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162 year Jail sentence for Armed Robbery - First time offender!

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Jhhnn said:
So, Oh Lucky One, what was it that you did to be granted the privilege of immigrating to this country, anyway? Some great & heroic deed, or were you just standing in the right place at the right time? Is your ego, your sense of self worth, so fragile that you must discount fortune as a factor in everybody's life?

It's obviously election season in Florida, with the concomitant raving & chest thumping coming from the usual fascists in office. Which means that somebody is gonna get fucked, hard. Not because they deserve it more than any other defendant, but because authority figures need to be perceived as "tough on crime!" by "Making an example" of somebody, anybody that they can. Gotta be careful with that, because it's not like the citizenry would be willing to pay for that kind of incarceration for all the others guilty of similar crimes, or that the next dumbass committing armed robbery will even know or care about the guy they sent to rot for life. It just matters that a certain temporary perception be created among the electorate, that power holders remain in office, even if they must appeal to the worst instincts of the most gullible & self righteous voters to do so.

You qualify, because you derive perverse emotional pleasure from witnessing an authoritarian fuckover perpetrated against a member of a group you obviously despise.
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what the hell kind of leftist, poor-innocent-criminal, the "man" is keeping me down drivel is this?

I don't give a damn about this 'rollin' with my homies' criminal demanding leniency for 7 armed robberies. Typical bleeding heart: caring more about the criminal's well being than the victims of their crimes, who, in all likelihood, have been permanently traumatized by them. But that doesn't matter does it? As long as you have a poster child for your 'conspiracy theory' view of justice.

Yeah, he is sentenced to 161 years for minding his own business and being black. Keep the faith.
 
so when he does 7 more robberies that would be second offense??
anybody that read title of the thread knew that there's more to it than what title says.
 
Iron Woode said:
what the hell kind of leftist, poor-innocent-criminal, the "man" is keeping me down drivel is this?

I don't give a damn about this 'rollin' with my homies' criminal demanding leniency for 7 armed robberies. Typical bleeding heart: caring more about the criminal's well being than the victims of their crimes, who, in all likelihood, have been permanently traumatized by them. But that doesn't matter does it? As long as you have a poster child for your 'conspiracy theory' view of justice.

Yeah, he is sentenced to 161 years for minding his own business and being black. Keep the faith.
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Magnificent display of false attribution in the self righteous construction of the usual strawman.

Every criminal who commits multiple armed robberies should get 161 years, and the taxpayers should gleefully foot the bill for that. Let's privatize the prison system while we're at it so that politicians can be incentivized to do more of the same via graft & campaign contributions.

Nevermind that the ability to invoke harsh sentences quite capriciously is the signature display of totalitarian govt, while the acceptance of such is an open invitation to even more of it.

Just so long as the perp is shown to be guilty, then the whole idea of Justice, equal protection under the law & the prohibition of cruel & unusual punishment can be set aside in favor of smug & shallow emotional satisfaction, particularly when such efforts are aimed at individuals who are members of a despised minority.
 
This guy committed armed robbery, he has to go to jail for what he did, People that steal are pathetic, He is lucky he isn't getting the death penalty
 
Jhhnn said:
Magnificent display of false attribution in the self righteous construction of the usual strawman.

Every criminal who commits multiple armed robberies should get 161 years, and the taxpayers should gleefully foot the bill for that. Let's privatize the prison system while we're at it so that politicians can be incentivized to do more of the same via graft & campaign contributions.

Nevermind that the ability to invoke harsh sentences quite capriciously is the signature display of totalitarian govt, while the acceptance of such is an open invitation to even more of it.

Just so long as the perp is shown to be guilty, then the whole idea of Justice, equal protection under the law & the prohibition of cruel & unusual punishment can be set aside in favor of smug & shallow emotional satisfaction, particularly when such efforts are aimed at individuals who are members of a despised minority.
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What the hell are you going on about? 😵 Do yourself a favour and don't turn into a Craig234 clone. Argue against what people are saying instead of taking the barest threads to go off on your own tangent. It is quite possible to both believe the U.S. prison and legal system is going horribly awry and still believe this man deserves a double-digit prison sentence.
 
Jhhnn said:
Magnificent display of false attribution in the self righteous construction of the usual strawman.

Every criminal who commits multiple armed robberies should get 161 years, and the taxpayers should gleefully foot the bill for that. Let's privatize the prison system while we're at it so that politicians can be incentivized to do more of the same via graft & campaign contributions.

Nevermind that the ability to invoke harsh sentences quite capriciously is the signature display of totalitarian govt, while the acceptance of such is an open invitation to even more of it.

Just so long as the perp is shown to be guilty, then the whole idea of Justice, equal protection under the law & the prohibition of cruel & unusual punishment can be set aside in favor of smug & shallow emotional satisfaction, particularly when such efforts are aimed at individuals who are members of a despised minority.
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again with the conspiracy theories and the OWS mindset.

You just demonstrated a perfect example of the straw man argument. Take a related part of the issue and make it your point and then tear it down whilst ignoring the real issue.

Bravo.

I have a solution to your delusion: don't commit felony crimes (or any crimes for that matter) and you won't spend time in prison. Less people in jail, less money spent on housing criminals. Everyone wins.
 
fustercluck said:
Yes! Let's just put all criminals in jail for life. Good thinking!

Also the kid is black...hrm I wonder if that had anything to do with the sentence 🙄 - Jesus it's tough to be a young black man in Florida. Quartavious is also an...interesting name.
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I am not sure what being 'black' has to do with this.

Here in Florida we have FMU and FAMU that will gladly take in any qualified black folks and are really decent schools.

He and all of his 'friends' should be in jail for 20+ years.

I don't care if I have to pay more in taxes to allow that.
 
The ONLY problem I have with this is:

Davis, who still maintains his innocence, was the only one of the six men charged who went to trial. The others cut plea deals that left them with sentences of nine to 22 years in prison.
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The rest hung the crime on him through plea bargaining...They should ALL have received the same sentence...or worse if they were repeat offenders.

This fucking country is too soft on crime...doesn't matter if it's a red or blue state, criminals get off pretty light in most cases...and criminals' rights seem to matter more than the rights of their victims.

"Habitual Criminal" should require three separate convictions, not three convictions at the same time...BUT, it should also carry the death penalty. If a person is that unwilling to live in society without preying on the rest of us, remove them permanently from society...and from the face of the earth.
 
BoomerD said:
"Habitual Criminal" should require three separate convictions, not three convictions at the same time...BUT, it should also carry the death penalty. If a person is that unwilling to live in society without preying on the rest of us, remove them permanently from society...and from the face of the earth.
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The problem is that libs don't like the death penalty, and they're right to some degree because police do make mistakes from time to time. I had an awesome idea of how to get around this. Inmates on death row would have a limitless supply of needles and a limitless supply of heroin. The way it works is very simple: heroin is extraordinarily dangerous because the amount needed to kill you is only slightly more than the amount needed to get high. It's a ratio of roughly 2:1. Give a guy a pound of heroin and the law of averages says ONE of these times he will accidentally (or intentionally) kill himself by taking too much. It's humane too. Falling into a heroin sleep and never waking up is probably a lot more pleasant than the electric chair.
 
Iron Woode said:
again with the conspiracy theories and the OWS mindset.

You just demonstrated a perfect example of the straw man argument. Take a related part of the issue and make it your point and then tear it down whilst ignoring the real issue.

Bravo.

I have a solution to your delusion: don't commit felony crimes (or any crimes for that matter) and you won't spend time in prison. Less people in jail, less money spent on housing criminals. Everyone wins.
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There's no conspiracy- just demonstrable events. What purpose other than pandering can widely disparate sentences serve? Explain that. I'm confident that other such perps definitely have not all received similar sentences in Florida.
The real issue being what, exactly? That equal protection & the prohibition against cruel & unusual punishment don't apply when ignoring them lets you feel good, get wood, do your little superior dance?

I never offered that the guy shouldn't do time, at all. OTOH, your mock piety serves no purpose other than the denial of the idea that crime doesn't serve as an excuse for obvious pandering & injustice on the part of authorities. Your little tome about less crime means less people in prison means less expenditure flies in the face of your support of sentencing that insures more people in prison long past a reasonable period of incarceration for the offenses committed.
 
BoomerD said:
The ONLY problem I have with this is:



The rest hung the crime on him through plea bargaining...They should ALL have received the same sentence...or worse if they were repeat offenders.

This fucking country is too soft on crime...doesn't matter if it's a red or blue state, criminals get off pretty light in most cases...and criminals' rights seem to matter more than the rights of their victims.

"Habitual Criminal" should require three separate convictions, not three convictions at the same time...BUT, it should also carry the death penalty. If a person is that unwilling to live in society without preying on the rest of us, remove them permanently from society...and from the face of the earth.
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all said, my biggest problem is this guy thinking he is innocent. He committed crimes and admits he carried a gun.

Why was he packing? Of course, he will profess he'd never harm a fly. I am willing to bet with even $2000 in his hands and a security guard closing in, he'd kill that man.
 
Jhhnn said:
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What purpose other than pandering can widely disparate sentences serve? Explain that. I'm confident that other such perps definitely have not all received similar sentences in Florida.
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I'm guessing that him carrying a gun and engaging in a shootout is what earned him 25 yr per robbery.

Engaging in a shootout demonstrates that not only are you wiling to kill someone in a robbery, but he actually tried to.

I could be wrong, but seems to me many states have laws that mandate harsher sentences if a gun is used in the commission of a crime.

So, I'm guessing his sentence is so much longer than the others because (1) he attempted to kill someone and (2) he carried a gun in each of the robberies whereas they did not.

I seem to recall seeing billboards in various parts of the country as I've traveled around saying 10 yrs minimum if you use a gun in a crime. That's much less than 25 yrs. However, even if the more reasonable number of 10 yrs was used, when combined with attempted murder he was going to get a life-type sentence anyway.

Fern
 
We need to work on ways of making punishment harder and longer. I was playing WoW the other day and there's this dungeon called Scholomance where evil wizards torture people and use magic to keep them alive so they can be tortured longer. We should invest in something like that.
 
Jhhnn said:
Magnificent display of false attribution in the self righteous construction of the usual strawman.

Every criminal who commits multiple armed robberies should get 161 years, and the taxpayers should gleefully foot the bill for that. Let's privatize the prison system while we're at it so that politicians can be incentivized to do more of the same via graft & campaign contributions.
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No every criminal who commits 7 armed robberies should be executed.

It should not be necessary to have 20 years of appeals in this case. Because "maybe" the state is wrong in 1 or 2 of the cases.

But how many people are going to coincidentally have enough evidence to convict them of 7 armed robberies?
 
ShawnD1 said:
We need to work on ways of making punishment harder and longer. I was playing WoW the other day and there's this dungeon called Scholomance where evil wizards torture people and use magic to keep them alive so they can be tortured longer. We should invest in something like that.
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Are you the recent imported user too?
 
nehalem256 said:
But how many people are going to coincidentally have enough evidence to convict them of 7 armed robberies?
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You'd be surprised. Some people get hardcore jail sentences with very little evidence. If you're a dick and the jury thinks you're a dick, that's all it takes. Looks like a dick --> let's execute him.

I haven't done jury duty before but I'm pretty sure I would do that too. Yeah the evidence is kinda sketchy but look at this goofball on trial. He has tatoos on his face and they're spelled wrong. Who cares if he didn't do this particular crime; he's still a piece of shit.
 
ShawnD1 said:
You'd be surprised. Some people get hardcore jail sentences with very little evidence. If you're a dick and the jury thinks you're a dick, that's all it takes. Looks like a dick --> let's execute him.

I haven't done jury duty before but I'm pretty sure I would do that too. Yeah the evidence is kinda sketchy but look at this goofball on trial. He has tatoos on his face and they're spelled wrong. Who cares if he didn't do this particular crime; he's still a piece of shit.
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QFT

people vote on emotion today even when they screw themselves in the process.
 
alkemyst said:
all said, my biggest problem is this guy thinking he is innocent. He committed crimes and admits he carried a gun.

Why was he packing? Of course, he will profess he'd never harm a fly. I am willing to bet with even $2000 in his hands and a security guard closing in, he'd kill that man.
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There's no justice in "making an example" out of anybody contrary to the belief of our resident ravers, which is exactly what prosecutors set out to do. The next guy who commits armed robbery in Florida won't even know that Quarterious Davis even exists. Pander, pander, pander!

Last time I checked, "Woulda if he coulda" isn't something people are charged with in a court of law...
 
ShawnD1 said:
You'd be surprised. Some people get hardcore jail sentences with very little evidence. If you're a dick and the jury thinks you're a dick, that's all it takes. Looks like a dick --> let's execute him.

I haven't done jury duty before but I'm pretty sure I would do that too. Yeah the evidence is kinda sketchy but look at this goofball on trial. He has tatoos on his face and they're spelled wrong. Who cares if he didn't do this particular crime; he's still a piece of shit.
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As someone who has sat through the jury selection process I can tell you that the questions asked by both teams of lawyers and the serving judge are specifically designed to weed out jurors who will not based their verdicts strictly on the presumption of innocence until proven guilty along with a strict adherence to the laws in question of being violated. No that doesn't mean someone cannot lie and get on a jury but vast majority of people doing jury duty would rather not be there in the first place and most people with such views as you describe disqualify themselves in the juror selection process when both sides get to question jurors prior to the selection process.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
As someone who has sat through the jury selection process I can tell you that the questions asked by both teams of lawyers and the serving judge are specifically designed to weed out jurors who will not based their verdicts strictly on the presumption of innocence until proven guilty along with a strict adherence to the laws in question of being violated. No that doesn't mean someone cannot lie and get on a jury but vast majority of people doing jury duty would rather not be there in the first place and most people with such views as you describe disqualify themselves in the juror selection process when both sides get to question jurors prior to the selection process.
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So, uhh, they weeded you out, huh?
 
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