162 year Jail sentence for Armed Robbery - First time offender!

[HamburgerBoy]

Jhhnn, what do you consider to be a fair punishment for someone convicted of several armed robberies? If your argument was against the testimony being largely based on that of his accomplices who received plea deals I could agree with you to an extent, but your argument seems to be almost entirely based around that armed robberies in general are not treated as harshly as they were regarding the dude in the op. However, in ten seconds with some Google-fu I can find this, which states that 20 years is the minimum for armed robberies in which a gun is fired. If you can find stories of white people firing guns in the act of a robbery receiving less you will have a valid point, but that is your job to demonstrate.

 

[Smoblikat]

I am supposed to feel sympothy for this piece of garbage?

Thats what the liberals want

 

[OutHouse]

Also the kid is black...hrm I wonder if that had anything to do with the sentence

im pretty sure it was doing the 7 ARMED robberies that got him that time... jesus grow the fuckup.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Do we know the races of his accomplices? In general when I see these robbery stories they tend to be of the same race (all black, all white, all Hispanic, etc) but maybe not in this case. Is it still a race issue if his buddies that got 9 years are black as well?

 

[Jhhnn]

Jhhnn, what do you consider to be a fair punishment for someone convicted of several armed robberies? If your argument was against the testimony being largely based on that of his accomplices who received plea deals I could agree with you to an extent, but your argument seems to be almost entirely based around that armed robberies in general are not treated as harshly as they were regarding the dude in the op. However, in ten seconds with some Google-fu I can find this, which states that 20 years is the minimum for armed robberies in which a gun is fired. If you can find stories of white people firing guns in the act of a robbery receiving less you will have a valid point, but that is your job to demonstrate.

I never claimed racism on the part of the prosecutors, but rather on the part of some of our ravers, based on comments in this thread & on past performance.

For some reason, Davis was apparently tried in federal rather than state court, making your link a non sequiter. It's called venue shopping, where authorities want to give the defendant the steepest possible sentence.

If the rest of the crew received sentences in the 9-22 year range, then Davis should have received similar or slightly more, depending.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

I never claimed racism on the part of the prosecutors, but rather on the part of some of our ravers, based on comments in this thread & on past performance.

For some reason, Davis was apparently tried in federal rather than state court, making your link a non sequiter. It's called venue shopping, where authorities want to give the defendant the steepest possible sentence.

If the rest of the crew received sentences in the 9-22 year range, then Davis should have received similar or slightly more, depending.

The other guys received plea bargains, so their sentences are irrelevant. If a plea bargain and a conviction carry the same sentence, there is no incentive to take the bargain.

IMO, a 9-22 year sentence is too short for what this guy did. I think he should serve at least 20 years, which probably equates to a 40 year sentence given parole policies. That said, I don't think a life sentence crosses the line into cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[wirednuts]

it almost seems like theres so many people in jail, that if we just made all of them work full time the rest of us wouldnt have to.

 

[Greenman]

If someone is going to be in jail this long then there should be a referendum. During the next election the citizens of that state should decide whether to kill him/her. No use wasting away in prison. Even if he becomes a good man and does everything right, he will be of no use to society and, therefore, should be turned to fertilizer.

Most people are of no use to society, should they all be killed?

 

[fustercluck]

This guy committed armed robbery, he has to go to jail for what he did, People that steal are pathetic, He is lucky he isn't getting the death penalty

No one's arguing that the guy shouldn't go to jail for a long time. Just perhaps not 162 years. And what the hell do you mean he's lucky he isn't getting the death penalty...why the hell would he? Though he might prefer the death penalty to life in prison.

im pretty sure it was doing the 7 ARMED robberies that got him that time... jesus grow the fuckup.

I'm not saying he's going to jail because he's black, saying he's getting 162 years because he's black. Imagine if it was a white girl that did these crimes...she would have got 5-15 years and we would have never had heard about her.

Don't even need to bring race into it though, 162 years for armed robbery where no one was harmed is just ridiculous no matter who what when where or why. Buuuut that's just me I suppose.

 

[dmcowen674]

The ONLY problem I have with this is:

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Davis, who still maintains his innocence, was the only one of the six men charged who went to trial. The others cut plea deals that left them with sentences of nine to 22 years in prison.

The rest hung the crime on him through plea bargaining...They should ALL have received the same sentence...or worse if they were repeat offenders.

That sounds like selective prosecution.

It will be appealed and re-sentenced.

 

[xj0hnx]

Magnificent display of false attribution in the self righteous construction of the usual strawman.

Every criminal who commits multiple armed robberies should get 161 years, and the taxpayers should gleefully foot the bill for that. Let's privatize the prison system while we're at it so that politicians can be incentivized to do more of the same via graft & campaign contributions.

Nevermind that the ability to invoke harsh sentences quite capriciously is the signature display of totalitarian govt, while the acceptance of such is an open invitation to even more of it.

Just so long as the perp is shown to be guilty, then the whole idea of Justice, equal protection under the law & the prohibition of cruel & unusual punishment can be set aside in favor of smug & shallow emotional satisfaction, particularly when such efforts are aimed at individuals who are members of a despised minority.

Your priorities for society are seriously fucked up, and your bullshit race card is worn out and faded. You need to get a grip, the dude commit 7 armed robberies, and got in a shoot out in front of a Wendy's during one of them, would you be singing your same sad, poor black kid song if he had blown some little girls head off during his shoot out? What a fucking idiot.

Yes, the sentence is too extreme, it's way too long because it is going to cost taxpayers way too much to keep him neck deep in three hots and a cot in the criminal academy. The real injustice is that the other guys didn't get sentenced as long.

 

[Wordplay]

No one's arguing that the guy shouldn't go to jail for a long time. Just perhaps not 162 years. And what the hell do you mean he's lucky he isn't getting the death penalty...why the hell would he? Though he might prefer the death penalty to life in prison.



I'm not saying he's going to jail because he's black, saying he's getting 162 years because he's black. Imagine if it was a white girl that did these crimes...she would have got 5-15 years and we would have never had heard about her.

Don't even need to bring race into it though, 162 years for armed robbery where no one was harmed is just ridiculous no matter who what when where or why. Buuuut that's just me I suppose.

No he got 162 years because his buddies put everything on him. Also it is armed robberies. If you use a weapon in a robbery that means you are willing to hurt someone IMO. The fact that no one got hurt doesn't mean crap.

 

[classy]

This was a crime spree in which he had a gun and fired it a couple of times. Now while 162 years is excessive, I see where the judge is coming from. Its just lucky no one got hurt and this is the type of person you don't want back on the street until they are are just too old to do any damage.

 

[ichy]

He was caught for seven armed robberies. God knows what else he got away with. Fuck him. Life for a single conviction would be harsh, but this guy is human trash that deserves no better.

The one part that bugs me is that we have to pay to feed and house him for the rest of his life. If it were up to me I'd make him eligible for parole after a couple of decades so there's at least a chance the taxpayers wouldn't have to pay for his worthless ass for the rest of his life.

 

[ShawnD1]

The one part that bugs me is that we have to pay to feed and house him for the rest of his life. If it were up to me I'd make him eligible for parole after a couple of decades so there's at least a chance the taxpayers wouldn't have to pay for his worthless ass for the rest of his life.

Other countries often try to rebuild the person and make them useful. Teach them how to fix cars, how to weld, how to do carpentry. They can actually get a job and pay taxes when they are released. USA and Canada seem to have this weird idea that training people to be good citizens is bad.
-welding is bad
-having skills is bad
-understanding math is bad
-criminals should only learn how to commit more crime while in prison
-criminals should create life long gang affiliations along racial lines while in prison

 

[piasabird]

How can this be his first offense if he is accused of a string of robberies. He is a repeat offender. This is just the first time he got caught. This is a slam dunk. They just charged him with multiple crimes and added up the sentences to be served back to back. I guess this shows that you should not be forthcoming with the police.

 

[Keeper]

If he committed one robbery then you may have an argument it was harsh. But the fact he did multiple armed robberies....fuck him. Hope he rots. Funny how he whines about his injustice but clearly he never gave a shit about his victims.

Totally agree. And rememeber, the gun is there for this reason:

Don't do as I say, or DO something to stop me; I trade your life for that $200 bucks in the cash register.

NOPE... EFF HIM..... SUCKS we have to support him now. Maybe we will get lucky and he dies in prison.

 

[Linux23]

Its so sad people just say, lock this guy up for life, without even understanding the root cause of why this guy was in this situation in the first place.

If we fix the cause of these issues, we can fix the issue before it gets to this point because there are 100 more of these people being born every minute that's going to take his place and be 100 times worse.

 

[JockoJohnson]

No one's arguing that the guy shouldn't go to jail for a long time. Just perhaps not 162 years. And what the hell do you mean he's lucky he isn't getting the death penalty...why the hell would he? Though he might prefer the death penalty to life in prison.



I'm not saying he's going to jail because he's black, saying he's getting 162 years because he's black. Imagine if it was a white girl that did these crimes...she would have got 5-15 years and we would have never had heard about her.

Don't even need to bring race into it though, 162 years for armed robbery where no one was harmed is just ridiculous no matter who what when where or why. Buuuut that's just me I suppose.

So you have evidence to back up your emotional response that a girl would only get 5-15 years whereas this guy gets 162 years?

 

[DCal430]

I never claimed racism on the part of the prosecutors, but rather on the part of some of our ravers, based on comments in this thread & on past performance.

For some reason, Davis was apparently tried in federal rather than state court, making your link a non sequiter. It's called venue shopping, where authorities want to give the defendant the steepest possible sentence.

If the rest of the crew received sentences in the 9-22 year range, then Davis should have received similar or slightly more, depending.

No the rest should have gotten life.These are not victimless, the emotional damage done to the victims was significant. Let us also not forget he shot at atleast one of his victims, for that he deserves what he got.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Its so sad people just say, lock this guy up for life, without even understanding the root cause of why this guy was in this situation in the first place.

If we fix the cause of these issues, we can fix the issue before it gets to this point because there are 100 more of these people being born every minute that's going to take his place and be 100 times worse.

It would be great to fix these issues in the first place. Problem is - politicians will never do that. Part of the fix will be to take away some of the welfare money to make people want to get educated and want to earn a living instead of just sitting on welfare and voting in people who will keep giving them welfare.

 

[bfdd]

Retarded sentence. Why put someone away for so long? Why not just kill them and save the populace money and the prisoner torment? Retarded, I agree he should be locked up, that's just seems excessive seeing as he hurt no one.

 

[DCal430]

No one's arguing that the guy shouldn't go to jail for a long time. Just perhaps not 162 years. And what the hell do you mean he's lucky he isn't getting the death penalty...why the hell would he? Though he might prefer the death penalty to life in prison.



I'm not saying he's going to jail because he's black, saying he's getting 162 years because he's black. Imagine if it was a white girl that did these crimes...she would have got 5-15 years and we would have never had heard about her.

Don't even need to bring race into it though, 162 years for armed robbery where no one was harmed is just ridiculous no matter who what when where or why. Buuuut that's just me I suppose.

Someone was harmed idiot. Their is profound emmotional damage from having someone threaten you with a gun to your head.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Other countries often try to rebuild the person and make them useful. Teach them how to fix cars, how to weld, how to do carpentry. They can actually get a job and pay taxes when they are released. USA and Canada seem to have this weird idea that training people to be good citizens is bad.
-welding is bad
-having skills is bad
-understanding math is bad
-criminals should only learn how to commit more crime while in prison
-criminals should create life long gang affiliations along racial lines while in prison

I had a friend who went to prison for participating in an accidental murder. It was a big fight and someone got killed. He didn't necessarily need reforming - he knew he was stupid and deserved the jail time. He did, however, take advantage of what they offered him. He picked up a trade skill. He went to work as a carpenter, joined a carpenter's union and did pretty well for himself--after doing his time, of course.

He could have chosen to be a piece of shit and do nothing in jail and just wait until he served his time. He would have then come out with no value to society because he was young when this occurred. No college/trade school as this incident occurred after high school.

 

[DCal430]

IDIOTS who say their was no harm deserve to have armed robbers bust into their homes and put guns to their heads and threaten to blow their brains out as the steal every thing from them.