone what happened...heck, not even a republican deserves something like that...well, maybe a few republicans that I can think of...but not all of them...
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christ, but they look like trash... I'd be surprised if the prosecution didn't go for a special dispensation to ask for the death penalty for the 17 year old, in the event the victim dies.
christ, but they look like trash... I'd be surprised if the prosecution didn't go for a special dispensation to ask for the death penalty for the 17 year old, in the event the victim dies.
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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Specop 007
Sad they did that to a poor hispanic.
They would have been far better served to shove a brick up his ass and mail him to Congress.
j/k
I fail to see your little humor. A-hole
I dont see you saying a whole lot about the MS gangs and their machetes. In fact its funny, they get hardly any media exposure.
Hispanic gangs machete people to death = "ok" with no media coverage
White boys pipe a hispanic = "OH NOES" all over the news.
Yeah, tell me we dont have a double standard in this country.
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