15 year old shot and killed

[Kelemvor]

If the dead kid isn't the one that actually had the gun, then I sort of feel sorry for him but not really. He was still ther eto rob or kill the guy and he most likely knew the other guy had the gun.

If you hang out with people committing a crime, chances are you'll go down with them.

This is the perfect example of why concealed carry would be a good thing. It probably saved his life.

And for those who whine because the other guy died... Good riddance. The more people who rob and steal and kill that get killed themselves, the better off the world will be.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: crt1530
His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

And black people wonder why they have a bad reputation and are racially profiled? When you have spokespeople like this and others driving the victim of the crime out of his own house, is there any wonder?

I haven't seen any pics of the shooter, but I'm assuming he's not white because if he was this would probably have already been labeled racially motivated by the community.

 

[LennyZ]

Buford won't be doing that again
Lol,dumb people in that neighborhood supporting a armed criminal.

This guy was within his rights to protect himself against an armed criminal.
:thumbsup:

 

[S Freud]

:thumbsup: for the guy and taking one more thug off the streets.

 

[crt1530]

The shooter and the two thugs were all black.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: crt1530
His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

And black people wonder why they have a bad reputation and are racially profiled? When you have spokespeople like this and others driving the victim of the crime out of his own house, is there any wonder?

I haven't seen any pics of the shooter, but I'm assuming he's not white because if he was this would probably have already been labeled racially motivated by the community.

All parties involved are black.

 

[mrrman]

the kid was in the wrong....unfortuneately it was justified..what if they shot the man..

 

[Arcex]

The 15 year old attempted armed robbery, he got shot. Entirely justifiable.


Here's a hypothetical, suppose the guy didn't have a gun and was shot and killed by the kid. then suppose the kid was arrested and convicted of murder. Further suppose the DA seeks the death penalty (assuming they have the death penalty in whatever state this is) and the kid is put to death. Is it better to have 2 dead people, one innocent, one guilty, as opposed to one guilty dead person?

 

[KingofCamelot]

Just to reiterate the basic concensus in this thread:

The kid got what was coming, and the folks trying to turn the kid into a victim are idiots.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: crt1530
His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

And black people wonder why they have a bad reputation and are racially profiled? When you have spokespeople like this and others driving the victim of the crime out of his own house, is there any wonder?

I haven't seen any pics of the shooter, but I'm assuming he's not white because if he was this would probably have already been labeled racially motivated by the community.

All parties involved are black.

Where the hell is Al Sharpton and Jesse?

oh..wait....the killer wasn't white...

<Officer Barbrady>Move along nothing to see here</Officer Barbrady>

 

[Kntx]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i can't believe stupid people put up a memorial at where the kid died. he was a thug, and looked for trouble. he was just asking for it. he deserves no memorial, no balloons, no teddy bears. lame.

Just because the kid was a dick doesn't mean his friends and family arn't going to be affected by his death. I agree the fellow was justified in defending himself, but I wish more people could feel compasion for kid and his family. He may have grown out of his troubles and led a good life. It's sad.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Arcex
The 15 year old attempted armed robbery, he got shot. Entirely justifiable.


Here's a hypothetical, suppose the guy didn't have a gun and was shot and killed by the kid. then suppose the kid was arrested and convicted of murder. Further suppose the DA seeks the death penalty (assuming they have the death penalty in whatever state this is) and the kid is put to death. Is it better to have 2 dead people, one innocent, one guilty, as opposed to one guilty dead person?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: crt1530
His cousin, Tameka Foster, 21, questioned why police did not punish Buford's shooter.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

And black people wonder why they have a bad reputation and are racially profiled? When you have spokespeople like this and others driving the victim of the crime out of his own house, is there any wonder?

I haven't seen any pics of the shooter, but I'm assuming he's not white because if he was this would probably have already been labeled racially motivated by the community.

All parties involved are black.

Where the hell is Al Sharpton and Jesse?

oh..wait....the killer wasn't white...

<Officer Barbrady>Move along nothing to see here</Officer Barbrady>

Where the hell is Bill Cosby?

 

[TecHNooB]

Originally posted by: Arcex
The 15 year old attempted armed robbery, he got shot. Entirely justifiable.


Here's a hypothetical, suppose the guy didn't have a gun and was shot and killed by the kid. then suppose the kid was arrested and convicted of murder. Further suppose the DA seeks the death penalty (assuming they have the death penalty in whatever state this is) and the kid is put to death. Is it better to have 2 dead people, one innocent, one guilty, as opposed to one guilty dead person?

I don't think 15 year olds can receive the death penalty? Good point nonetheless.

 

[Connoisseur]

Seems like another case where you take an extreme (or statistically minor) incident and make it the poster child for a cause. As far as gun control is concerned, I'd like to know statistics on the following:
1) How many shootings are committed by criminals with registered guns or registered guns stolen from civilians or guns purchased through gun shows (not sure if these have to be registered)?
2) How many "justifiable" killings are committed by civilians with registered guns?

I suspect 1>>>2 unless someone can prove me wrong. If they can, i'll gladly tuck my tail between my legs and leave. If i'm right, what justification is there for giving civilians the right to carry concealed weapons. It's pure statistics in my opinion. Now i've never had a gun pointed at me or my family and I feel sorry for those who have experienced this; i'm not sure if it would change my opinion emotionally but i'm willing to bet the majority of gun owners haven't had this happen to them either. I'm not going to discuss the right to bear arms simply because it'll just be a flaming argument between both sides.

::EDIT:: Was responding more to the question of whether or not this event should promote the cause of guns, not whether or not the kid was guilty. I think all the people involved are retarded for blaming a man for defending himself from a couple of criminals.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: crt1530
If you read the articles, you'd know that the legal gun owner has been driven out of his home by people harassing him after the shooting. It seems there are people who think he should have given up any and all of his property to the thugs and possibly taken a bullet himself instead of defending his life and property.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: Arcex
The 15 year old attempted armed robbery, he got shot. Entirely justifiable.


Here's a hypothetical, suppose the guy didn't have a gun and was shot and killed by the kid. then suppose the kid was arrested and convicted of murder. Further suppose the DA seeks the death penalty (assuming they have the death penalty in whatever state this is) and the kid is put to death. Is it better to have 2 dead people, one innocent, one guilty, as opposed to one guilty dead person?

I don't think 15 year olds can receive the death penalty? Good point nonetheless.

If there is justifiable reason, he can be tried as an adult.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: KingofCamelot
Just to reiterate the basic concensus in this thread:

The kid got what was coming, and the folks trying to turn the kid into a victim (of which there are none on this forum) are idiots.

fixed

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: TecHNooB

Originally posted by: Arcex
The 15 year old attempted armed robbery, he got shot. Entirely justifiable.


Here's a hypothetical, suppose the guy didn't have a gun and was shot and killed by the kid. then suppose the kid was arrested and convicted of murder. Further suppose the DA seeks the death penalty (assuming they have the death penalty in whatever state this is) and the kid is put to death. Is it better to have 2 dead people, one innocent, one guilty, as opposed to one guilty dead person?

I don't think 15 year olds can receive the death penalty? Good point nonetheless.

If there is justifiable reason, he can be tried as an adult.

agreed. I was just about to post that.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i can't believe stupid people put up a memorial at where the kid died. he was a thug, and looked for trouble. he was just asking for it. he deserves no memorial, no balloons, no teddy bears. lame.

Just because the kid was a dick doesn't mean his friends and family arn't going to be affected by his death. I agree the fellow was justified in defending himself, but I wish more people could feel compasion for kid and his family. He may have grown out of his troubles and led a good life. It's sad.

no it's not. he looked for trouble. his stupid friends didn't help him get out of it, and his parents/family didn't raise him properly to know what is right and wrong. I have no sympathy for these types at all. For me, there is only the bottom line. The bottom line here is that the kid did wrong, and paid for it with his life. No if's, but's.

That's one less thug off the streets.


What makes this even more sickenning is the mention of race in one of the articles. "race isn't an issue since both parties are black." Holy hell. so if it was a white guy, hell would've broken loose. pathetic.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: BKLounger
let me just make sure i am crystal here. A 15 year old pulls a gun on a person then the other person responds by shooting a weapon (which he had concealed and a permit for) and people are on the side of the 15 year old?

Am i correct in this? who in the world can actually be on the side of the 15 year old with an illegal fire arm who pulled his weapon first?

His cousin, Tameka Foster

nuff said.....

 

[mugs]

Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed.

This is where my jaw dropped. If you (or an accomplice) pull a gun on someone, being shot is and should be a potential consequence.

(Unfortunately I live in a "may issue" state, so the potential consequence is I get shot instead of the criminal :| )

 

[wheresmybacon]

There's nothing to debate here. The kid is dead and deserves to be.

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: pontifex
you have to love how everyone completely ignores the fact that the kid pulled a gun on the guy in an attempt to rob him...its all about the guy who shot him and how much a an animal and criminal he is.

Nobody is ignoring that. Why else would it be ruled a justified shooting?

his family and the opponents of the ruling...

Something similar has happened here - a kid (18 at the time, I think) kills a cop and his family and others are outraged that he has to face any consequences. There have been "Free Kevin Johnson" t-shirts and "No Tears for McEntee" graffiti.

It's complete crap. I don't understand why people can't accept responsibility for their actions. You pull a gun, expect a violent situation. You kill a cop - complete with witnesses, expect consequences.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

An angry throng of about 30 youths gathered Monday and set up a memorial at the intersection where Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School, died.

What are they angry about? A fallen wannabe gangster who got what he deserved? Stupid ****** retards.

"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

Your cousin deserves to be dead for pulling a gun on another man. That man is out free because he did nothing wrong. Your cousin was the type of person who shouldn't be out free on the streets robbing people at gunpoint - and he isn't because Wells did the right ****** thing. Grow a fcking brain before you decide to breed. :|