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[jjyiz28]

id turn it on if it has a heatsink , but no fan for very quick testing purposes. but if it has not heatsink, then no i would never turn it on.

 

[BFG10K]

No because it's about as stupid as sticking a screwdriver into a spinning case fan.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: kaizersose
i guy i know did that with an early gen p3, head a pop and had to make up some bs about how the processor was bad to begin with. I talked to my heat transfer professor and asked him how long a chip like that (~1.8 ghz) could run without cooling before it blew. his response: "About 2 seconds"

ok, i told him about 3 seconds, which i thought i read somewhere, but i guess 2 seconds is even worse. great

he claims it was cold to the touch, so either a) he didnt install it correctly and it actually isnt turning on or b) it is so fried it wont even try to power up anymore

Cold to the touch! WTF!?

I touched a powered-on CPU (that I thought was off) on its bare die and I got a PAINFUL burn on my thumb... Apparently it was only on for a few seconds (Duron 600).

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
EDIT: if you say no, PLEASE give a reason so he can read this

my bro-in-law was borrowing my CPU to test his system out, and he told me he turned it on to test it without the HSF on just to see if it will post. i was like WTF?!?!

someone please explain WHY it is bad because he doesnt agree with me. he said "it wont hurt it if i just turn it on for 5 seconds to see if it works." i was like "there is no substance to a CPU. there is no where for the heat to be dissipated. it is all absorbed by the processor." and then he said "there is no way a HSF cools it off that much to keep it from dying in a few seconds."


i am not home, so i cant go test it to see if it is actually dead, but tell me what you think


here is a movie of what happens to your CPU if you take off the HSF - proof of intels built in saftey feature. also, proof that AMDs die quicker

AMD fixed it now I think.

 

[mechBgon]

What processor are we talking about here? If it's an AthlonXP or Duron, then I have a great visualization exercise for him:

• Turn on a 60-watt light bulb
• Grab it firmly with your hand for five seconds before letting go :Q
• Now imagine all that heat being focused on just your thumbnail :evil: Gettin' the picture now?

~ ah so, grasshoppah...

Now, if it's a CPU that has a metal heatspreader, then we are now applying the ~50-60 watts of heat to not just a tiny scrap of silicon, but to a tiny scrap of silicon with a chunk of nickel-plated copper permanently attached to it, and the threat is significanlty lowered.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
No because it's about as stupid as sticking a screwdriver into a spinning case fan.

Nah, the fan'll stop, but not much else.

 

[mechBgon]

Let me add that on a motherboard that features emergency overheat protection, an AthlonXP will signal for an emergency power-down in under one second. I was assembling a batch of systems for work, and I forgot to remove the plastic slip from the thermal patch on a retail AMD heatsink and that was enough of an obstacle to the thermal transfer that it was powering off almost instantly. So five seconds is definitely four seconds too long.

 

[MrDudeMan]

i want to know what morons are voting yes. you people should not be allowed to participate in GH.

 

[Nohr]

Bah, let him do it since he's so smart. Sometimes people need to lose $$ before they learn something.

 

[Cerb]

Ran the first Duron I got w/o HSF for 3-4 seconds to let it post.
Amazingly, it survived, and ran flawlessly at exactly 1GHz (wouldn't do even 1005MHz, but rock solid at 1000). However, it was clearly hot enough that both my father and I learned right away to never even THINK about doing that again.

I also forgot the plastic film once, and my AK35GT2 just never posted. Saved the CPU, just like it was supposed to.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
i want to know what morons are voting yes. you people should not be allowed to participate in GH.

I'd be OK with doing it to your CPU.*













* You did say "ever".





(you're the moron who gave "us morons" a "Choice" in the poll.)

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
EDIT: if you say no, PLEASE give a reason so he can read this

my bro-in-law was borrowing my CPU to test his system out, and he told me he turned it on to test it without the HSF on just to see if it will post. i was like WTF?!?!

someone please explain WHY it is bad because he doesnt agree with me. he said "it wont hurt it if i just turn it on for 5 seconds to see if it works." i was like "there is no substance to a CPU. there is no where for the heat to be dissipated. it is all absorbed by the processor." and then he said "there is no way a HSF cools it off that much to keep it from dying in a few seconds."


i am not home, so i cant go test it to see if it is actually dead, but tell me what you think


here is a movie of what happens to your CPU if you take off the HSF - proof of intels built in saftey feature. also, proof that AMDs die quicker

AMD fixed it now I think.

They did, by including the on-die thermal sensor along with the board makers through bios support. As I stated, I left the cooler off but plugged in to the fan header to test the overheat protection with a nF2 board and 1700+ t-bred A and it worked flawlessly. The fans started to spin up and then it shutdown, immediate/subsequent attemps resulted in dead CPU symptoms. I replaced the cooler and it booted normally.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
i want to know what morons are voting yes. you people should not be allowed to participate in GH.

I'd be OK with doing it to your CPU.*

* You did say "ever".


(you're the moron who gave "us morons" a "Choice" in the poll.)

aw come on! i cant start a poll with only 1 answer LOL

 

[ElFenix]

i've turned on lots of cpus without heat sinks on them in my time...

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i've turned on lots of cpus without heat sinks on them in my time...

and the results?

 

[BFG10K]

Nah, the fan'll stop, but not much else.

A much better way to stop it would be to power the system down. So yes, it is stupid doing that.

 

[capricorn]

I was going to mention my (circa 1997) P-200 MHz (not even P-II), but I figured someone would jump all over my case about that. Nice to see that I wouldn't have been wrong. It has a heat sink, but no fan and was my Linux firewall until about a year and a half ago. Really, it's still fast enough for just being a firewall. I started doing other things on that box and had a K6/2+ 550MHz laying around, so I replaced it. The "new" box does have a (small) HSF, but the fan had failed for a while before I noticed, and it's still running.

 

[MGMorden]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i've turned on lots of cpus without heat sinks on them in my time...

and the results?

I've turned them on without doing any damage whatsoever. Was an IDT Winchip 225mhz. Heck you could almost boot into Windows all the way without the heatsink on. About 30 seconds in or so though it'd lock up. Turn it off and it would be fine though.

I think basically some people are voting yes because you made it sound like you would NEVER do that, and that's not necessarily true. It's not a good practice, but it certainly isn't going to destroy every CPU. The new Via or Transmeta chips certainly won't fry in a few seconds without the HSF, and indeed, a lot of people are still assembling older systems despite the fact that it's not "1995". I teach a computer maintenance course at a technical school and I advise my students to go on down to the local Goodwill to pick up an old system (usually a 166mhz or so. they sell for $30-40) for practice. Sometimes that "practice" system becomes the student's main computer if they're from a low income background (a 166 will still surf the web and check email just fine).

Bottom line, don't be a smart-ass and keep saying "people who vote yes shouldn't be allowed on GH" and other such nonsense. Realize that there are situations that exist besides your little fried Athlon XP1600, and they would certainly apply to the poll question you posed.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: MGMorden

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ElFenix
i've turned on lots of cpus without heat sinks on them in my time...

and the results?

I've turned them on without doing any damage whatsoever. Was an IDT Winchip 225mhz. Heck you could almost boot into Windows all the way without the heatsink on. About 30 seconds in or so though it'd lock up. Turn it off and it would be fine though.

I think basically some people are voting yes because you made it sound like you would NEVER do that, and that's not necessarily true. It's not a good practice, but it certainly isn't going to destroy every CPU. The new Via or Transmeta chips certainly won't fry in a few seconds without the HSF, and indeed, a lot of people are still assembling older systems despite the fact that it's not "1995". I teach a computer maintenance course at a technical school and I advise my students to go on down to the local Goodwill to pick up an old system (usually a 166mhz or so. they sell for $30-40) for practice. Sometimes that "practice" system becomes the student's main computer if they're from a low income background (a 166 will still surf the web and check email just fine).

Bottom line, don't be a smart-ass and keep saying "people who vote yes shouldn't be allowed on GH" and other such nonsense. Realize that there are situations that exist besides your little fried Athlon XP1600, and they would certainly apply to the poll question you posed.

once agan you fvcking ass monkey, read the post and it is not objective, it is subjective. this isnt 1995 and it is pretty much understood that we arent talking about <1ghz chips.

eat me.


edit: i didnt even bother to read your post, but when i did, LMFAO HAHAHAAHHA. PRACTICE on a system that old?!?! sorry, but that has no practical application. if they plan on getting a job where they will actually be paid in $$$ they wont need to know how to assemble a 386. i cant even think of a business, or even an individual, who uses computers that old.

 

[MGMorden]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

edit: i didnt even bother to read your post, but when i did, LMFAO HAHAHAAHHA. PRACTICE on a system that old?!?! sorry, but that has no practical application. if they plan on getting a job where they will actually be paid in $$$ they wont need to know how to assemble a 386. i cant even think of a business, or even an individual, who uses computers that old.

You are aware that an the last oh so many years, the ATX specs haven't changed right? If you can dissassemble and then reassemble one ATX system, you can do another. There's nothing too different about a 166mhz Pentium vs an Athlon XP as far as assembly goes. Businesses aren't looking for the latest 1337 h4x0r who can install a case window and neon lights. They're looking for down to earth techs who can put together a system, don't mind wearing a tie everyday, and generally act like adults. You're really going to need to mature if you plan on going anywhere in life.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: MGMorden

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

edit: i didnt even bother to read your post, but when i did, LMFAO HAHAHAAHHA. PRACTICE on a system that old?!?! sorry, but that has no practical application. if they plan on getting a job where they will actually be paid in $$$ they wont need to know how to assemble a 386. i cant even think of a business, or even an individual, who uses computers that old.

You are aware that an the last oh so many years, the ATX specs haven't changed right? If you can dissassemble and then reassemble one ATX system, you can do another. There's nothing too different about a 166mhz Pentium vs an Athlon XP as far as assembly goes. Businesses aren't looking for the latest 1337 h4x0r who can install a case window and neon lights. They're looking for down to earth techs who can put together a system, don't mind wearing a tie everyday, and generally act like adults. You're really going to need to mature if you plan on going anywhere in life.

where did i say you needed to act like a haXor? hmm thats right, i didnt. many things have changed since the pentium 166, but as far as sticking the square peg in the square hole, i didnt know you needed practice for that. if they cant figure out how to put the IDE cable and the molex in a hard drive, should they really be doing this as a job? those are pretty simple and straight-forward tasks. i am not trying to be a smart-ass or funny right now either...totally serious. that kinda stuff should be self-taught, no offense, because it involves no brain power. other, more technical things, which i am sure you teach, are worth a class. but, as far as putting it together, c'mon

i dont need to do any growing up or mature...i am perfectly fine. excuse me for kidding around and having a good time on the internet where being anonymous is the best

btw, i am going somewhere in life. thanks for the advice though.

 

[yhelothar]

I once did that on a 900MHz thunderbird to get a cdrom out. It took around 5 seconds total, the processor survived it. I even felt the processor after, it was really hot, but no smoke came out, and it still worked 100% afterwards.

 

[MGMorden]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan that kinda stuff should be self-taught, no offense, because it involves no brain power. other, more technical things, which i am sure you teach, are worth a class. but, as far as putting it together, c'mon

A lot of students who enter into a technical program don't have ANY experience in the field. A good number don't even have computers at home. The students taking this course often have never even seen the inside of a computer. They don't even know all the components required to put together a computer, much less how to build one (or more importantly for businesses, fix one, as very few businesses assemble their own PC's in-house). For these people, it's beneficial to take a more baseline course. After completing the course they can generally identify every part of a computer system and assemble it without problem (and in our exams we use 1.3Ghz systems). After that we do move on to more advanced courses in things like systems administration (now in both Windows and Linux), but you have to understand that for any educational curriculum to work out you have to start with the assumption that the students know almost nothing about what they're planning to study. That might not be the case for everyone, but to not make that assumption is to cheat a portion of people who are willing to learn if you give them a chance.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: MGMorden

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

that kinda stuff should be self-taught, no offense, because it involves no brain power. other, more technical things, which i am sure you teach, are worth a class. but, as far as putting it together, c'mon

A lot of students who enter into a technical program don't have ANY experience in the field. A good number don't even have computers at home. The students taking this course often have never even seen the inside of a computer. They don't even know all the components required to put together a computer, much less how to build one (or more importantly for businesses, fix one, as very few businesses assemble their own PC's in-house). For these people, it's beneficial to take a more baseline course. After completing the course they can generally identify every part of a computer system and assemble it without problem (and in our exams we use 1.3Ghz systems). After that we do move on to more advanced courses in things like systems administration (now in both Windows and Linux), but you have to understand that for any educational curriculum to work out you have to start with the assumption that the students know almost nothing about what they're planning to study. That might not be the case for everyone, but to not make that assumption is to cheat a portion of people who are willing to learn if you give them a chance.

ok, i can go for some of that, but i still think in todays world, it is much easier to get your hands on a computer than it used to be.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
i want to know what morons are voting yes. you people should not be allowed to participate in GH.

I'd be OK with doing it to your CPU.*

* You did say "ever".


(you're the moron who gave "us morons" a "Choice" in the poll.)

aw come on! i cant start a poll with only 1 answer LOL

Then don't get p.o.'d when the responses are not what you expected.

Although it is true, your bro-in-law is WRONG, BOTH Intel and AMD have designed THERMAL PROTECTION into current CPUs and it CAN be done and is NO big DEAL.