wow, thats two posts now mentioning their incomes online to illustrate a point. how pathetic. 100K in portland. *yawn*
how well these cpu's will sell have very little to do with what YOU would do with YOUR level of income.
how well these cpu's will sell have very little to do with what YOU would do with YOUR level of income.
You're off topic. The concern here is not volume shipped or who sells how many - we're talking simply about AMD's X2 performance vs. Intel's X2 performance, and the cost of a total package of each, and which one gives better bang for the buck.
As far as I'm concerned, the numbers have already settled this issue. Bringing in off topic stuff like volume shipped or what the average consumer wants is irrelevant in this thread.
Markfw
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Jeesh, you Invidiots, who cares what I make, the X2 blows the sh!it out of the D2 in P/P, and most people that KNOW which is better will buy it. The morons will buy the D2. If I was cheap and know what was was, I would get the 3200 or 3500 A64... So what is your point ????
im off topic? we've been talking about the selling potential of X2 and P4D for the last page. mentioning personal income in a thread like this defines off-topic and deserves mockery.
btw, there is no debate on the performance of X2 vs P4D, any dumbass figure that out. which solution will sell more is a more interesting question that this thread has been about for a while now.
btw, there is no debate on the performance of X2 vs P4D, any dumbass figure that out. which solution will sell more is a more interesting question that this thread has been about for a while now.
"the whole point of P4D pricing is to introduce dual core as a mainstream solution."
Oh I definitely agree with this....It is like product dumping. In this case though INtel has no choice cause they know the single core line has stalled and know they have to do anything to try to convince the masses to go dual core even though for most users the apps dont justify it....They figure get it low enough and ppl will just buy it cause it is not that much of a premium over the same priced single core chip. However what I am sure they wont be told is that in most common apps they will be no better then a 140-180 dollar chip. Now think of who is most likely to upgrade to this...Dont think of the ppl already running prescotts of 3ghz plus....These ppl already are considered more power users and thus many of them would see a hit or lateral move upgrading to an 820....This needs to be northwood users of 2.66ghz or less range to celeron users and frankly I dont see them necessarily being the type of user to benefit from the technology or necessarily use the apps that will...
Now I am sure Intel will launch a spirited marketing blitz using carefully chosen words to not "LIE" but they will spin this technology to try to confuse the masses to buy it. The fact is the software support is not there for most users, and they just wont know that Intel is forcing this move cause they hit the wall and have no other choices currently.....
I think the X2 is the better upgrade path for:
1) current AMD64 and/or sckt 939 users
2) P4 users not already using a 6xx series cpu with DDR2 chipset
3) DIY builders
I also agree the chipset will come down in price, but when that happens nobody quite knows for sure...Sometimes that takes several months and much more competition from differing manufacturers to help do that.....In that same time frame of waiting for mobo price premiums to drop and DDR2 price premiums to shrink we may see X2 prices drop or perhaps 2 more low cost options introduced....Who knows but if you want to play the assumption game we can do that...Just dont always look at the Intel side to be Rosey and nothing to change for the better on the AMD front....
Oh I definitely agree with this....It is like product dumping. In this case though INtel has no choice cause they know the single core line has stalled and know they have to do anything to try to convince the masses to go dual core even though for most users the apps dont justify it....They figure get it low enough and ppl will just buy it cause it is not that much of a premium over the same priced single core chip. However what I am sure they wont be told is that in most common apps they will be no better then a 140-180 dollar chip. Now think of who is most likely to upgrade to this...Dont think of the ppl already running prescotts of 3ghz plus....These ppl already are considered more power users and thus many of them would see a hit or lateral move upgrading to an 820....This needs to be northwood users of 2.66ghz or less range to celeron users and frankly I dont see them necessarily being the type of user to benefit from the technology or necessarily use the apps that will...
Now I am sure Intel will launch a spirited marketing blitz using carefully chosen words to not "LIE" but they will spin this technology to try to confuse the masses to buy it. The fact is the software support is not there for most users, and they just wont know that Intel is forcing this move cause they hit the wall and have no other choices currently.....
I think the X2 is the better upgrade path for:
1) current AMD64 and/or sckt 939 users
2) P4 users not already using a 6xx series cpu with DDR2 chipset
3) DIY builders
I also agree the chipset will come down in price, but when that happens nobody quite knows for sure...Sometimes that takes several months and much more competition from differing manufacturers to help do that.....In that same time frame of waiting for mobo price premiums to drop and DDR2 price premiums to shrink we may see X2 prices drop or perhaps 2 more low cost options introduced....Who knows but if you want to play the assumption game we can do that...Just dont always look at the Intel side to be Rosey and nothing to change for the better on the AMD front....
right, just like the massive AMD 64-bit marketing spree, when there is less support for 64-bit software now than threaded apps. just about every AMD banner i see only trumpets "64-bit power". LOLZ!
rosey? HAHAHA. intel just came out of one of its biggest disasters ever with the prescott project. if AMD doesn't try to explot it, they're finished, because this is probably the only window they'll get.
in any case, P4D wont last long on the market... everyone knows what it is, i know intimately cuz i worked on its design. people will still buy it tho. :laugh:
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Why the F should they price them "in line" the processor is almost twice as fast in some task, OC and it will be. OC that P4D you better have a $300 Zippy 700W PSU. Should they price the 820D "in line" with a $40 Duron??? That's about the speed differential you're talking about. So why not price them "in line" with durons?
remeber those IQ tests
X2 is to Pentium D as; Pentium D is to Duron
Prolly don't remeber them do you, you just drew Surf Boards on those scantrons like Jeff Spicoli in your annebriated state. Got more? charge more, simple as that.
Respect? Intel has your respect for tying two of those breader reactors called prescott together on the same die? Two that use twice the power and run much much slower than competition? Repect for having 1000X the money to work with and releasing a JOKE. Well I hope I never "earn" your respect.
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I'm staying away from salary discussions..lets just say anyone with a J.O.B. can afford an X2, hell a welfare mother prolly could, that's not the point. Point for me, and all prudent users should be A) find the level of performance that will satisfy your requirements, then, B) compare all competing products in that performance range C) buy the one with the best price.
For lots of users here "A" starts and ends with the X2 since it has no competition, so your only question is which X2 to buy
For lots of users here "A" starts and ends with the X2 since it has no competition, so your only question is which X2 to buy
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks his posts read like a teenagers.
Some people just like to smash on keyboards, I guess.
Bottom line is that an incredibly miniscule percentage of worldwide computer users buy $500+ CPUs, or computers with those CPUs in them.
Athlon 64 X2 will be a technical success, but the Pentium D will be a commercial success. If I ran a business, I'd much rather have the latter over pleasing a few performance zealots on a computer forum.
Originally posted by: Zebo
We don't need no water let the MF burn!!
Pabster lay off the blue ribbon, that cheap junk is rotting your brain... I like power and performance and price call it as I see it. AMD AMD AMD.
Besides AMD X2 will be out first. 4/0
LOL. That's funny, I have a shiny new Dimension 9100 arriving shortly with a P4 EE 840. I don't see an X2 rig available for purchase nor the CPUs ...
edit: listening to Coal Chamber - Sway as I write this
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I've been to dell pasbter, said 5-6 weeks for delivery. MonarchJoe said he should have his 4400 shipment in "soon" they are already in pipeline on order. Saw a thread with an article X2's will be out this week too.. We shall see who get thiers first.
Certainly not the Q4 Q3 anand said in his review which you may still be thinking.
Certainly not the Q4 Q3 anand said in his review which you may still be thinking.
Originally posted by: Zebo
I've been to dell pasbter, said 5-6 weeks for delivery. MonarchJoe said he should have his 4400 shipment in "soon" they are already in pipeline on order. Saw a thread with an article X2's will be out this week too.. We shall see who get thiers first.
Certainly not the Q4 Q3 anand said in his review which you may still be thinking.
That's funny. Must have been a rush of orders, seeing as how my shipping date is (still) June 6. (Only a week to go!)
FWIW XPS Gen 5 systems are shipping in the 7-14 day timeframe right now as well.
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Originally posted by: Zebo
You know what maybe we should'nt talk about processor performance anymore. Lets move beyond that, into the enlightend realm of macdom and cite "uniqueness" "experiances" "elegance" and other qualitative measurments. Everyone feels better that way. You bring the marshmellows and I'll bring the kool-aid. OK. Dont forget your sandels and bob marley tapes.. I got something special in a baggie.
Dude.... I am SO there.... Let's spark a fattie....
Hey, then again, I DO live in NoCal, land of the enlightened hot tubs....
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Well freakin' said!!!! :laugh:
Back SLOWLY away from the table, son. Don't make any sudden moves. Listen to what the man is telling you.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Zebo
We don't need no water let the MF burn!!
Pabster lay off the blue ribbon, that cheap junk is rotting your brain... I like power and performance and price call it as I see it. AMD AMD AMD.
Besides AMD X2 will be out first. 4/0
LOL. That's funny, I have a shiny new Dimension 9100 arriving shortly with a P4 EE 840. I don't see an X2 rig available for purchase nor the CPUs ...
edit: listening to Coal Chamber - Sway as I write this
Do they built a special Dimension 9100 for you?
I can't see P4 EE 840 as option to choose in the configuration page...
http://catalog.us.dell.com/CS1/cs1page2...=us&cs=19&fm=11216&kc=6V659&l=en&s=dhs
And of course, the NEW model 9100 isn't available at all right now. With any CPU you choose (630 included) this NEW Dell system is only available for the end of june...
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I don't know how signifigant this is for y'all but "Intel quietly ADDS DRM to new chips"
http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915
Guys at xtreme seems to think it's a big negatory.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64217
http://www.digitmag.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=4915
Guys at xtreme seems to think it's a big negatory.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64217
Looks like the EE 840 isn't an option right now. Perhaps they sold out already? Only the D 840 is showing as available right now. Good thing I got in early, eh?
And yes, if you configure a system right now the 9100 is showing several weeks delay. Of course Dell routinely does that. I've had things show up that had estimated shipping dates several days or better from when I received it.
If you really want the EE 840 you can get a Dimension XPS Gen 5 ... shipping dates are a couple weeks sooner than the 9100s right now.
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You don't see a dual core AMD because you are too ignorant to search in the right place. May I remind you Dual Core Opterons have been ON THE PUBLIC MARKET for almost two or three weeks?
No fancy occult pre-orders here. Plain availability of Dual Core Opterons. That was AMD's move from the start: Server/Workstation first, THEN, AFTER, EVENTUALLY, the desktop market.
No fancy occult pre-orders here. Plain availability of Dual Core Opterons. That was AMD's move from the start: Server/Workstation first, THEN, AFTER, EVENTUALLY, the desktop market.
Nor right now nor never. Pentium EE 840 never has been an option to configure Dimension 9100 with it...
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Wow! Look what I found!
http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24322
I haven't seen or heard any rumors that AMD might be giving the same forecast. Gosh...
http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24322
I haven't seen or heard any rumors that AMD might be giving the same forecast. Gosh...
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