162 year Jail sentence for Armed Robbery - First time offender!

fustercluck

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Remind me never to hire Michael Zelman as my attorney

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Quartavious Davis is still shocked by what happened to him in federal court two months ago.

"My first offense, and they gave me all this time," said Davis, a pudgy African American with dreadlocks who spoke with Reuters at the Federal Detention Center in Miami. "Might just as well say I'm dead."

Davis was convicted of participating in a string of armed robberies in the Miami area in 2010. His accomplices testified against him, saying he carried a gun during their crimes and discharged it at a dog that chased them after one of their burglaries. But Davis was not convicted of hurting anyone physically, including the dog.

Davis would occupy no place at all in the annals of crime if not for his sentence. Now 20 years old, he was sentenced to 1,941 months - almost 162 years - in prison without the possibility of parole.

On the day of Davis's interview with Reuters, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that life sentences without parole for defendants under the age of 18 constituted "cruel and unusual punishment" even in cases of murder. Unfortunately for Davis, he was 18 at the time of his crimes.

[Related: High Court ruling gives hope of freedom for some]

Nonetheless, Davis's attorney will argue that Davis's sentence to die in prison also constitutes "cruel and unusual punishment" on the grounds that Davis is a "first offender," having never before been charged with a crime.

"Just as the Supreme Court recently held that the Constitution bars taking away all discretion from judges in sentencing juveniles to life imprisonment for committing murder," said the attorney, Jacqueline Shapiro, "so also is it cruel and extreme to allow unfettered prosecutorial discretion to force a sentencing judge to impose a life sentence on a teenage first offender convicted of lesser charges."

Davis's unusually long sentence results from a controversial practice known as "stacking," in which each count of an indictment is counted as a separate crime, thus transforming a first-time defendant into a "habitual criminal" subject to multiple sentences and mandatory sentencing guidelines.

"Any law that provides for a mandatory term of imprisonment for a 19-year-old first offender that exceeds a century has got to be unconstitutional," said Michael Zelman, the court-appointed attorney who represented Davis at his trial.

Zelman resigned from Davis's case after filing a notice of appeal. If Davis's new lawyer, Shapiro, has her way, the Supreme Court may ultimately decide the issue. The case will be appealed first to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta.

Until then, Davis's story will be a prominent case in point for both sides in an increasingly heated debate, pitting those who would protect society from the prospective dangers posed by serial criminals against those who see the United States - whose overcrowded prisons house fully one-quarter of all the prisoners in the world, most of them black - as a bastion of injustice.

ODD MAN OUT

When he was arrested on December 23, 2010, Davis was an unemployed high school dropout living with an aunt in Goulds, Florida, a poor, predominantly black neighborhood south of Miami.

According to expert testimony at his trial, Davis suffers from a learning disability and bipolar disorder.

At the time of his arrest, he told Reuters, he was living on $674 a month in Social Security disability payments and hoping to get back into school to learn a trade.

On February 9 of this year he was convicted of committing seven armed robberies at fast-food restaurants, a Walgreens pharmacy and other commercial establishments in the Miami area from August to October of 2010.

Davis, who still maintains his innocence, was the only one of the six men charged who went to trial. The others cut plea deals that left them with sentences of nine to 22 years in prison.

As the odd man out, Davis was convicted largely on the basis of his accomplices' testimony, court documents show.

Davis, who was not identified as the group's ringleader, claims he was never offered a plea bargain.

Davis's ex-attorney, Zelman, declined to comment on this point, citing attorney-client privilege.

Prosecutors declined to comment on any aspect of this story.

During the prison interview, Davis was advised by Shapiro not to discuss many specifics about his case.

According to the trial transcript, one of Davis's accomplices testified that he fired his weapon on two occasions - at the dog who chased him and 11 days later outside a Wendy's restaurant they had just robbed. He said Davis traded gunshots with a customer at the restaurant as he and three others sped away in their getaway car.

The accounts of Davis's firing his gun were otherwise uncorroborated.

The armed customer outside Wendy's, Dade County Public Schools maintenance worker Antonio Lamont Brooks, was unable to offer positive identification of the man with whom he exchanged gunfire. But he was uninjured and managed to squeeze off enough rounds from his 9mm handgun to leave one of Davis's accomplices with a bullet wound in his left buttock.

TOUGH PROSECUTORS

It is not clear why prosecutors decided to throw the full weight of the law at Davis.

Florida, though, has a history of "very zealous" prosecutions, according to Marc Mauer, executive director of the Washington-based Sentencing Project, which advocates for reform in the criminal-justice system.

For example, Florida leads in the number of juveniles sentenced to life without parole for lesser crimes than murder, sentences the Supreme Court declared to be unconstitutional in 2010. Florida and other states are now trying to determine how to resentence or grant parole to inmates affected by that ruling.

According to a recent study by the Pew Center on the States, Florida was first, among the 35 states reporting, in increases in time served in its prisons from 1990 to 2009.

In one recent, highly controversial Florida sentencing, Marissa Alexander, an African-American woman in Jacksonville with no previous criminal record, was sentenced to 20 years for firing a pistol twice into the air while trying to ward off an attack by her abusive husband. Denied the protection of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law, the 31-year-old mother of three was convicted of aggravated assault, a felony, and given the mandatory sentence for anyone who fires a gun in commission of the felony.

Davis's sentencing has not generated the same degree of public interest.

"THE INSTALLMENT PLAN"

Davis was convicted of seven counts of possessing a firearm in furtherance of a crime of violence, an offense punishable under the so-called mandatory minimum sentences imposed by Congress since the late 1980s.

Mauer said such sentences have been associated with an 800 percent increase in the federal prison population since 1980.

Davis received seven years for the first of the firearm counts against him and 25 years apiece for each of the six subsequent counts. The law, as written by Congress, requires the sentences to be served consecutively. In prison slang, such sentences are sometimes referred to as "life on the installment plan" or "running wild."

In a report to Congress last October, the U.S. Sentencing Commission, which sets guidelines for federal courts, noted that many law enforcement officials, including New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, viewed mandatory minimum penalties as an important "investigative tool" because they provide leverage over suspects and help persuade them to cooperate with the authorities in exchange for lesser charges.

"In addition to their deterrent effect, some policymakers assert that mandatory minimum penalties reduce crime by incapacitating criminals and protecting the public from their potential future offenses," the commission said.

At the same time, it criticized certain aspects of the mandatory minimum laws, observing that the practice of stacking, in particular, can result in "excessively severe and unjust sentences."

Since 2003 the Justice Department has had guidelines in place that discourage prosecutors from stacking in cases where it can lead to excessive sentences.

Yet prosecutors have broad discretion within their jurisdictions to follow their own lights, according to criminal-law experts.

In a statement issued the day after the sentencing, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida Wifredo Ferrer hailed Davis's lock-up for life as sending an unmistakable warning to anyone seeking to profit from violent crime.

"We will not allow our community to be overrun by guns and violence," he said.

Although he has no alternative explanation, Davis cannot accept that that is the real reason he will have to die in prison.

"There ain't no justice in the justice system," he said, gazing down at his olive-green prison jumpsuit and beige rubber sandals.

"I ain't going to never accept what happened," he added. "They know what they did isn't right."

(Editing by Lee Aitken, Douglas Royalty, Prudence Crowther and Jim Gaines)

He didn't harm anyone and was 18 at the time. Give the kid 5 years. 162 seems a wee bit excessive :) - Of course most of the internet commentators agree with this ruling:
Kevin P • 1 min 35 secs ago

String of robberies and its his first offense? Um no hence the word string. Regardless he and everyone else involved belong in prison for the rest of their lives.

Yes! Let's just put all criminals in jail for life. Good thinking!

Also the kid is black...hrm I wonder if that had anything to do with the sentence :rolleyes: - Jesus it's tough to be a young black man in Florida. Quartavious is also an...interesting name.
 
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Nintendesert

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Lol, that's what happens when you get convicted of 7 armed robberies. It's disingenuous to call him a first time offender, it's simply his first time getting caught.

It's no different than when any serial criminal gets caught be it a rapist, arsonist, robber or murderer.
 

boomerang

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They should arrest his parents for naming him Quartavious. Maybe he's a twin? His sibling is named Thirdavious?
 

HamburgerBoy

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Fuck him. Armed robbery is worthy of death. He got a perfectly just sentencing. In cases like these I don't even care if racism is involved. It's not like there's some finite amount of various states can sentence people to annually; treat everyone equally with pussy 5 year sentences or lock up a minority of people for life, and the net result is still more worthless human beings away from society.
 
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StinkyPinky

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If he committed one robbery then you may have an argument it was harsh. But the fact he did multiple armed robberies....fuck him. Hope he rots. Funny how he whines about his injustice but clearly he never gave a shit about his victims.
 

her209

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When someone steals money from a company, does it get counted as multiple counts of embezzlement if they took a little at a time to hide the fact that they were stealing?
 

Nintendesert

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When someone steals money from a company, does it get counted as multiple counts of embezzlement if they took a little at a time to hide the fact that they were stealing?



Hmmm not sure. I'm pretty sure if they embezzled from one company then went and embezzled from another company then went and embezzled from another company then went and embezzled from another company then went and embezzled from another company they would get multiple charges.
 

Svnla

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Another case of "keeping it real" goes wrong.

Can't do the time then don't do the crime.

Where is Jhhhnnn? Yup, it is all luck there.

/thread
 

Dari

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Wait, so he went on a crime spree but expects leniency because it's his 1st time getting convicted? Is this a joke?
 

the DRIZZLE

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When someone steals money from a company, does it get counted as multiple counts of embezzlement if they took a little at a time to hide the fact that they were stealing?

There are certain tests for whether something is considered the continuation of one crime or a number of distinct crimes. The only way that seven armed robberies could be one crime is if they robbed seven shops in one strip mall, one right after the other.

The sentence might be a little higher than I would like but I don't think it's unreasonable for seven armed robberies and getting into a gun fight.
 

yllus

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10, maybe 20 years seems more suitable. Though his attitude really annoys the hell out of me. It is tempting to simply declare him dead.
 

waggy

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From the title i had sympathy. then I read the article. he commited multiple robberies..armed!

fuck him i have no sympathy at all. hope he enjoy's his life in prison. only people i have sympathy on are the taxpayers that have to pay to keep his ass in prison and alive.
 

Dari

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If someone is going to be in jail this long then there should be a referendum. During the next election the citizens of that state should decide whether to kill him/her. No use wasting away in prison. Even if he becomes a good man and does everything right, he will be of no use to society and, therefore, should be turned to fertilizer.
 

the DRIZZLE

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From the title i had sympathy. then I read the article. he commited multiple robberies..armed!

fuck him i have no sympathy at all. hope he enjoy's his life in prison. only people i have sympathy on are the taxpayers that have to pay to keep his ass in prison and alive.

Yeah but he was just about to go back to school! He was totally going to stop at 7 robberies.
 

ShawnD1

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Lol, that's what happens when you get convicted of 7 armed robberies. It's disingenuous to call him a first time offender, it's simply his first time getting caught.
Yeah but it's his first time. Everyone gets at least 1 free rape. I extended that over to approximately 23 free rapes without jail time, but that's because I'm a good person and I deserve it.

Quartavious Davis
Parents should be killed for naming him that.
 
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dmcowen674

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1st Offender is not for egregious crimes such as armed robbery, rape etc.

Not eligible for parole is the problem here.

Better to execute than have taxpayers provide lodging and food for life until he dies.

I suspect they modify the sentencing to 7-10 years per offense (in this case armed robbery) with possible parole.

So he could start parole hearings at 49 and paroled at 70 if fails at parole hearings before then.

Just MHO.
 

waggy

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1st Offender is not for egregious crimes such as armed robbery, rape etc.

Not eligible for parole is the problem here.

Better to execute than have taxpayers provide lodging and food for life until he dies.

I suspect they modify the sentencing to 7-10 years per offense (in this case armed robbery) with possible parole.

So he could start parole hearings at 49 and paroled at 70 if fails at parole hearings before then.

Just MHO.


I agree. just shoot the fucker and save the taxpayer a little cash.
 

Jhhnn

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Another case of "keeping it real" goes wrong.

Can't do the time then don't do the crime.

Where is Jhhhnnn? Yup, it is all luck there.

/thread

So, Oh Lucky One, what was it that you did to be granted the privilege of immigrating to this country, anyway? Some great & heroic deed, or were you just standing in the right place at the right time? Is your ego, your sense of self worth, so fragile that you must discount fortune as a factor in everybody's life?

It's obviously election season in Florida, with the concomitant raving & chest thumping coming from the usual fascists in office. Which means that somebody is gonna get fucked, hard. Not because they deserve it more than any other defendant, but because authority figures need to be perceived as "tough on crime!" by "Making an example" of somebody, anybody that they can. Gotta be careful with that, because it's not like the citizenry would be willing to pay for that kind of incarceration for all the others guilty of similar crimes, or that the next dumbass committing armed robbery will even know or care about the guy they sent to rot for life. It just matters that a certain temporary perception be created among the electorate, that power holders remain in office, even if they must appeal to the worst instincts of the most gullible & self righteous voters to do so.

You qualify, because you derive perverse emotional pleasure from witnessing an authoritarian fuckover perpetrated against a member of a group you obviously despise.
 

michal1980

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1st Offender is not for egregious crimes such as armed robbery, rape etc.

Not eligible for parole is the problem here.

Better to execute than have taxpayers provide lodging and food for life until he dies.

I suspect they modify the sentencing to 7-10 years per offense (in this case armed robbery) with possible parole.

So he could start parole hearings at 49 and paroled at 70 if fails at parole hearings before then.

Just MHO.

Even though I support the death pelenty. It doesn't make sense in the US because of the costs & time assoicated with it.
 

Svnla

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So, Oh Lucky One, what was it that you did to be granted the privilege of immigrating to this country, anyway? Some great & heroic deed, or were you just standing in the right place at the right time? Is your ego, your sense of self worth, so fragile that you must discount fortune as a factor in everybody's life?

It's obviously election season in Florida, with the concomitant raving & chest thumping coming from the usual fascists in office. Which means that somebody is gonna get fucked, hard. Not because they deserve it more than any other defendant, but because authority figures need to be perceived as "tough on crime!" by "Making an example" of somebody, anybody that they can. Gotta be careful with that, because it's not like the citizenry would be willing to pay for that kind of incarceration for all the others guilty of similar crimes, or that the next dumbass committing armed robbery will even know or care about the guy they sent to rot for life. It just matters that a certain temporary perception be created among the electorate, that power holders remain in office, even if they must appeal to the worst instincts of the most gullible & self righteous voters to do so.

You qualify, because you derive perverse emotional pleasure from witnessing an authoritarian fuckover perpetrated against a member of a group you obviously despise.

Here you go, this BLACK lady sure is having ALL the luck in the world = http://www.love4utah.com/ (I saw her story on NBC News Today, a liberal outlet, this morning). I wonder why or how she did it. Let take a look, shall we?

After many years of living in the unstable, regime-torn socialist island country of Haiti, her parents immigrated legally to the United States with $10 in their pockets in hopes of achieving the American Dream.
Mia was born in Brooklyn, New York and eventually moved to Connecticut. Mia recalls both parents working hard to earn a living, her father at times taking on second jobs cleaning toilets to pay for school for their three children. On the day of Mia’s college orientation, her father said something to her that would become the ethos for her life: “Mia, your mother and I never took a handout. You will not be a burden to society. You will give back.”

Geez, I wonder why her parents did not do drugs, her dad did not abandon her mom and the kids to run around knocking up bitches and hoes, why she did not drop out of school and get knock up by guys (plural), have kids out of wedlock, then on welfare/food stamp, then blame everything under the sun on whiteys/Bush/Republicans/The Pope/fill in the blank excuses.

Must be the lucky god smiling on her and million of hard working folks (whites/blacks/browns/yellows/all kind of colors) like her but NOT on Quartavious.

When he was arrested on December 23, 2010, Davis was an unemployed high school dropout living with an aunt

Where is Q. Davis parents? I wonder if they ever took extra jobs such as cleaning toilets or did whatever it takes to taken care their own family as Ms. Love parents did? Or that was not how they roll and they were too cool to do such lowly things? What do you think?

The lucky god must be white and soooooo raaaaaaaccccciiiiissssst, yo. LOL.
 
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Baked

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Just take him out to the back of the courthouse and shoot him in the head. Makes it way easier on everybody.
 

her209

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Hmmm not sure. I'm pretty sure if they embezzled from one company then went and embezzled from another company then went and embezzled from another company then went and embezzled from another company then went and embezzled from another company they would get multiple charges.

And if you committed armed robbery on the same store on multiple days? Its still multiple counts.