2 Abrams tanks vs. 10,000 Chinese cavalrymen: Who would win?

[intogamer]

Originally posted by: buzzsaw13
Chinese calvarymen of course, ZERG WINS

ZERGLING RUSH!

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Rangoric

Originally posted by: Yzzim
why did I read every response to this pointless thread?

that being said, the tanks win, hands down. Only downside to a tank in said conditions are gas, ammo, and overheating. With all those taken away it's supreme.

Yeah, I do like how any time a method for the Cavalry to win comes up, the hole is plugged by making the Tank for uber.

10,000 Men win.

Its just too big a difference of numbers. The two tanks have no means of keeping that many men off of themselves. Once they are there, there are ways to disable a tank.

Even discarding the fact that "obviously" the armor is impervious to all ancient and modern methods of doing bad things to steel, killing 10,000 men on horseback will take so long that they COULD dig a ditch while it was going on.

they can't just plow through all of the horsemen? it is 70 tons of steel, ceramic, and DU going 30mph, after all

fwiw i really haven't read any of the thread.

 

[SSP]

Repost!

 

[Capt Caveman]

This thread is still alive? ZOMG!!!

 

[DrPizza]

my only question, and the only reason I voted for the tanks, don't those tanks go 50mph or something like this? I'd like UpGrD to explain how people can "swarm" a tank that's moving 50mph. I certainly can't jump onto a vehicle moving at 50mph without getting killed. Run them over!! You don't need weapons. To scale, it'd be like claiming that 10,000 bunny rabbits can take out a pickup truck by swarming it.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
my only question, and the only reason I voted for the tanks, don't those tanks go 50mph or something like this? I'd like UpGrD to explain how people can "swarm" a tank that's moving 50mph. I certainly can't jump onto a vehicle moving at 50mph without getting killed. Run them over!! You don't need weapons. To scale, it'd be like claiming that 10,000 bunny rabbits can take out a pickup truck by swarming it.

~40mph on paved road. Horses can move upwards of 35mph. On dirt road you're having even more trouble for the tank. I say it's close enough. Plus this is not a drag race. It's like saying if you can run against a bunch of walking zombies they can't touch you. Forget that they are as strong as you, but I'm sure a few could touch you and do certain things even if could plow through them like a bulldozer. You only plow going forwards.. what about targets coming from the side?

 

[DrPizza]

Only 40mph? Oh heck yeah, the tanks don't have a chance against cavalry. I thought the difference in speed was much greater. If the soldiers were on foot, then the tanks still win though.

 

[LordMorpheus]

Originally posted by: LS20
theyre chinese..they could engineer an anti-tank device before the gunner gets the first reload in...

They'd need an american or soviet anti-tank device to copy first.

 

[TheNewbie]

Tanks wins hands down.
First of all you distance yourself from the mob (tanks drive faster than horses..)
Second you start shelling from 2-3 miles, once they get closer, you distance yourself some more, and repeat.
Eventually the mob is small enough you charge.

That is if you wanna be sophisticated, otherwise you can just run them over back and fourth along with some machine gun action, that would work as well.

 

[walkur]

Cavalry wins.

Even US soldiers need sleep.

Can't kill a tank with your rifle? just get in close enought and throw your rifle/shovel into the tracks. 1 or 2 might not do the job, but enough will do the job.

people who think the 2 tanks will win are dilusional

 

[TheNewbie]

Originally posted by: walkur
Cavalry wins.

Even US soldiers need sleep.

Can't kill a tank with your rifle? just get in close enought and throw your rifle/shovel into the tracks. 1 or 2 might not do the job, but enough will do the job.

people who think the 2 tanks will win are dilusional

Honey, I've personally seen an Israeli chariot tank being shot at and hit by 2 RPG's and 1 sagger missiles. And guess what?
The tank had some paint scraped off, the hostiles had to be scrapped off the ground.
You have no idea what you're talking about if you think you can throw some rocks on a tank and take it out.
Israeli tanks go on a daily basis for patrolling into Palestinians refugee camps where they are being attacked by mob and get improvised bombs thrown at constantly, guess what... The tank survives..

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: walkur
Cavalry wins.

Even US soldiers need sleep.

Can't kill a tank with your rifle? just get in close enought and throw your rifle/shovel into the tracks. 1 or 2 might not do the job, but enough will do the job.

people who think the 2 tanks will win are dilusional

An M1A2 can survive a shot from it's own main gun (120mm), multiple DU shots in fact. Do you think that even a modern medium powered cavalry rifle has a chance in hell of penetrating Chobham armor with kevlar lining?

Even if the tank was disabled it'd still have 2x50 cals with a 120 main gun shooting constantly. Unlimited ammo = insta death. Heck, you could even keep the jet turbine going and blow down anybody dumb enough to get close to the back, since that exhaust is high speed and high temp.

Sure, a horse can run 35mph, but is that unladden? Horses get tired and eventually can't run, a turbine engine can keep going much longer. 24/7 for I am sure more than a few days.

Even if the soldiers needed sleep how are the Chinamen going to get into the tank? Caffeine + good nutrition + water can keep them going a long time.

 

[Capt Caveman]

You know that the guns will overheat right? The tank will run out of gas? The tank will run out of battery power? The tankers will run out of supplies(not ammo). The calvary can outlast the tanks ability to fight and win.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
You know that the guns will overheat right? The tank will run out of gas? The tank will run out of battery power? The tankers will run out of supplies(not ammo). The calvary can outlast the tanks ability to fight and win.

The guns won't overheat if you fire them correctly. It's not like you keep the trigger down. The main gun doesn't need battery power, nor does the driver gun.

Two tanks can cover each-other pretty well.

What is the death rate? Could each tank conceivably kill 300/hr? Heck yes, that's 600/hr, 14,400/day. Technically, each tank would only need to kill 208/hr, which is completely reasonable, considering that's only 3 people a minute or .057 people per second.

 

[sdifox]

Originally posted by: LordMorpheus

Originally posted by: LS20
theyre chinese..they could engineer an anti-tank device before the gunner gets the first reload in...

They'd need an american or soviet anti-tank device to copy first.

I am sure they knew how to dig a big hole.

 

[narcotic]

Tanks would win this. You live in lala land if you think otherwise.
NEXT...

 

[crystal]

10000 would win easily. Who said anything those 10000 guys will charge the tanks head on? Their weight/armor will be their down fall. Just digs a few deep traps and those tanks are dead in the sand. Once the tanks are stuck, you can burn them, drown them or buried them. Nothing they can do really.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Did you guys ever read the post from the guy who actually was a tanker in an Abrams? He sided with the calvary.

 

[Alex]

Originally posted by: Safeway
Do the Chinese have an infinite supply of rice?

good question

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: crystal
10000 would win easily. Who said anything those 10000 guys will charge the tanks head on? Their weight/armor will be their down fall. Just digs a few deep traps and those tanks are dead in the sand. Once the tanks are stuck, you can burn them, drown them or buried them. Nothing they can do really.

Because obviously the tank crew can't see the pits. Nor can machine guns not go out a football field or two in range. Nor can the main gun shoot more than 4,000 ft. Other versions of the standard HEAT can fragment and have a bit less range. The most anti-personel weapon is this.

The new M1028 120 mm anti-personnel canister cartridge has been brought into service early for use in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It contains 1,150 ten-millimeter tungsten shot projectiles which spread from the muzzle to produce a shotgun effect lethal out to 500 m. The tungsten balls can be used to clear enemy dismounts, break up hasty ambush sites in urban areas, clear defiles, stop infantry attacks and counter-attacks and support friendly infantry assaults by providing cover-by-fire.

1,500ft, or over a quarter mile. Within that range can mow down hundreds of troops per shot. Outside of that it can still use it's other rounds. Inside of that it can use the machine guns located all around.

Essentially, the tank can be extremely lethal at all ranges. Avoiding tank traps would be easy in open ground.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: crystal
10000 would win easily. Who said anything those 10000 guys will charge the tanks head on? Their weight/armor will be their down fall. Just digs a few deep traps and those tanks are dead in the sand. Once the tanks are stuck, you can burn them, drown them or buried them. Nothing they can do really.

Because obviously the tank crew can't see the pits. Nor can machine guns not go out a football field or two in range. Nor can the main gun shoot more than 4,000 ft. Other versions of the standard HEAT can fragment and have a bit less range. The most anti-personel weapon is this.

The new M1028 120 mm anti-personnel canister cartridge has been brought into service early for use in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It contains 1,150 ten-millimeter tungsten shot projectiles which spread from the muzzle to produce a shotgun effect lethal out to 500 m. The tungsten balls can be used to clear enemy dismounts, break up hasty ambush sites in urban areas, clear defiles, stop infantry attacks and counter-attacks and support friendly infantry assaults by providing cover-by-fire.

1,500ft, or over a quarter mile. Within that range can mow down hundreds of troops per shot. Outside of that it can still use it's other rounds. Inside of that it can use the machine guns located all around.

Essentially, the tank can be extremely lethal at all ranges. Avoiding tank traps would be easy in open ground.

Man, you think people are so stupid as to create a trap and not cover it up. You see that those men & horses - they could ride over a perfectly looking ground but the tank would fall right through. Like I said, their weight and all those armors work against them.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: crystal
10000 would win easily. Who said anything those 10000 guys will charge the tanks head on? Their weight/armor will be their down fall. Just digs a few deep traps and those tanks are dead in the sand. Once the tanks are stuck, you can burn them, drown them or buried them. Nothing they can do really.

Because obviously the tank crew can't see the pits. Nor can machine guns not go out a football field or two in range. Nor can the main gun shoot more than 4,000 ft. Other versions of the standard HEAT can fragment and have a bit less range. The most anti-personel weapon is this.

The new M1028 120 mm anti-personnel canister cartridge has been brought into service early for use in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It contains 1,150 ten-millimeter tungsten shot projectiles which spread from the muzzle to produce a shotgun effect lethal out to 500 m. The tungsten balls can be used to clear enemy dismounts, break up hasty ambush sites in urban areas, clear defiles, stop infantry attacks and counter-attacks and support friendly infantry assaults by providing cover-by-fire.

1,500ft, or over a quarter mile. Within that range can mow down hundreds of troops per shot. Outside of that it can still use it's other rounds. Inside of that it can use the machine guns located all around.

Essentially, the tank can be extremely lethal at all ranges. Avoiding tank traps would be easy in open ground.

Man, you think people are so stupid as to create a trap and not cover it up. You see that those men & horses - they could ride over a perfectly looking ground but the tank would fall right through. Like I said, their weight and all those armors work against them.

Again, why would they even move? Unlimited ammo? Is a regular cavalry weapon good out to a quarter mile plus?

If they did move, they could even just have somebody walk out in front, since nobody would get near them within a quarter mile.

A tank trap big enough to snare one will have to be pretty well disguised. Not to mention it'll have to be built a long way out since thermal sites could pick out what's going on for miles.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: crystal
10000 would win easily. Who said anything those 10000 guys will charge the tanks head on? Their weight/armor will be their down fall. Just digs a few deep traps and those tanks are dead in the sand. Once the tanks are stuck, you can burn them, drown them or buried them. Nothing they can do really.

Because obviously the tank crew can't see the pits. Nor can machine guns not go out a football field or two in range. Nor can the main gun shoot more than 4,000 ft. Other versions of the standard HEAT can fragment and have a bit less range. The most anti-personel weapon is this.

The new M1028 120 mm anti-personnel canister cartridge has been brought into service early for use in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It contains 1,150 ten-millimeter tungsten shot projectiles which spread from the muzzle to produce a shotgun effect lethal out to 500 m. The tungsten balls can be used to clear enemy dismounts, break up hasty ambush sites in urban areas, clear defiles, stop infantry attacks and counter-attacks and support friendly infantry assaults by providing cover-by-fire.

1,500ft, or over a quarter mile. Within that range can mow down hundreds of troops per shot. Outside of that it can still use it's other rounds. Inside of that it can use the machine guns located all around.

Essentially, the tank can be extremely lethal at all ranges. Avoiding tank traps would be easy in open ground.

Man, you think people are so stupid as to create a trap and not cover it up. You see that those men & horses - they could ride over a perfectly looking ground but the tank would fall right through. Like I said, their weight and all those armors work against them.

Again, why would they even move? Unlimited ammo? Is a regular cavalry weapon good out to a quarter mile plus?

If they did move, they could even just have somebody walk out in front, since nobody would get near them within a quarter mile.

A tank trap big enough to snare one will have to be pretty well disguised. Not to mention it'll have to be built a long way out since thermal sites could pick out what's going on for miles.

You don't need to used small fire arm to kill the tank - just need to take out the tank operators when they get out for fresh air or taking a sh*t. Could they hold up in their for a however long since they are only mortal unlike the machine they operated on.
Speaking of unlimited ammo - you see those unlimited gun powders those 10000 men carry - they can used that to make however big bombs they need to take out any tanks you got sitting there.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: yllus
The battleground is, oh, the salt flats of the Mideast. Each side has unlimited ammo.

No poll. JUSTIFY YOUR DECISION.

2 Siege Tanks vs. a swarm of 10,000 Zerglings?
What more is there to justify?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: crystal
10000 would win easily. Who said anything those 10000 guys will charge the tanks head on? Their weight/armor will be their down fall. Just digs a few deep traps and those tanks are dead in the sand. Once the tanks are stuck, you can burn them, drown them or buried them. Nothing they can do really.

Because obviously the tank crew can't see the pits. Nor can machine guns not go out a football field or two in range. Nor can the main gun shoot more than 4,000 ft. Other versions of the standard HEAT can fragment and have a bit less range. The most anti-personel weapon is this.

The new M1028 120 mm anti-personnel canister cartridge has been brought into service early for use in the aftermath of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It contains 1,150 ten-millimeter tungsten shot projectiles which spread from the muzzle to produce a shotgun effect lethal out to 500 m. The tungsten balls can be used to clear enemy dismounts, break up hasty ambush sites in urban areas, clear defiles, stop infantry attacks and counter-attacks and support friendly infantry assaults by providing cover-by-fire.

1,500ft, or over a quarter mile. Within that range can mow down hundreds of troops per shot. Outside of that it can still use it's other rounds. Inside of that it can use the machine guns located all around.

Essentially, the tank can be extremely lethal at all ranges. Avoiding tank traps would be easy in open ground.

Man, you think people are so stupid as to create a trap and not cover it up. You see that those men & horses - they could ride over a perfectly looking ground but the tank would fall right through. Like I said, their weight and all those armors work against them.

Again, why would they even move? Unlimited ammo? Is a regular cavalry weapon good out to a quarter mile plus?

If they did move, they could even just have somebody walk out in front, since nobody would get near them within a quarter mile.

A tank trap big enough to snare one will have to be pretty well disguised. Not to mention it'll have to be built a long way out since thermal sites could pick out what's going on for miles.

You don't need to used small fire arm to kill the tank - just need to take out the tank operators when they get out for fresh air or taking a sh*t. Could they hold up in their for a however long since they are only mortal unlike the machine they operated on.
Speaking of unlimited ammo - you see those unlimited gun powders those 10000 men carry - they can used that to make however big bombs they need to take out any tanks you got sitting there.

How are they going to take them out if a tank can fire a shell that'll kill them at about 1mile? Regular rifles suddenly have the power to go that far against moving targets? Can they even aim that well?

Think of it for a few minutes. The two tanks can rush, firing those anti-personel shots at a rate of about 6/m. That means they can fill the air with 13,200 tunsten projectiles per minute, or 792,000 per hour. You really think that it'd take that long for them to whipe everybody out? For those sitting further away? The longer-ranged fragmenting rounds, which have over a mile range hits with about 500 fragments.

How are they going to carry the bombs big enough to kill a tank? They'd have to use slower methods, meaning the tank can spot it and kill it easily, exploding it and probably killing a few hundred at the time. Not to mention that regular gun powder needs to be a massive volume to do much damage. Those IEDs have explosive equivs to hundreds of pounds of TNT and rarely kill a tank.