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[MrDudeMan]

i am satisfied with the results

thx everyone

 

[bluemax]

"there is no way a HSF cools it off that much to keep it from dying in a few seconds."

Alas... he's not alone. Even with CPU-stoppers, they just run too hot to leave to chance.
Had a friend fry a Duron in 2 seconds.... he put heatsink compound on the CPU and "tested" it. It boiled within that 2 seconds.

 

[kaizersose]

i guy i know did that with an early gen p3, head a pop and had to make up some bs about how the processor was bad to begin with. I talked to my heat transfer professor and asked him how long a chip like that (~1.8 ghz) could run without cooling before it blew. his response: "About 2 seconds"

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
my bro-in-law was borrowing my CPU to test his system out, and he told me he turned it on to test it without the HSF on just to see if it will post. i was like WTF?!?!

someone please explain WHY it is bad because he doesnt agree with me. he said "it wont hurt it if i just turn it on for 5 seconds to see if it works." i was like "there is no substance to a CPU. there is no where for the heat to be dissipated. it is all absorbed by the processor." and then he said "there is no way a HSF cools it off that much to keep it from dying in a few seconds."


i am not home, so i cant go test it to see if it is actually dead, but tell me what you think

To be honest, I wouldnt even try that with a Intel processor that has an in-built failsafe which is supposed to and I believe will do in more than 99% of cases shut the machine down lightning fast to avoid damage.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: kaizersose
i guy i know did that with an early gen p3, head a pop and had to make up some bs about how the processor was bad to begin with. I talked to my heat transfer professor and asked him how long a chip like that (~1.8 ghz) could run without cooling before it blew. his response: "About 2 seconds"

ok, i told him about 3 seconds, which i thought i read somewhere, but i guess 2 seconds is even worse. great

he claims it was cold to the touch, so either a) he didnt install it correctly and it actually isnt turning on or b) it is so fried it wont even try to power up anymore

 

[Corporate Thug]

no, my bro did that with a 1.2 ghz duron and it died in seconds AND took the mobo socket with it

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: shady06
no, my bro did that with a 1.2 ghz duron and it died in seconds AND took the mobo socket with it

^10

 

[Jeff7]

What kind of processor? New processors can dissipate somewhere around 90 watts I believe.
Tell this friend to touch a 60 watt lightbulb sometime. Granted, it'll have to be on a little bit, but that's like an inch away from the actual filament. Ask him if he'd like to touch that same white-hot filament after only a few seconds. That's only 60 watts too.
Or heck, another example - a mere 30 watt soldering iron. It still gets pretty damn hot, and it's a lot bigger than a tiny CPU core. This friend apparently doesn't know much about heat buildup - the full power flows right through the core at POST. If there's nothing there to suck that heat away immediately, you'll be treated to that oh-so-wonderful smell of burning electronics.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
What kind of processor? New processors can dissipate somewhere around 90 watts I believe.
Tell this friend to touch a 60 watt lightbulb sometime. Granted, it'll have to be on a little bit, but that's like an inch away from the actual filament. Ask him if he'd like to touch that same white-hot filament after only a few seconds. That's only 60 watts too.
Or heck, another example - a mere 30 watt soldering iron. It still gets pretty damn hot, and it's a lot bigger than a tiny CPU core. This friend apparently doesn't know much about heat buildup - the full power flows right through the core at POST. If there's nothing there to suck that heat away immediately, you'll be treated to that oh-so-wonderful smell of burning electronics.

its an xp1600+


and i tried to tell him that the CPU cant handle its own heat buildup. thats like running your car engine without a water pump...not gonna happen.

 

[bluemax]

I wanna' know what people voted "yes"! :Q

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: bluemax
I wanna' know what people voted "yes"! :Q

exactly what i was thinking...

 

[phoenix79]

No, AMD stated a while back that the processor WILL fry in under 3 seconds.

 

[zodder]

My buddy fried his 1.33 T-bird in a matter of seconds.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: phoenix79
No, AMD stated a while back that the processor WILL fry in under 3 seconds.

do you know where to find that info? i am looking and cant come up with it, but i know i read that somewhere as well...

 

[phoenix79]

actually, i was looking for it too but I couldn't find it. It's an old quote so it may not be on their stite still.

 

[Matthias99]

Here's the original THG article from years back on the topic, complete with video of them frying an Athlon without a heatsink. And those Athlons have WAY less heat dissipation than a new AXP.

article -- video at end

You shouldn't *permanently* damage a P4 doing this, but it's certainly not advisable. At all.

 

[phoenix79]

now i remember reading that article

 

[RobCur]

I had heatsink/fan sitting on top of my duron 1100, not latched in. turned it on for 3 sec and behold! smokes coming out!!! and it stinks too.
if you latched it in, turn it on for maybe 2min i think it still be ok but after 5 min, yea it be toast too.

 

[thorin]

EDIT 2: if you are dumb enough to say yes to this, PLEASE give your reasons why you think it is ok

Seeing as you couldn't even word your question properly I hardly think you're in any position to call anyone "dumb".

For one tour question isn't specific enough so I selected "Yes I would" based on the following possibilities.

1) Not all CPUs requires a HSF. Some only need a HS, some don't need anything.
2) You can use a Liquid Nitro, Water, and other coolants.
3) Mistakes happen.....life goes on. My brother ran my old 366@550 for a few days w/o the fan on the HSF plugged in and it was fine.
etc...

Thorin

 

[Spearhawk]

Originally posted by: Matthias99
Here's the original THG article from years back on the topic, complete with video of them frying an Athlon without a heatsink. And those Athlons have WAY less heat dissipation than a new AXP.

Mmmm, isn't the Tbird 1.4 GHzsuposed to be the hotest CPU ever?

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: thorin

EDIT 2: if you are dumb enough to say yes to this, PLEASE give your reasons why you think it is ok

Seeing as you couldn't even word your question properly I hardly think you're in any possition to call anyone "dumb".

Your question isn't specific enough so I selected "Yes I would" based on the following possabilities.

1) Not all CPUs requires a HSF. Some only need a HS, some don't need anything.
2) You can use a Liquid Nitro, Water, and other coolants.
3) Mistakes happen.....life goes on. My brother ran my old 366@550 for a few days w/o the fan on the HSF plugged in and it was fine.
etc...

Thorin

you cant possbily be that stupid...

1) we are assuming you arent using a p2 400. i know i didnt say that, but it is pretty much implied because this isnt 1995.
2) um it is all pretty much the same. basically, it is a device to cool your CPU. the question is whether or not you would turn it on without cooling. if you want to talk specifics, thats fine because you already proved you are trying to nit-pick and be annoying.
3) you are right...mistakes happen, but these kinds of mistakes are avoidable with a little bit of common sense.

sorry mr. grammar police. i will try lots more hard to word my questions gooder so people who are anal retentive (thats you) can still answer them without skewing the results.

edit: before you make fun of my sentence, why dont you go through your post and get all of your errors as well? yours was just as bad as mine, except i dont care about puncuation. so, in that respect, mine is worse, but at least learn how to spell before nominating yourself as a grammar nazi.

 

[phoenix79]

you cant possbily be that stupid...

1) we are assuming you arent using a p2 400. i know i didnt say that, but it is pretty much implied because this isnt 1995.
2) um it is all pretty much the same. basically, it is a device to cool your CPU. the question is whether or not you would turn it on without cooling. if you want to talk specifics, thats fine because you already proved you are trying to nit-pick and be annoying.
3) you are right...mistakes happen, but these kinds of mistakes are avoidable with a little bit of common sense.

sorry mr. grammar police. i will try lots more hard to word my questions gooder so people who are anal retentive (thats you) can still answer them without skewing the results.

Hehe, I like you

 

[thorin]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: thorin

EDIT 2: if you are dumb enough to say yes to this, PLEASE give your reasons why you think it is ok

Seeing as you couldn't even word your question properly I hardly think you're in any possition to call anyone "dumb".

Your question isn't specific enough so I selected "Yes I would" based on the following possabilities.

1) Not all CPUs requires a HSF. Some only need a HS, some don't need anything.
2) You can use a Liquid Nitro, Water, and other coolants.
3) Mistakes happen.....life goes on. My brother ran my old 366@550 for a few days w/o the fan on the HSF plugged in and it was fine.
etc...

Thorin

you cant possbily be that stupid...

1) we are assuming you arent using a p2 400. i know i didnt say that, but it is pretty much implied because this isnt 1995.

Have you ever heard of RISC CPUs? Via CPUs? StrongARM CPUs? xScale? Transmeta? Or how about things like this (it's a passively cooled 1.3GHz ..... actually they have a 1.6 available now as well. There are lots of other possibilities but I'll leave it at that......

2) um it is all pretty much the same. basically, it is a device to cool your CPU. the question is whether or not you would turn it on without cooling. if you want to talk specifics, thats fine because you already proved you are trying to nit-pick and be annoying.

I forgot to mention peltiers.......

3) you are right...mistakes happen, but these kinds of mistakes are avoidable with a little bit of common sense.

Yes they can be avoided but it isn't the BFD everyone makes it out to be all the time.

sorry mr. grammar police. i will try lots more hard to word my questions gooder so people who are anal retentive (thats you) can still answer them without skewing the results.

Good then maybe you'll be SMRT like Homer.

Thorin

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: phoenix79

you cant possbily be that stupid...

1) we are assuming you arent using a p2 400. i know i didnt say that, but it is pretty much implied because this isnt 1995.
2) um it is all pretty much the same. basically, it is a device to cool your CPU. the question is whether or not you would turn it on without cooling. if you want to talk specifics, thats fine because you already proved you are trying to nit-pick and be annoying.
3) you are right...mistakes happen, but these kinds of mistakes are avoidable with a little bit of common sense.

sorry mr. grammar police. i will try lots more hard to word my questions gooder so people who are anal retentive (thats you) can still answer them without skewing the results.

Hehe, I like you

sorry if i was a little rude, but that was annoying to me.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: thorin

....blah blah blah....blah blah blah....etc.

Thorin

so you couldnt come up with a quality comeback, and you have to try to be funny to take some of the heat off...nice

i dont really want to argue with you (i mean that) but by voting yes when you knew what i meant and it should have been a no annoys me somewhat. now he has a leg to stand on when he tries to tell me he didnt break my CPU. "i told you it is ok. look, other people voted yes."