162 year Jail sentence for Armed Robbery - First time offender!

[DCal430]

Firstly, go get a life before calling someone cowards just because they can tell the difference between what happens in a GTA game and the real world, and that risking yours and bystanders lives to play crimestopper is A STUPID THING TO DO.

Now, let's see who is lying here:
1. Davis being the shooter in that incident was NOT ESTABLISHED AT THE COURTS. Nowhere did I say that the incident at the Wendy's never occured, SO LEARN TO GODDAMN READ!
2. Reese's account is dubious, you and I know "reaching for a pen" is a cover story to avoid being prosecuted for starting it. POV really, but then again hardly a reason to call someone a liar.

BTW, being unaware of a specific detail about a case does not make one a liar. My only source of information was the OP piece which omits the stuff you posted. Learn to present your facts in a civilized manner and without malice that urges you to misuse the word "liar", or at least grow the spine to tell this guy he was lying too:



...which reminds me to tell corwin:
Self defence is one thing, playing hero at the expense of getting people hurt just to save a few dollars, is irresponsible. In any case, your vigilante approach in the US has been tested and it has done little to prevent crime. Other societies haveachieved to live with little crime and without a gun culture or a lynch-mob mindset, so take an example of their success story instead of labelling it "retarded assed...blah...blah...".

You don't know shit. Disgusting that you would turn a attempted murder victim into some vigilante thug and the criminal into some victim. Fyi the reason he wasn't prosecuted for for the shootings is because it was a state crime and he was in federal court. The state could still prosecute him if they wish, but their is no real point.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

Don't do the crime won't do the time. Stacking is an ill conceived ideal but it is almost a necessary evil given the violent nature of many offenders in this day and age. While 162 years seems ridiculous keep in mind this guy was charged with 7 counts of armed robbery and not even charged with the attempted murder he committed nor the animal cruelty charges for shooting at the dog.

He may not have deserved 162 years but he didn't deserve to get out of prison until he was old anyways.

 

[Iron Woode]

No, I say: What the F is wrong with YOU, trying to paint someone who is ONLY TRYING TO BE ACCURATE in attributing guilt for ACTUALLY COMMITED CRIMES to an individual, and not what some F'ed up, tough-on-crime, presumptiuous malarky bias is telling him to? The issue at hand is whether Davis attempted murder, or not, but you are attempting to twist it into a "whose side are you on" thing. You wanna crush a living soul with trumped-up charges in order to satisfy some twisted, feel "safe" notion in your mind, go right ahead. Just have the nerve to admit it's so, don't feign logical thought is being involved in the process because it's not. Go ahead and insist that being factually correct is an endorsement of criminal behaviour, it only shows the weakness of the line of thought that formulates your arguments.

is this for real? seriously?

carrying a gun while with others and all of you are committing armed robbery and you actually think it matters whether or not you intended to murder someone? with this kind of thinking you will soon be able to count to potato.

 

[DCal430]

Don't do the crime won't do the time. Stacking is an ill conceived ideal but it is almost a necessary evil given the violent nature of many offenders in this day and age. While 162 years seems ridiculous keep in mind this guy was charged with 7 counts of armed robbery and not even charged with the attempted murder he committed nor the animal cruelty charges for shooting at the dog.

He may not have deserved 162 years but he didn't deserve to get out of prison until he was old anyways.

He could still be charged with those, but their probably is no point, since he already has life in prison.

 

[irishScott]

Wait, so I can shoplift 100 stores and only be charged with my "first offense?"

Hooray! 🙄

7 armed robberies = life in jail. I have no issue with that ruling.

 

[DCal430]

I am a strong advocate for more gun regulations and even a gun ban, and when it comes to crimes committed with a gun I believe in heavy punishment.

 

[KAZANI]

You don't know shit. Disgusting that you would turn a attempted murder victim into some vigilante thug and the criminal into some victim.

No, it's you who doesn't have the guts to stand up for the right he believes people should have to be vigilantes. "run out to get a pen" my arse! Go sell your disingenuous rhetoric in some LAN party among your trigger-happy peers and spare me your straw men about me portraying thugs as victims, just because I'm trying to be impartial.

Fyi the reason he wasn't prosecuted for for the shootings is because it was a state crime and he was in federal court. The state could still prosecute him if they wish, but their is no real point.

I just noticed the name of the armed customer in the OP is different than that in the link you gave. LOL, I'll add this to the list of reasons I'm sticking with my insistence on accuracy when dealing with such issues of life/death. Anyway, here's what the OP said on the identity of the shooter:

The armed customer outside Wendy's, Dade County Public Schools maintenance worker Antonio Lamont Brooks, was unable to offer positive identification of the man with whom he exchanged gunfire.

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ok bro, you obviously are trolling or simply don't get it.

Obviously I have a hard time "getting" what your lack of reasoning has misled you into thinking I ought to "get".

 

[KAZANI]

carrying a gun while with others and all of you are committing armed robbery and you actually think it matters whether or not you intended to murder someone?

Right, let's allow judges to convict anyone based on whim rather than facts, see how long it takes to totalitarianism.

 

[Nintendesert]

Right, let's allow judges to convict anyone based on whim rather than facts, see how long it takes to totalitarianism.

Judges don't convict anyone here. 🙄

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

He deserves a life sentence with the possibility of parole after half the sentence is complete. I believe a life sentence is 30 years. So possibility of parole after 15 sounds fair. He'd be 35 and could make a life for himself after prison. If you give him 25 flat he'd come out 45 & at that point probably too old to start over.

 

[KAZANI]

Judges don't convict anyone here. 🙄

Non-jury trials do not exist?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_23

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/...to-make-decision-in-neighborhood-watch-trial/

http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2012/06/bay_county_judge_convicts_jeff.html

 

[cybrsage]

When someone steals money from a company, does it get counted as multiple counts of embezzlement if they took a little at a time to hide the fact that they were stealing?

It is treated the same as with a store robbery. If you steal two CDs from the store the same time you are there, you get hit for one count of theft. If you steal from two different stores, it is two thefts. Hit one store on two different visits, two counts.

If you embezzle twice from the same company during one employment stint, it is one count - two different companies are two counts. Embezzle once, quit (or contract ends), new employment and do it again, you can be hit with two counts.

 

[Nintendesert]

Non-jury trials do not exist?
http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_23

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/...to-make-decision-in-neighborhood-watch-trial/

http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2012/06/bay_county_judge_convicts_jeff.html

"(1) the defendant waives a jury trial in writing;"


🙄

 

[Nintendesert]

It is treated the same as with a store robbery. If you steal two CDs from the store the same time you are there, you get hit for one count of theft. If you steal from two different stores, it is two thefts. Hit one store on two different visits, two counts.

If you embezzle twice from the same company during one employment stint, it is one count - two different companies are two counts. Embezzle once, quit (or contract ends), new employment and do it again, you can be hit with two counts.

There's more to the embezzlement and multiple counts than that. I posted a link if you want to wade through it, but even if you stay at the same company and embezzle over 20 years it will be more than just 1 count.

 

[cybrsage]

I am a strong advocate for more gun regulations and even a gun ban,

Which other parts of the Bill of Rights do you want to get rid of? The First? How about the Fourth?

and when it comes to crimes committed with a gun I believe in heavy punishment.

On this we agree.

 

[cybrsage]

There's more to the embezzlement and multiple counts than that. I posted a link if you want to wade through it, but even if you stay at the same company and embezzle over 20 years it will be more than just 1 count.

I was going for a very simplified description...but you are correct.

 

[cybrsage]

Judges don't convict anyone here. 🙄

For criminal cases, sure. You can be convicted by a judge in many other cases, though, such as motor vehicle court.

 

[Nintendesert]

For criminal cases, sure. You can be convicted by a judge in many other cases, though, such as motor vehicle court.

Very true, though his implication was erroneous as it pertains to the topic at hand. Which now should change to how crappy Greece is. 😛

 

[KAZANI]

Very true, though his implication was erroneous as it pertains to the topic at hand. Which now should change to how crappy Greece is. 😛

What's crappy is your reading comprehension and the persistent, troll-like way you ignore being refuted again and again in this thread.

From my previous post:

(c) Nonjury Trial.

A judge rules in the trial of two brothers accused of beating a teenager during a neighborhood watch patrol.

Bay County judge convicts Jeff Julian of murdering Lynn Spicer

 

[cybrsage]

What's crappy is your reading comprehension and the persistent, troll-like way you ignore being refuted again and again in this thread.

From my previous post:

From your previous post:

The brothers opted for a bench trial after withdrawing a motion to move their trial...

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/...to-make-decision-in-neighborhood-watch-trial/

This info is missing from one of your links, but here it is for everyone to see anyway:

BAY CITY, MI — The trial of Jeffrey A. Julian II is starting today, charged with killing his live-in girlfriend nearly two years ago.


Julian has foregone a jury trial in favor of a bench trial...

http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2012/06/live_tweets_jeff_julian_trial.html

2. The provision for a waiver of jury trial by the defendant...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_23

How do you like being shown wrong using your own links? I judge cannot simply rule your guilt or innocense. You must tell him he is allowed to do it first.

 

[cybrsage]

Very true, though his implication was erroneous as it pertains to the topic at hand. Which now should change to how crappy Greece is. 😛

Very true. And yes, Greece is still crappy. They never recovered from the beating the Romans gave them.

 

[KAZANI]

I judge cannot simply rule your guilt or innocense. You must tell him he is allowed to do it first.

The contentious point here is whether or not judges can convict. You haven't refuted that, only attempted to distract with technicalities.

And yes, Greece is still crappy. They never recovered from the beating the Romans gave them.

It's almost cringe-worthy how you guys seek solace for the failings of your weak arguments in drowning the debate here with irrelevant mentioning of Greece. How does Greece come into play in this? Answer this before you two start patting yourselves in the back.

 

[cybrsage]

The contentious point here is whether or not judges can convict. You haven't refuted that, only attempted to distract with technicalities.

They cannot do such on their own - they have absolutely no power to convict on their own. They require you to give them that power.

It's almost cringe-worthy how you guys seek solace for the failings of your weak arguments in drowning the debate here with irrelevant mentioning of Greece. How does Greece come into play in this? Answer this before you two start patting yourselves in the back.

It is always relevant to mention how bad Greece sucks. It is akin to the relevance of how the French have been considered cowards since way back in Roman days.

 

[corwin]

...which reminds me to tell corwin:
Self defence is one thing, playing hero at the expense of getting people hurt just to save a few dollars, is irresponsible. In any case, your vigilante approach in the US has been tested and it has done little to prevent crime. Other societies have achieved to live with little crime and without a gun culture or a lynch-mob mindset, so take an example of their success story instead of labelling it "retarded assed...blah...blah...".

Really? Have you seen crime stats as concealed carry has been greatly expanded all over our country? You're an apologist and frankly it's sickening to think people like you exist anywhere in the world, to make excuses why a criminal who fired a gun at innocent people is a "victim" is bewildering...then I see where you're from and I know there are no "success stories" to be learned😀

 

[KAZANI]

They cannot do such on their own - they have absolutely no power to convict on their own. They require you to give them that power.

Focus on the irrelevant, it's your last refuge from reality.

It is always relevant to mention how bad Greece sucks. It is akin to the relevance of how the French have been considered cowards since way back in Roman days.

Oh, now it's the French too that are to blame for your mental deficiency! Tell you what, why don't you just go ahead and let all the grudges and misanthropic bile that's poisoning your thoughts spill out!


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Really? Have you seen crime stats as concealed carry has been greatly expanded all over our country? You're an apologist and frankly it's sickening to think people like you exist anywhere in the world, to make excuses why a criminal who fired a gun at innocent people is a "victim" is bewildering...then I see where you're from and I know there are no "success stories" to be learned😀

Show me those statistics that compare it to European (heck even Greek!) and then we'll see.

"apologist": pffft...I just follow a different line of thought than you do, one that takes FACTS into consideration before reaching conclusions.

"victim" : where the hell did I say or even imply such a thing, YOU TROLL!