15 year old shot and killed

[halik]

The CCW owner's actions made darwinism more efficent. We're all better off now that this fvckup is dead.

 

[SVT Cobra]

My opinion:

He was not a 15 year old. He was a thug.

 

[Amused]

OK, why is CCW even in question? The man was on his front porch. You do not need a CCW license in ANY state to carry a gun on your own property.

And the kid pulled a gun on an innocent person. You threaten a life be prepared to lose your own. The shooting was fully justified and ANYONE who claims it wasn't is a fool.

 

[nonameo]

Could it have been handled better? Maybe... but the man was every bit justified in defending himself. I wish the kid didn't have to die, but such is life.

 

[Dean]

One less idiot in the world in my opinion. Placing flowers and teddy bears where he died. I'm sure when he was aiming the gun at the home owner he was not all about flowers and teddy bears.

I hope he burns in hell. While he is there buy his family and friend supporters one way tickets to hell with him. The homeowner, who is most likely deeply traumatized by the entire event, now has to go in hiding for fear of his life while his house gets destroyed.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i can't believe stupid people put up a memorial at where the kid died. he was a thug, and looked for trouble. he was just asking for it. he deserves no memorial, no balloons, no teddy bears. lame.

Just because the kid was a dick doesn't mean his friends and family arn't going to be affected by his death. I agree the fellow was justified in defending himself, but I wish more people could feel compasion for kid and his family. He may have grown out of his troubles and led a good life. It's sad.

I disagree. This is the way justice should be dispenced. It's called logical concequences and if his parents did not teach him not to holdup people they only have themself to blame.
Juging by the reaction of the neighbourhood, it's no wonder people have to carry guns to protect themself.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: nonameo
Could it have been handled better? Maybe... but the man was every bit justified in defending himself. I wish the kid didn't have to die, but such is life.

A better outcome would have been to have both thugs dead. Ho well.

 

[NanoStuff]

Points for the shooter, another useless wank dead. Countless millions to go.

 

[invidia]

If it was my life against a criminal's, I'll take the criminal's life out with no question asked or hesitation. There's nothing wrong taking away a criminal's life. He pull the gun at the man first.

There was no other way to escape from that. Run away? Not unless you can run faster than a bullet. Give them the money? Hell no. That would be giving in and that'll just let the next innocent person get his life threaten again. You think the US will give up demands to terrorists holding 1, 2, or even 10 American hostages and threaten the whole population with open-terrorist taking hostages season?

That's one less corrupt person in our society.

 

[zerocool84]

WOW just WOW to those people angry over the kid getting killed. Makes me sad

 

[jjones]

Another thug taking a dirt nap, boo hoo. The only fault I find with the shooter is that he didn't spare a shot for the other one and both punks aren't pushing up daisies right now.

 

[JRich]

One less gun-pulling punk...

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: crt1530
"They let that man run out freely," Foster said. "My cousin is dead."

He is also an ex-criminal. Good riddance. :thumbsup: to the guy with the gun.
he had balls, and he wasn't afraid to stick it to em.

 

[CTho9305]

What's interesting is that nowadays many people (including Tameka) have facebook accounts.

 

[idiotekniQues]

i am pro gun control but if the situation is as described in the article, what happened was excusable on the part of the shooter.

still doesnt make the answer to things like the VT tragedy letting lots of college kids carrying concealed weapons (which i have heard many pro gun people say)

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
i can't believe stupid people put up a memorial at where the kid died. he was a thug, and looked for trouble. he was just asking for it. he deserves no memorial, no balloons, no teddy bears. lame.

Just because the kid was a dick doesn't mean his friends and family arn't going to be affected by his death. I agree the fellow was justified in defending himself, but I wish more people could feel compasion for kid and his family. He may have grown out of his troubles and led a good life. It's sad.

I disagree. This is the way justice should be dispenced. It's called logical concequences and if his parents did not teach him not to holdup people they only have themself to blame.
Juging by the reaction of the neighbourhood, it's no wonder people have to carry guns to protect themself.

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: Connoisseur
Seems like another case where you take an extreme (or statistically minor) incident and make it the poster child for a cause. As far as gun control is concerned, I'd like to know statistics on the following:
1) How many shootings are committed by criminals with registered guns or registered guns stolen from civilians or guns purchased through gun shows (not sure if these have to be registered)?
2) How many "justifiable" killings are committed by civilians with registered guns?

I suspect 1>>>2 unless someone can prove me wrong. If they can, i'll gladly tuck my tail between my legs and leave. If i'm right, what justification is there for giving civilians the right to carry concealed weapons. It's pure statistics in my opinion. Now i've never had a gun pointed at me or my family and I feel sorry for those who have experienced this; i'm not sure if it would change my opinion emotionally but i'm willing to bet the majority of gun owners haven't had this happen to them either. I'm not going to discuss the right to bear arms simply because it'll just be a flaming argument between both sides.

::EDIT:: Was responding more to the question of whether or not this event should promote the cause of guns, not whether or not the kid was guilty. I think all the people involved are retarded for blaming a man for defending himself from a couple of criminals.

Google searched came up with this PDF Article is slightly old, but it answers your questions.

Key numbers from what I see are:

According to the 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those inmates who possessed a handgun, 9% had acquired it through theft, and 28% had acquired it through an illegal market such as a drug dealer or fence. Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least one gun, and 11% had sold or traded stolen guns.
Studies of adult and juvenile offenders that the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services conducted in 1992 and 1993 found that 15% of the adult offenders and 19% of the juvenile offenders had stolen guns; 16% of the adults and 24% of the juveniles had kept a stolen gun; and 20% of the adults and 30% of the juveniles had sold or traded a stolen gun.
From a sample of juvenile inmates in four States, Sheley and Wright found that more than 50% had stolen a gun at least once in their lives and 24% had stolen their most recently obtained handgun. They concluded that theft and burglary were the original, not always the proximate, source of many guns acquired by the juveniles.

Your comment was valid, but well, criminals can find other ways to get a firearm where law-abiding citizens can't.

 

[Feneant2]

I don't get how those people can be outraged. I mean I can't even feel bad for the kid while trying... all I can think of is the general 'good riddance' that everyone else here is feeling. I am even happy that he was killed so the system does not have to pay to rehabilitate this kid. Why should your taxes pay so a criminal can get back to health and more than likely eventually just kill someone.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I hate these "Life" arguments.

"We can't do abortion because its killing a baby!"

"That guy should be in prison because he killed someone in self defense!!"

Seriously.There are 6.5 billion people on the planet. In my opinion, thats 3 billion too much. We might as well be killing off the ones that committed crimes and are in Jail for life. They are only draining the economy because we have to feed then and take care of them. They even get free health insurance.

The ones that attempt to commit a crime by gun/force really have no right to say anything on this matter. They took the risks, and nobody should say its under deserved when they get killed/injured. Whenever you carry a gun, you are accepting that you have a chance of dying. The families should recognize that this guy was doing a crime, and this guy was ready to harm another. Hell, if it was my Son, I would probably feed him to the dogs to teach him a lesson.

It was within the teens right to kill him when the gun was pulled against him. He even had MORAL rights. I mean, its fight or flight. This guy was able to fight, so he did.

Everyone has a moral obligation to allow themselves to live, but that obligation gets destroyed when they attempt to hurt another

When there is one death it's a tragedy, when more die, it's a statistic. There are reasons why this like that are written.

 

[Kadarin]

From TFA:

Gun supporters said the weapon saved Wells' life. Opponents said it took Buford's - that the 15-year-old might be alive if a citizen had not been armed.

Boo hoo. Sometimes people deserve to die, and this sounds like justifiable homicide to me.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: BKLounger
let me just make sure i am crystal here. A 15 year old pulls a gun on a person then the other person responds by shooting a weapon (which he had concealed and a permit for) and people are on the side of the 15 year old?

Am i correct in this? who in the world can actually be on the side of the 15 year old with an illegal fire arm who pulled his weapon first?

Ignorant thug culture douchebags.

And his cousin lol

 

[idiotekniQues]

Originally posted by: Kelvrick

Originally posted by: Connoisseur
Seems like another case where you take an extreme (or statistically minor) incident and make it the poster child for a cause. As far as gun control is concerned, I'd like to know statistics on the following:
1) How many shootings are committed by criminals with registered guns or registered guns stolen from civilians or guns purchased through gun shows (not sure if these have to be registered)?
2) How many "justifiable" killings are committed by civilians with registered guns?

I suspect 1>>>2 unless someone can prove me wrong. If they can, i'll gladly tuck my tail between my legs and leave. If i'm right, what justification is there for giving civilians the right to carry concealed weapons. It's pure statistics in my opinion. Now i've never had a gun pointed at me or my family and I feel sorry for those who have experienced this; i'm not sure if it would change my opinion emotionally but i'm willing to bet the majority of gun owners haven't had this happen to them either. I'm not going to discuss the right to bear arms simply because it'll just be a flaming argument between both sides.

::EDIT:: Was responding more to the question of whether or not this event should promote the cause of guns, not whether or not the kid was guilty. I think all the people involved are retarded for blaming a man for defending himself from a couple of criminals.

Google searched came up with this PDF Article is slightly old, but it answers your questions.

Key numbers from what I see are:

According to the 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those inmates who possessed a handgun, 9% had acquired it through theft, and 28% had acquired it through an illegal market such as a drug dealer or fence. Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least one gun, and 11% had sold or traded stolen guns.
Studies of adult and juvenile offenders that the Virginia Department of Criminal Justice Services conducted in 1992 and 1993 found that 15% of the adult offenders and 19% of the juvenile offenders had stolen guns; 16% of the adults and 24% of the juveniles had kept a stolen gun; and 20% of the adults and 30% of the juveniles had sold or traded a stolen gun.
From a sample of juvenile inmates in four States, Sheley and Wright found that more than 50% had stolen a gun at least once in their lives and 24% had stolen their most recently obtained handgun. They concluded that theft and burglary were the original, not always the proximate, source of many guns acquired by the juveniles.

Your comment was valid, but well, criminals can find other ways to get a firearm where law-abiding citizens can't.

if you own a gun, you should be more careful with it so it doesnt become stolen.

you should be required to get a goddamn real safe taht no punk robber can just crack so that gun cant get on the street. or for that matter, all of your guns.

if you want to be able to own a gun, you should be able to protect it against petty theft.

we not only need some gun control, but gun owners need gun repsonsibility. and that just doesnt mean shooting the bad guys.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues

if you own a gun, you should be more careful with it so it doesnt become stolen.

you should be required to get a goddamn real safe taht no punk robber can just crack so that gun cant get on the street. or for that matter, all of your guns.

if you want to be able to own a gun, you should be able to protect it against petty theft.

we not only need some gun control, but gun owners need gun repsonsibility. and that just doesnt mean shooting the bad guys.

How about you focus on giving up your own rights and let others decide what to do with their rights?

 

[Luthien]

Who knows what could have happened. They might have killed the guy or raped him and at the very least probably knocked him around and stole his things. I hope it serves as a lesson for other thieves. I don't believe there are many people who would not have done the same thing in the same situation. The alternative could be very grim for the innocent party.

 

[Luthien]

you know if it was two really hot chicks and I was in the same situation...