2 NYPD cops ambushed, shot in head

[bshole]

I'm guessing sharpton, crump, and jesse will be absent in the criticizations.

Um guess again genius.... Al Sharpton speaks....

Our city is hurting, we are hurting. Today we mourn the loss of two NYPD officers who were gunned down in a vicious act of senseless violence. As soon as news broke of the tragedy in Brooklyn, I spoke with both the families of Eric Garner and Michael Brown. And let me be perfectly clear, we are all outraged and saddened by the deaths of these police officers. Any use of the names of Eric Garner and Michael Brown, in connection with any violence or killing of police, is reprehensible and against the pursuit of justice in both cases. At every rally and every march, we have stressed nonviolence and peaceful protests.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...rting-murders-nypd-officers-article-1.2052285

 

[KK]

Fire the cops who turned their backs immediately. That kind of disrespect and insubordination from law enforcement is indefensible. That level of unprofessionalism is unacceptable in any other vocation, why should it be acceptable for these guys?

this is the kind of attitude they are taking that is getting them in trouble. Government employees should not have unions.

 

[TheVrolok]

One side cannot be the victim forever. Maybe law enforcement will look into the abyss and decide that is not a place they want to go and stop their brutality against civilians. They're supposed to be peace officers, not soldiers.

This is the exact same argument your opponents have. Essentially, "they had it coming." So quite frankly, shut the fuck up or try to say something constructive.

 

[fskimospy]

The story dated 2013 so the data should be 2013 or earlier and not this year (2014). My point was it was NOT "proportionally greater than" as you claimed. When you have 65% of violent crime perps came from a certain group and 56% of stops were done on that said group, that was not "proportionally greater than". That's how I see it from the story/data of the link that I posted.

Yes, but that article was about how there was a shift last year after all the lawsuits and other attacks against the cops due to the super racist way they were acting for years. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement.

 

[fskimospy]

I have to say that even though DeBlasio in no way picked a fight with the police, fighting the police is probably a political winner for him. There's a pretty deep sense in the city that the cops need to be brought to heel.

 

[brianmanahan]

this is why i live out in the country

no cops, no thugs

just regular (for the most part) people

 

[brianmanahan]

Neither of those police officers were "white". Hispanic and Asian.

some people count those as white when it fits their line of thinking

 

[Dari]

some people count those as white when it fits their line of thinking

It has little to do with race. It was an Asian cop that shot Akai Gurley, all for taking the stairs. This issue is with police brutality.

 

[LegendKiller]

Um guess again genius.... Al Sharpton speaks.... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...rting-murders-nypd-officers-article-1.2052285

And completely fucks up.

The problem is this - the "justice" that is being sought for Michael Brown is false. They don't want justice, they want the witch burned at the stake. If they wanted justice they'd realize their son was a fucking moron, be sad he is gone, but be realistic that they raised him wrong and he died as a result.

If they were honest there'd be no false sense of injustice, there'd be just the realization that a bad guy caused his own demise.

Garner is a bit different but somewhat the same. Don't resist arrest and don't be uber-fat.

 

[LegendKiller]

Not surprised by this. The Police push an "Us vs. Them" attitude, eventually the "Them" will retaliate.

No, when people push the "we are innocent even though we try to beat cops" and act like fucking morons, they are going to get treated like fucking morons.

you act like cops are the ones that have 70% of their babies out of wedlock, shoot the fuck out of each other on the streets, kill people like Hadiya Pendleton...etc.

The problem isn't the cops, it is black culture.

 

[LegendKiller]

Fire the cops who turned their backs immediately. That kind of disrespect and insubordination from law enforcement is indefensible. That level of unprofessionalism is unacceptable in any other vocation, why should it be acceptable for these guys?

Maybe its because the vast majority of them are fine, they mostly get paid like shit, and yet aren't supported but are still called on to protect fucktards like you who wish even innocent ones will die to satiate your views.

 

[bshole]

Maybe its because the vast majority of them are fine, they mostly get paid like shit, and yet aren't supported but are still called on to protect fucktards like you who wish even innocent ones will die to satiate your views.

Yea that average salary for beat cops of 83K a year is just awful and the average salary of sergeants of 100k is criminal. The lieutenant salary of 138k is just awful. Do these people even need college degrees? I have a master's degree in engineering and only make around 100k. If I showed the level of disrespect that these "professionals" showed, I would be unemployed. http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/New-York-Police-Department-Salaries-E106980.htm

 

[fskimospy]

Maybe its because the vast majority of them are fine, they mostly get paid like shit, and yet aren't supported but are still called on to protect fucktards like you who wish even innocent ones will die to satiate your views.

A cop's starting salary is about $45k a year and after about 5 years it literally doubles to $90k and all for a job you don't even need a bachelors degree for. And this is before overtime pay, meaning many officers can earn much more than that. NYPD officers are among the best paid police in the country.

Considering the behavior of the cops and their stubborn refusal to allow for more accountability and oversight, maybe they share some of the blame for the bad community relations.

Nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of two innocent people, but don't act like the police have nothing to do with the bad relationship they have with their own city. (Although this guy wasn't even from nyc.)

 

[Svnla]

I guess when Asians are defrauding, threatening, and killing their own and their community goes along with it, you must be fine with it because those crimes never show up on any statistics. Gangsterism is alive and well in every community. The ones you don't hear about are the most successful...

Do you see me condone or make excuses of Asians or whites or any race when they did wrong? Click on this thread that I created and see the pic? Yup, lazy dumb ass white = http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2413326 So racist, eh?

Show me the stats of Asians with 70% out of wedlock children, show me Asians that shot other Asians to death almost daily, show me Asians that suck in schools and blame whiteys for everything under the sun. Show me some links and we can discuss further.

 

[Pneumothorax]

Um guess again genius.... Al Sharpton speaks.... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...rting-murders-nypd-officers-article-1.2052285

You do realize actions speak louder than words, and useless words from this hypocritical asshat don't mean s#@t!

 

[bshole]

You do realize actions speak louder than words, and useless words from this hypocritical asshat don't mean s#@t!

So you rip him for NOT saying anything and when he does say something, he is still wrong. Noice!

 

[LegendKiller]

A cop's starting salary is about $45k a year and after about 5 years it literally doubles to $90k and all for a job you don't even need a bachelors degree for. And this is before overtime pay, meaning many officers can earn much more than that. NYPD officers are among the best paid police in the country.

Considering the behavior of the cops and their stubborn refusal to allow for more accountability and oversight, maybe they share some of the blame for the bad community relations.

Nothing excuses the cold blooded murder of two innocent people, but don't act like the police have nothing to do with the bad relationship they have with their own city. (Although this guy wasn't even from nyc.)

90k in NYC? Wow, that'll buy you a great place on Staten Island. YAY!

Meanwhile, your career can be ended by shitbags bitching about "brutality" when you're simply doing your job or you just might get killed. Maybe you'll even run into a burning building to save an asshole like you and die for it.

 

[Matt1970]

Yea that average salary for beat cops of 83K a year is just awful and the average salary of sergeants of 100k is criminal. The lieutenant salary of 138k is just awful. Do these people even need college degrees? I have a master's degree in engineering and only make around 100k. If I showed the level of disrespect that these "professionals" showed, I would be unemployed. http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/New-York-Police-Department-Salaries-E106980.htm

That's NY City where the cost of living is through the roof. And you already admitted before to making $150K/year.

 

[fskimospy]

90k in NYC? Wow, that'll buy you a great place on Staten Island. YAY!

Meanwhile, your career can be ended by shitbags bitching about "brutality" when you're simply doing your job or you just might get killed. Maybe you'll even run into a burning building to save an asshole like you and die for it.

That's $90k in NYC before overtime and is close to 200% of the city's median household income. (Which in many cases included households with TWO earners) If your claim is that a single individual can be earning nearly double a location's median income after 5 years with no degree means they are paid like shit... I don't know what to tell you. That doesn't seem like a very rational standard.

As for if you might get killed, statistics continually show that being a police officer is not a particularly dangerous job. The current fatality rate is about 20 per 100,000 each year, most of that being traffic accidents. Actual violent death on the job is extremely rare.

If my building is on fire they better be trying to get people out, that's what we pay them for. I always find the argument that we need to give cops and the military special treatment to be among the shittiest arguments. They signed up for a job, not because they wanted to protect you, but because it pays. That's not special or interesting.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Um guess again genius.... Al Sharpton speaks.... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...rting-murders-nypd-officers-article-1.2052285

And you're hapy about this? We'd all be better if he spent more time shutting the fuck up.

 

[Angry Irishman]

fire the cops who turned their backs immediately. That kind of disrespect and insubordination from law enforcement is indefensible. That level of unprofessionalism is unacceptable in any other vocation, why should it be acceptable for these guys?

Hahahhaaa! What should they do? Shake his hand? There's a mob of people walking down the street chanting kill cops and he says nothing.....POS.

 

[HTFOff]

A third cop narrowly escaped with his life Saturday night when a suspect pointed a gun directly at the officer’s head and pulled the trigger in The Bronx — not realizing it was empty.

Cops went to East 140th Street in Mott Haven at 9 p.m. on reports of a man shooting out windows with a .357 caliber revolver.

They spotted the suspect, identified as Raymond Leonardo, 18, and ordered him to drop the gun. Instead, he took point blank aim at one of the officers, officials said.

When the gun didn’t work, he put it in his pocket and ran. Cops tackled him a few blocks away.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/21/man-aimed-gun-in-cops-face-pulled-trigger-officials/

 

[CitizenKain]

No, when people push the "we are innocent even though we try to beat cops" and act like fucking morons, they are going to get treated like fucking morons.

you act like cops are the ones that have 70% of their babies out of wedlock, shoot the fuck out of each other on the streets, kill people like Hadiya Pendleton...etc.

The problem isn't the cops, it is black culture.

Meanwhile, your career can be ended by shitbags bitching about "brutality" when you're simply doing your job or you just might get killed. Maybe you'll even run into a burning building to save an asshole like you and die for it.

How about when cops murder a 12 year old? I'm sure you are fine with it because to you, its one less black person.
How about John Crawford? What part of black culture got him killed? Oh right, racist white people did. People like you cheered it on too, because you feel like he deserved it.

Imagine that, your career can be ended by killing someone without cause or beating someone for no reason, why what a travesty. I can't believe we have to hold these paragons of virtue to rules like that.

 

[Jaskalas]

Al Sharpton speaks.....

While appropriate, and commendable for him... issue rises with him not being in control. If you let loose a rabid dog, after stirring them up... you're not going to be able to call them back - the damage is done.

He's not the "leader" he wishes he was... and frankly it'd be better for us all if he were. No, what he is going to realize is a new generation is rising up from these incidents, from the flames of this fire. Maybe the people on the street have other intentions than "peaceful protests".

 

[boomerang]

Nice to see the thread has devolved down to arguing about what the Police in NYC are paid. Waaah, they make more than me!

How many mechanical engineers are required to make traffic stops at 2 AM not knowing if the person in the car they are approaching is armed and/or has a hard-on for their profession and would just as soon kill them?

How many mechanical engineers have to interact day in and day out with the dregs of society while keeping an upbeat attitude because the haters of their profession are constantly watching in an attempt to get them disciplined or fired?

How many mechanical engineers have to show up at crime scenes where the husband has killed the wife, the kids and then himself and they walk in on the situation not knowing whether the bad guy is still inside gunning for him? Then, once they know that they themselves are not in danger they get to deal with the trauma of dead kids, blood and brains everywhere and then go home at the end of the shift and pretend none of it had any effect on them?

How many engineers are faced with child abuse cases where the child has been given back to the parent numerous times only to be beaten yet again to the point where the child no longer trusts anybody?

How many engineers are faced with hostage situations where they need to try and keep the hostages alive while neutralizing the perp all while not contaminating a crime scene and not stepping over behavioral boundaries that are ever-changing and that will more than likely result in them being torn a new one at the trial by the defense attorney who is being paid for by the same people who pay him?

How many engineers are required to show up at accident scenes where a drunk driver that has no license has plowed head on into a van with a family of six on their way out of town for Thanksgiving and the whole family is mangled almost beyond recognition that they were once human beings and the only child that survived the crash dies before his eyes bleeding to death while trapped in the wreckage?

How many engineers are publicly called out by their boss who tells the world that they are not to be trusted and are then expected to treat that boss with respect?

Some people in our society choose to do the jobs the majority of the people don't want to do. Not everybody gets to work behind a desk in an air-conditioned office and berate those that do the above tasks and far more that I haven't touched on.

They make more than me! I have never before referred to anyone here as a piece of shit but that changed with this post.