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15 year old shot and killed

crt1530

crt1530

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Damon Wells is the man gun supporters were imagining when they fought for the right to carry concealed weapons.

He had a permit to carry his gun, and he had the gun on him when a pair of teenage thieves approached him Saturday night on his front porch in Cleveland.

When one of the youths pulled a gun, Wells drew his and shot one of the boys several times in the chest, police said. Arthur Buford, 15, died after stumbling away and collapsing on a sidewalk near East 134th Street and Kinsman Road.

City prosecutors decided Monday that Wells, 25, was justified and would not be charged for what appears to be the first time a concealed-carry permit holder has shot and killed an attacker.

Nonetheless, the shooting reignited the debate that flared three years ago when Ohio's concealed-carry law took effect.

Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed.

An angry throng of about 30 youths gathered Monday and set up a memorial at the intersection where Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School, died.

His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

Buford's accomplice disappeared after the shooting and had not been caught as of Monday night. Police found a .38-caliber handgun in the mail chute of a nearby house. They believe it belonged to Buford or the other suspect, Lt. Thomas Stacho said.

Police took a .40-caliber Smith and Wesson firearm from Wells as evidence, the police report shows.

Both sides of the gun debate said it was sad that a teenager died.

"It's tragic," said Jim Irvine, chairman of the Buckeye Firearms Association. "Anytime somebody dies, it's tragic, but it's hard to have any sympathy when he chose to have a gun and go threaten somebody's life." Irvine said it was "great that a potential victim is able to continue his life instead of having a criminal take it."

Toby Hoover, of the Ohio Coalition Against Gun Violence, said she had not heard of any other fatal shooting involving a concealed-carry permit holder.

"This is one of the few where they actually used it to stop a crime," Hoover said.

But, she said, "there's still a dead kid here."

A man who answered a phone number for Wells refused to comment and hung up. No one answered the door at Wells' home.

Plain Dealer reporters Jesse Tinsley and Brie Zeltner and researcher Cheryl Diamond contributed to this story.
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I think this is an excellent example of how concealed handgun licenses and legal gun ownership are a benefit to society. Discuss.
 
Good. I don't feel pity for the dead 15 year old. He's old enough to know better, he pulled a gun first and probably would have used it if he felt he had too. Score one for the good guys.
 
you have to love how everyone completely ignores the fact that the kid pulled a gun on the guy in an attempt to rob him...its all about the guy who shot him and how much a an animal and criminal he is.

Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed

and if he didn't have a gun, the guy being robbed might be dead instead.

or the kid could not be a dumbass and try to rob people at gunpoint?

 
His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."
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He's dead because he pulled a gun on the wrong guy. Bet his accomplice thinks twice before trying that again.
 
8, 15, 25, 40 years old.
Those are just numbers. You pull a gun on me, well, I'll probably get shot as I don't carry a gun, but if I did, I would shoot you.
 
Originally posted by: pontifex
you have to love how everyone completely ignores the fact that the kid pulled a gun on the guy in an attempt to rob him...its all about the guy who shot him and how much a an animal and criminal he is.
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Just a guess but I believe there are other issues involved...
 
Originally posted by: pontifex
you have to love how everyone completely ignores the fact that the kid pulled a gun on the guy in an attempt to rob him...its all about the guy who shot him and how much a an animal and criminal he is.
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Not everyone. But yea, there are those people.
 
If you read the articles, you'd know that the legal gun owner has been driven out of his home by people harassing him after the shooting. It seems there are people who think he should have given up any and all of his property to the thugs and possibly taken a bullet himself instead of defending his life and property.
 
let me just make sure i am crystal here. A 15 year old pulls a gun on a person then the other person responds by shooting a weapon (which he had concealed and a permit for) and people are on the side of the 15 year old?

Am i correct in this? who in the world can actually be on the side of the 15 year old with an illegal fire arm who pulled his weapon first?
 
It is amazing how they turned the attacker into the victim.

Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed.

An angry throng of about 30 youths gathered Monday and set up a memorial at the intersection where Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School, died.

His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."
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He would be alive if he wasnt a thug passion trying to rob somebody either. But lets deflect this on the ebil gun.
 
Originally posted by: pontifex
you have to love how everyone completely ignores the fact that the kid pulled a gun on the guy in an attempt to rob him...its all about the guy who shot him and how much a an animal and criminal he is.
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No kidding.

That kid got everything he deserved.
 
Originally posted by: pontifex
you have to love how everyone completely ignores the fact that the kid pulled a gun on the guy in an attempt to rob him...its all about the guy who shot him and how much a an animal and criminal he is.
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Nobody is ignoring that. Why else would it be ruled a justified shooting?
 
Originally posted by: BKLounger
let me just make sure i am crystal here. A 15 year old pulls a gun on a person then the other person responds by shooting a weapon (which he had concealed and a permit for) and people are on the side of the 15 year old?

Am i correct in this? who in the world can actually be on the side of the 15 year old with an illegal fire arm who pulled his weapon first?
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people of similar morals and make up.
 
Good riddance I say. That kid deserved what was coming to him. Think twice next time before... oh wait, there won't be a next time.
 
Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed.
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Yeah, and the 15 year old might be alive if he hadn't tried to rob an honest citizen at gun point. What was your point again? If you're asking me to chose between the law abiding citizen and a thug...well, I choose the law abiding citizen. Boo Hoo, one less gangster in the world. BFD...
 
Originally posted by: BKLounger
let me just make sure i am crystal here. A 15 year old pulls a gun on a person then the other person responds by shooting a weapon (which he had concealed and a permit for) and people are on the side of the 15 year old?

Am i correct in this? who in the world can actually be on the side of the 15 year old with an illegal fire arm who pulled his weapon first?
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Ignorant thug culture douchebags.
 
Originally posted by: crt1530
An angry throng of about 30 youths gathered Monday and set up a memorial at the intersection where Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School, died.

His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."
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Angry that some young douche tried to rob a citizen? Then don't threaten someone with a gun. Stupid kid.
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so he's old enough to pull a gun on someone minding their own business, but not old enough to take the heat when it's thrown back at him?

gimmie a freakin break.

and btw, to the girl that is his cousin ... HE PULLED A GUN ON SOMEONE WHILE TRYING TO ROB THEM!
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: pontifex
you have to love how everyone completely ignores the fact that the kid pulled a gun on the guy in an attempt to rob him...its all about the guy who shot him and how much a an animal and criminal he is.
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Nobody is ignoring that. Why else would it be ruled a justified shooting?
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his family and the opponents of the ruling...
 
Originally posted by: BKLounger
let me just make sure i am crystal here. A 15 year old pulls a gun on a person then the other person responds by shooting a weapon (which he had concealed and a permit for) and people are on the side of the 15 year old?

Am i correct in this? who in the world can actually be on the side of the 15 year old with an illegal fire arm who pulled his weapon first?
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morons
 
Originally posted by: crt1530
His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."
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And black people wonder why they have a bad reputation and are racially profiled? When you have people saying stuff like this and others driving the victim of the crime out of his own house, is there any wonder?
 
i can't believe stupid people put up a memorial at where the kid died. he was a thug, and looked for trouble. he was just asking for it. he deserves no memorial, no balloons, no teddy bears. lame.
 
Originally posted by: BKLounger
let me just make sure i am crystal here. A 15 year old pulls a gun on a person then the other person responds by shooting a weapon (which he had concealed and a permit for) and people are on the side of the 15 year old?

Am i correct in this? who in the world can actually be on the side of the 15 year old with an illegal fire arm who pulled his weapon first?
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Idiots.
 
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