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anandtechrocks

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Originally posted by: Zebo
WTF was intel thinking putting that failure presshot x 2 on the same package?

Well that's obvious, they don't have anything else ready to sell, so instead of staying completely out of the loop they release the only thing they have.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
Originally posted by: Zebo
WTF was intel thinking putting that failure presshot x 2 on the same package?

Well that's obvious, they don't have anything else ready to sell, so instead of staying completely out of the loop they release the only thing they have.

Dothans been out over a year.. dems could speculate better than me, but they should have gone there, xfered production there. I was reading an article over at Ars a few months back where hannibal was incensed and shocked they did'nt go that route but netburst instead.
 

richardrds

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Originally posted by: anandtechrocks
Originally posted by: Zebo
WTF was intel thinking putting that failure presshot x 2 on the same package?

Well that's obvious, they don't have anything else ready to sell, so instead of staying completely out of the loop they release the only thing they have.


LOL, I know what market Intel is counting on, They are going after the Terrorists!!!!! When people start to try to overclock the 8xx's to get near the stock performance of the X2's the heat they generate might be hot enough to cause Nuclear Fusion!!!! It is clear Intels secret marketing campain will be in the Middle East, Come and buy our Dual Core 8xx's Arabs, they make great Nuclear Bombs!!!!! :) :p :;
 

Aenslead

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A quote from the above link:

Firstly, there is no AMD High End Prices, the reason, the Low End is as powerful as the Intel High End. The reason AMD have no slower Dual Cores is they know that for gaming, anything less is not good enough for a premium product.
 

Zebo

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OC workbench does'nt get the praise it deserves cuz they use 1986 HTML at thier site:( Thanks for the link Luis.:)
 

Aenslead

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Yeah... their site is not pretty at all, but its quite unbiased and very straight-forward. Those asian dudes know their things. :D
 

Zebo

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Brits not asians

Oh and TUXDAVE, that OCworkbench article also talks about the slapping together with bailing wire approach P4D uses you were questioning in another thread.
 

dmens

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Show me the PM thermals at 3.0? Besides future smooture. You think AMD fired all thier engineers after A64 was made? I know Intel hired a couple to help them out. but AMD has stuff in the oven too. What counts is now. X2 and A64 clearly owns everything respectivly in the benchs and tops to bottom on particulars like power and heat and maybe even price. WTF was intel thinking putting that failure presshot x 2 on the same package?

jesus f***ing christ, will you stop talking about prescott and K8? im talking about merom/future vs K10. quit changing the subject.

p-m draw at 3ghz is till quite low, thank you very much. k8 at 3ghz, even with nextgen process, will still be a little too high for quad core (IMHO), and that is why im interested in their next move. i want cheap quadcores on market as much as anyone else dammit.
 

clarkey01

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Originally posted by: dmens
Originally posted by: Zebo
Show me the PM thermals at 3.0? Besides future smooture. You think AMD fired all thier engineers after A64 was made? I know Intel hired a couple to help them out. but AMD has stuff in the oven too. What counts is now. X2 and A64 clearly owns everything respectivly in the benchs and tops to bottom on particulars like power and heat and maybe even price. WTF was intel thinking putting that failure presshot x 2 on the same package?

jesus f***ing christ, will you stop talking about prescott and K8? im talking about merom/future vs K10. quit changing the subject.

p-m draw at 3ghz is till quite low, thank you very much. k8 at 3ghz, even with nextgen process, will still be a little too high for quad core (IMHO), and that is why im interested in their next move. i want cheap quadcores on market as much as anyone else dammit.


From what I read it's quad core (k10) will use hypertransport II (this was from an inquirer article saying it was 75% better I'll try and link you). I cant think of anything that has been mentioned, its pretty quiet.

This is the orginal K9...The dual core K8 was called the the K9 and the orginal K9 was pushed back and called the K10. I think development is going on in Boston as well speak. I do believe more pipelines will be added, Webber said this in a interview,

So from 12 to 15 would be about right, thats preyy much the same as the the current pentium M, but dbems can always put me in my place;)
 

dmens

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pipe numbers is unimportant. power conscious design must be grounds up, not an afterthought. it is very difficult to cull power with an existing design that paid little attention to that metric.

that is why im so very interested in what K10 cores will be... must have information dammit.
 

Lithan

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We all get it, P4 Dual cores are absolute *&^%. They have no redeeming qualities except being cheap *&^%. Pinto's were pretty cheap too. That doesn't mean anyone should have bought one.
 

Aenslead

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Brits not asians

Are you certain?! I'd swear they are from Taiwan... also, they've got this huge forum on chinese, and love ASRock and ECS like no other site based on Europe or America I've seen.

Fancy that...
 

carlosd

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Pentium D are very harmfull for the enviroment. They definitvely won't have the energy star from EPA.
 

Pabster

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I see the biggest AMD fanboy on the boards (Zebo) is back at it again. LOL :D :)

You go ahead and get your X2 ... let me know when you can actually purchase one :p

I'll be sticking with Intel.

See, we can both be happy!
 

AnandThenMan

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Originally posted by: Pabster
You go ahead and get your X2 ... let me know when you can actually purchase one :p

I'll be sticking with Intel.

See, we can both be happy!

That's fair. Let me know when you have a Pent-hotium D.
 

Zebo

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We don't need no water let the MF burn!!:D

Pabster lay off the blue ribbon, that cheap junk is rotting your brain... I like power and performance and price call it as I see it. AMD AMD AMD.


Besides AMD X2 will be out first. 4/0
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Pabster
I see the biggest AMD fanboy on the boards (Zebo) is back at it again. LOL :D :)

You go ahead and get your X2 ... let me know when you can actually purchase one :p

I'll be sticking with Intel.

See, we can both be happy!

Fanboy huh? I recommend intel all the time at least when it's strong and has merit.

From another thread:
"I would'nt screw around with AMD on mobiles until ANAND does a review of turions... Pentium M's are really hard to beat..fast, low power, quiet laptops.. especially from Dell with thier deals right now..
http://www.gottadeal.com/dell.php "

Are there any compelling reasons to buy this Prescott dual garbage? Thats rhetorical: hell no and you know it. I've looked for any angle where this chip is strong, there is none period.

Why I started this thread? franky I've never seen this kind of performance gap between these companies. I'm more shocked than anything.

The only fanboys are y'all crying about me pointing out facts because they show your beloved intel in such a poor light.

Buy intel I don't care but I know you have a streak of irrational hatred by not buying AMD with it's clear dominance. Or you got it for free just about what it's worth..
 

Capt Caveman

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Only a Fanboy would have started a thread like this. All this thread was going to do is antagonize and start flame wars.

Wish the mods would lock this thread.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Only a Fanboy would have started a thread like this. All this thread was going to do is antagonize and start flame wars.

Wish the mods would lock this thread.

I did'nt hear you cying in the thread titled "dothan pumping others in the behind" when first of all it's leads were infinitesimal compared to this and it was OCed compared to competition. I wonder why?
 

Zebo

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You know what maybe we should'nt talk about processor performance anymore. Lets move beyond that, into the enlightend realm of macdom and cite "uniqueness" "experiances" "elegance" and other qualitative measurments. Everyone feels better that way. You bring the marshmellows and I'll bring the kool-aid. OK. Dont forget your sandels and bob marley tapes.. I got something special in a baggie.:)
 

dug777

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Only a Fanboy would have started a thread like this. All this thread was going to do is antagonize and start flame wars.

Wish the mods would lock this thread.

I did'nt hear you cying in the thread titled "dothan pumping others in the behind" when first of all it's leads were infinitesimal compared to this and it was OCed compared to competition. I wonder why?

lol ;) i'll admit the title was a little provocative :)
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Only a Fanboy would have started a thread like this. All this thread was going to do is antagonize and start flame wars.

Wish the mods would lock this thread.

I did'nt hear you cying in the thread titled "dothan pumping others in the behind" when first of all it's leads were infinitesimal compared to this and it was OCed compared to competition. I wonder why?

lol ;) i'll admit the title was a little provocative :)

Ya but I did'nt mind I thought it was funny.. .:thumbsup: these guys take this stuff waay to personal IMO
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Only a Fanboy would have started a thread like this. All this thread was going to do is antagonize and start flame wars.

Wish the mods would lock this thread.

I did'nt hear you cying in the thread titled "dothan pumping others in the behind" when first of all it's leads were infinitesimal compared to this and it was OCed compared to competition. I wonder why?

Sorry but I didn't read the thread. Based on what I know, it's not competitive for desktop purposes and I don't have the time to read every thread.