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EagleKeeper

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.....from a 5'2" drunk teenage girl. ROFLMAO. HHH.....EEEE......RRRRR......OOOO!!!! Too funny.

This guy obviously has no business owning a firearm if he can't manage to open a door without "accidentally" discharging it.

Since he is the only witness, he has a good chance of skating on this. It will come down to whether he gets a white or black jury. This is a totally race based case which will be determined during jury selection. Look for his lawyer to kick every black juror off and the prosecution to kick every white juror off.

You are the one that wants it to be race related. Basing your opinion/condemnation on race vs what facts there are that are out there.
You want to ignore the overall situation and look and the end result vs the scenario that created the end result.
 

waggy

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Bleep you, the idea someone goes to sleep in 40 degree weather with the front door wide open is so stupid. And to reach this far for a straw to somehow build some mythical scenario just reinforces the reality, anything to show the dark person deserved it.

lol you are a idiot classy. You said nobody leaves a door open. he said they did. then you dismissed that. I said he was right people do it. then you have a hissy fit LOL


where have i said that it was justified shooting? i said we never had evidence for either. then said it sure looks like a bad situation in her having head trauma and him being scared.


sorry to burst your bubble. I have and know people who sleep with the door open but the screen closed (don't want animals getting in). my first house i did it often. why? no fucking AC and it was hot during the way and cooler at night.

just because you or NOBODY you know does does not mean it is not done.

You are just the flip side of spidey and spart. where they look for any reason to say it was the black persons fault you look for any reason to say it didn't. instead of looking and thinking objectively you go ignorant in your desire to be right.
 
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Aegeon

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Bottom line is, from what we know as fact, that homeowner followed both moral and social law to the letter.
This is flat out utterly untrue.

Right now there is dubious evidence at best suggesting anything other than an unjustified (accidental or otherwise) shooting when he could have shut the door again and locked it. (With the call police and wait with the gun option if the person persists.)

The screen evidence to out knowledge fits with the screen remaining closed when the shotgun went off. (And what you are claiming on this point is highly speculative at best without the defense even public claiming such a thing as of yet.)

In fact one of the key clear known pieces of evidence is the 911 call where the shooter merely mentioned banging on the door and said absolutely nothing about the women in question actually attempting to enter the home before hanging up.

From a moral standpoint I would note that even if there was enough screen damage technically legally allow him to shoot, he still should have shut and locked the door if it was clear he could do so before the individual was going to potentially come through. (Especially since unless he was exceptionally short for a man he presumably was taller than his target and didn't see immediate evidence they were armed.) If it was in fact an accidental shooting than the situation is about him not being a responsible gun owner.

(I don't really take issue with a position of waiting for all the evidence before coming to a final judgement, but you certainly at this point are coming across as effectively coming to a conclusion in his favor while engaging in wild speculation with virtually no evidence to support it in order to justify your conclusion.)
 

waggy

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.....from a 5'2" drunk teenage girl. ROFLMAO. HHH.....EEEE......RRRRR......OOOO!!!! Too funny.

lol

if you don't think a 5'2 drunk teenage girl can not be a thread you are a idiot.


Though i also think those saying she was trying to break into the house are idiots. that does not make sense why would she break into a house after hitting a car while driving drunk?

As i said i suspect she had bad head trauma (alcohol and a head injury is not a good combination) and got confused on where she was. Then the homeowner being scared didn't react right.

sad situation but i don't see murder. i can see a good case for lesser charge though. She was NOT in the home.
 
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I think he told her to get lost and it pissed her off. She probably tried to rip down the screen door to gain entry, likely shrieking expletives and threats, and he shot her in the heat of the moment.... Maybe even accidentally.

Personally, I would've shut and deadbolted the door. But under a stressful situation of a drunk and high bloody person trying to get inside his home I honestly don't fault him for shooting her.

It's easy, from behind a keyboard, to say what he or you could've should've would've done.
 

waggy

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I think he told her to get lost and it pissed her off. She probably tried to rip down the screen door to gain entry, likely shrieking expletives and threats, and he shot her in the heat of the moment.... Maybe even accidentally.

Personally, I would've shut and deadbolted the door. But under a stressful situation of a drunk and high bloody person trying to get inside his home I honestly don't fault him for shooting her.

It's easy, from behind a keyboard, to say what he or you could've should've would've done.

bwhahahahahahhahahahahah god you are insane.


you and classy..fuck.
 
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Hey, at least I'm open to changing my opinion as we get more evidence. Better than only looking at this in black and white, and refusing to accept any other possibilities.
 

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lol you are a idiot classy. You said nobody leaves a door open. he said they did. then you dismissed that. I said he was right people do it. then you have a hissy fit LOL


where have i said that it was justified shooting? i said we never had evidence for either. then said it sure looks like a bad situation in her having head trauma and him being scared.


sorry to burst your bubble. I have and know people who sleep with the door open but the screen closed (don't want animals getting in). my first house i did it often. why? no fucking AC and it was hot during the way and cooler at night.

just because you or NOBODY you know does does not mean it is not done.

You are just the flip side of spidey and spart. where they look for any reason to say it was the black persons fault you look for any reason to say it didn't. instead of looking and thinking objectively you go ignorant in your desire to be right.

I have been saying the same thing about people here since 2000, every time there is an incident, folks go to the extreme to find blame on the minority. So you know wag f you. I am nothing like any of you sobs, I just get tired of reading your bs.

Here are the FACTS so far you stupid @** clown. We know the damn screen door was locked. We know he shot through the screen door killing the girl. We know the police investigation found no signs of forced entry.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest he went to sleep with his front door open. NOTHING.............now either find something or anything of any substance to support this, or stfu.
 

waggy

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I have been saying the same thing about people here since 2000, every time there is an incident, folks go to the extreme to find blame on the minority. So you know wag f you. I am nothing like any of you sobs, I just get tired of reading your bs.

Here are the FACTS so far you stupid @** clown. We know the damn screen door was locked. We know he shot through the screen door killing the girl. We know the police investigation found no signs of forced entry.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest he went to sleep with his front door open. NOTHING.............now either find something or anything of any substance to support this, or stfu.

bwhahahahahah

how about you get back on point. YOU said nobody leaves a door open at night. jwon_lando posted that his parents do leave the door open at night. YOur response was to dismiss it.

I responded that he is right (because I have done the exact same thing he said his parents say).

THEN you have htis hissy fit bwhahahahahahahah All i have said is he is right on people sleeping with the door open.
 

bshole

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if you don't think a 5'2 drunk teenage girl can not be a thread you are a idiot.
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This girl was shorter than my son. Shes a full foot shorter than me. I would not have considered somebody that much smaller than me as a threat. Probably a mistake on my part... but my brain is programmed to see young short women as potential sex partners, not predators.
 

classy

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There's zero evidence of this occurring however, the police report describes a tear in the screen and the screen was dislodged.

Now this leads to several questions.

1) Was the tear in the screen there before the incident occurred?
2) Did the tear occur from the girl putting force against the screen?
3) Did the tear occur due to the shotgun blast?

1) Was the screen dislodged from the girl beating or pushing on the screen door?
2) Was screen dislodged by the shotgun blast.

The screens are held by internal screws placed in intervals and the screen is removed inward.


And to address this. There is no question a shotgun blast would dislodge a screen. But if you used common sense, what you are suggesting, while not completely dismissed is highly unlikely. And here is why. If the police report states there was a tear in the screen, just one as it suggests, you would have to believe he took the gun and stuck in the tear of the screen and pulled the trigger.

The chances of her tearing a hole in the screen and him shooting back through the exact same tear is highly unlikely. And given this was a tear to me would suggest the screen was metal based and not that soft fabric type.
 

waggy

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This girl was shorter than my son. Shes a full foot shorter than me. I would not have considered somebody that much smaller than me as a threat. Probably a mistake on my part... but my brain is programmed to see young short women as potential sex partners, not predators.

lol

When i was in hapkido we had a girl who was 5'2 and maybe 100 lbs. she was a tiny (and very hot) girl. BUT she was freakishly strong and fast.

I seen her put guys over 6ft tall and well build on the ground. she had made more then one yelp from joint locks.
 

classy

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bwhahahahahah

how about you get back on point. YOU said nobody leaves a door open at night. jwon_lando posted that his parents do leave the door open at night. YOur response was to dismiss it.

I responded that he is right (because I have done the exact same thing he said his parents say).

THEN you have htis hissy fit bwhahahahahahahah All i have said is he is right on people sleeping with the door open.

Really there butt wipe? Did you live in Detroit?
 

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And to address this. There is no question a shotgun blast would dislodge a screen. But if you used common sense, what you are suggesting, while not completely dismissed is highly unlikely. And here is why. If the police report states there was a tear in the screen, just one as it suggests, you would have to believe he took the gun and stuck in the tear of the screen and pulled the trigger.

The chances of her tearing a hole in the screen and him shooting back through the exact same tear is highly unlikely. And given this was a tear to me would suggest the screen was metal based and not that soft fabric type.

I'm glad you're so sure as the police said "could" not "would". I'm not so sure and outward shotgun blast would cause the screen to pop out in an inward direction.
 

HumblePie

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I will reiterate to you classy the law in Michigan. The doors do not have to have been forcibly unlocked to present to the homeowner a reasonable assumption McBride was attempting to gain unlawful entry into the home. The fact that the screen door is locked, of which I didn't actually see that in the police report so it is not a confirmed fact that I know of at this point, does not matter when it comes to the legal statute.

It is very hard to prosecute someone is using castle doctrine laws as an affirmative defense to defend their home. It doesn't require physical evidence of someone attempting to forcefully trying to enter a home for a homeowner to defend themselves by using lethal force. All it takes is a reasonable assumption by the homeowner that someone is trying to gain unlawful entry into their home.

Now, to break down that part, we have to go with what we know as facts that may or may not allow that reasonable assumption. Obviously signs of forcible entry WOULD be direct physical evidence that would allow anyone to reasonably assume that someone is trying to gain unlawful entry.

But there seems to be a lack of that evidence, as least shown to us by the media, of what could be positively construed as forceful entry. There is circumstantial evidence that may be construed, such as the screen being popped inward, but we don't know at this time if that was like that when McBride showed up or if she did that.

Since McBride is dead, there are no witnesses to the shooting that I am aware of, and there are no surveillance videos, the majority of evidence is going to come from the homeowner. Which is WHY it is hard to prosecute these kinds of cases. If the homeowner swears that McBride was shaking the door, slamming on it, screaming epitaphs at him to open the door, or anything along those lines then basically there is zero case without evidence to contradict those claims. Because all those actions claimed by the homeowner would be enough to allow for reasonable presumption that McBride was attempting to gain unlawful entry.

There is also enough circumstantial evidence to back up any of those claims, had they been made by the homeowner. These are in regards to McBride's drug addled mental state at the time. Someone on drugs and alcohol will not always react rationally and may have done things, such as trying to gain unlawful entry, that they would not normally do.

My bet is this though. In lieu of some hardcore physical evidence, this case is going to come down to what the homeowner actually stated to police. That is not to say that what he claims is the actions that McBride took. But the whole case, I believe, for the prosecution will rest on the statements made by the homeowner. Of which none of those statements have been made available to the public from the investigation.

Arguing over whether the screen door was locked or not doesn't really matter at this point. You, spidey, and spatiallyaware are just rilling yourselves up over out of place circumstantial evidence posted to the public by the media.
 

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Arguing over whether the screen door was locked or not doesn't really matter at this point. You, spidey, and spatiallyaware are just rilling yourselves up over out of place circumstantial evidence posted to the public by the media.

Give me a break don't try to play the neutral level headed person. You are one the biggest race trolls here, lol. You would come up with sound evidence why MLK needed to be shot.
 

HumblePie

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Give me a break don't try to play the neutral level headed person. You are one the biggest race trolls here, lol. You would come up with sound evidence why MLK needed to be shot.

I have always been the neutral level headed person. Unless you specifically try to insult me as you just did yet again without provocation. Just because I post a fact or an argument you don't like to hear doesn't make me a racist or a bigot as that seems to be your favorite slanderous term you like to fling out the moment an argument stops going your way.
 

EagleKeeper

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Where is the link that says the screen was pushed inward?

The police report states that the screen had a hole/tear and was popped out of the frame.

Until actual forensic tests are done, the assumption/logical explanation is the tear was caused by tbe shotgun blast. At this point there is no information provide as to the description/location of the tear.

The fact the screen was popped is a big issue. Screens are mounted into their channel from the inside of the door. Being held by a latch against the frame.

Force from the inside would tear the screen, not pop it out of the channel.

Force from the outside is how the screens are removed from the door. Pushed out of the channel