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[thorin]

so you couldnt come up with a quality comeback, and you have to try to be funny to take some of the heat off...nice

I don't see any simleys or laughing in my post. I was being completely serious. Sry you don't see it.

My answer is YES because it's no big deal, and there are plenty of instances where it's no big deal.

Let add another:
4) Intel CPUs know enough to throttle back when they aren't being cooled sufficiently (as THG demonstrated).

Sorry that you're having trouble prooving your brother wrong when you aren't completely right.

Edit: Though if you want a good arguement for your brother explain to him that it's like running his car without a radiator or any coolant (AntiFreeze).

Thorin

 

[phoenix79]

If you had bothered to read through the thread you would have found out that the processor was an Athlon XP1600+. Therefore most of your arguments about Intel and other processors are moot points. You should learn to read what you reply to.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: thorin

so you couldnt come up with a quality comeback, and you have to try to be funny to take some of the heat off...nice

I don't see any simleys or laughing in my post. I was being completely serious. Sry you don't see it.

My answer is YES because it's no big deal, and there are plenty of instances where it's no big deal.

Let add another:
4) Intel CPUs know enough to throttle back when they aren't being cooled sufficiently (as THG demonstrated).

Sorry that you're having trouble prooving your brother wrong when you aren't completely right.

Edit: Though if you want a good arguement for your brother explain to him that it's like running his car without a radiator or any coolant (AntiFreeze).

Thorin

ok, i will stop being a smart ass. sorry, i am still a teenager and you know how we get sometimes

anyway, yeah i tried to give him that example, but it didnt work. engines can run for like 30-40 seconds without a radiator and still actually work...CPUs (read: AMDs) die within seconds, so he thought i actually proved myself wrong.

i guess you were half right in stating that i was unclear because intels actually throttle down. but, in my defense, i did state it a few posts down

ok i dont know if you hate me now lol but im sorry i blew up and was a smart ass.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: phoenix79
If you had bothered to read through the thread you would have found out that the processor was an Athlon XP1600+. Therefore most of your arguments about Intel and other processors are moot points. You should learn to read what you reply to.

*hides in the corner*

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

someone link this man the THG video of athlons frying when their heatsink's are taken off. he can give his brother visual proof that he owes him a new CPU.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
someone link this man the THG video of athlons frying when their heatsink's are taken off. he can give his brother visual proof that he owes him a new CPU.

i found that link and put it in my first post, but i appreciate the heads up :beer:

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Hey, MrDudeMan's brother in law.

Yes, the mullet-having hairy-backed inbred gorilla.

Cough up the dough for another processor, give it to MrDudeMan, and go buy a Dell because you're too fvcking stupid to build a machine on your own, and I hope for your sake you don't breed.

- M4H

 

[AWhackWhiteBoy]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
someone link this man the THG video of athlons frying when their heatsink's are taken off. he can give his brother visual proof that he owes him a new CPU.

i found that link and put it in my first post, but i appreciate the heads up :beer:

oye,sorry,didn't notice

 

[jm0ris0n]

I would if it was a epia system, or a cpu that needed little cooling.

Athlon or Pentium = NO!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: jm0ris0n
I would if it was a epia system, or a cpu that needed little cooling.

Athlon or Pentium = NO!

Even on the C3s you still need at least a heatsink.

- M4H

 

[pukemon]

the heatsink is an absolute must - the fan is a very good idea. however you can probalby run without a fan for about 30 secs provided it's large enough. i tested my old durons that way but i was using a zalman all copper flower heatsink

 

[robcy]

I read somewhere that a Palomino XP 1600+ disipates as much heat in its less than sqare inch die, as a conventional house iron disepates over its entire heating surface when set to medium (3.4E is compared to high, due to a larger die area). The heat reaches the die surface within .15 of a second after power on, and will overload within 1.5 seconds after that.

While intel has failsafe protection, on about 40% of all cases that the HSF/FAN is not secured correctly, the MB does not respond fast enought to cut the power before damage occurs.

 

[phoenix79]

If you watch the THG video, you see the athlon going to nearly 300 degrees C in less than 3 or 4 seconds. These things burn out at 90C. I would be surprised if the thermal diode could read the temp fast enough.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: phoenix79
If you watch the THG video, you see the athlon going to nearly 300 degrees C in less than 3 or 4 seconds. These things burn out at 90C. I would be surprised if the thermal diode could read the temp fast enough.

yeah...good point

i need to find a spec sheet somewhere

 

[Gurck]

Your brother-in-law is remarkably stupid. For your own good (and wallet) don't let him play with your toys anymore.

 

[SneakyStuff]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Your brother-in-law is remarkably stupid. For your own good (and wallet) don't let him play with your toys anymore.

You read my mind, just because he's too lazy to put the HS on, doesnt mean hes right

 

[MrDudeMan]

it is going to be impossible to explain to him that he is wrong. that athlon got to 370C in less than 3 seconds...id say the HSF is pretty important

 

[phoenix79]

just show him the video. that should be proof enough

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: SneakyStuff

Originally posted by: Gurck
Your brother-in-law is remarkably stupid. For your own good (and wallet) don't let him play with your toys anymore.

You read my mind, just because he's too lazy to put the HS on, doesnt mean hes right

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

plain old athlon 1.4 gig can run about 45 seconds without a fan but with a heat sink. It survived me doing that 2 or 3 times... Without the heatsink it'd be toast(I didn't much care for it).

 

[Acanthus]

No, only an idiot would attempt this. Especially if you are experienced.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: thorin

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: thorin

EDIT 2: if you are dumb enough to say yes to this, PLEASE give your reasons why you think it is ok

Seeing as you couldn't even word your question properly I hardly think you're in any possition to call anyone "dumb".

Your question isn't specific enough so I selected "Yes I would" based on the following possabilities.

1) Not all CPUs requires a HSF. Some only need a HS, some don't need anything.
2) You can use a Liquid Nitro, Water, and other coolants.
3) Mistakes happen.....life goes on. My brother ran my old 366@550 for a few days w/o the fan on the HSF plugged in and it was fine.
etc...

Thorin

you cant possbily be that stupid...

1) we are assuming you arent using a p2 400. i know i didnt say that, but it is pretty much implied because this isnt 1995.

Have you ever heard of RISC CPUs? Via CPUs? StrongARM CPUs? xScale? Transmeta? Or how about things like this (it's a passively cooled 1.3GHz ..... actually they have a 1.6 available now as well. There are lots of other possibilities but I'll leave it at that......

2) um it is all pretty much the same. basically, it is a device to cool your CPU. the question is whether or not you would turn it on without cooling. if you want to talk specifics, thats fine because you already proved you are trying to nit-pick and be annoying.

I forgot to mention peltiers.......

3) you are right...mistakes happen, but these kinds of mistakes are avoidable with a little bit of common sense.

Yes they can be avoided but it isn't the BFD everyone makes it out to be all the time.

sorry mr. grammar police. i will try lots more hard to word my questions gooder so people who are anal retentive (thats you) can still answer them without skewing the results.

Good then maybe you'll be SMRT like Homer.

Thorin

To be truthful, its very obvious you are being a troll. Either that or your go through a lot of keyboards from drooling in them and shorting them out, STOP POSTING!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Given the circumstances and reason stated for doing so in the original post, the answer is your b-in-l is a idiot However, I have turned on the system with the cooler off but plugged into the CPU fan header in order to affirm that the CPU overheat protection AKA Antiburn shield 2 on my board did indeed work with a 1700+ t-bred A :evil:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
would you ever turn on a CPU W/O a HSF installed?

Ever?

I can think of a few instances where it'd be 'yes'.

 

[beatle]

Never on a 1600+. If your wants to see the chip I nuked by not attaching the heatsink properly, I can post pics. It didn't even have a chance to POST.