12 people dead, 25 wounded in England shooting spree

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Zebo

Zebo

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Red Dawn said:
Sounds like you've be giving it a lot of thought:eek:
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lol no trust me I'm armed with hot lead injection devices if life is threatened. But you hear the stories when half your buddies are cops you'd be surprised many many homicides don't involve firearms.
 
StinkyPinky

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I don't think guns are as restricted in the UK as people think. My uncle lives in Yorkshire and has a (legal) rifle. It may be one of those laws that the police only enforce if there's a need. Not sure.
 
Cogman

Cogman

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WelshBloke said:
I dont have a shotgun, I was thinking about it but as I can get pretty much free pheasant and duck down the pub when they are in season (like I said lots of people round here go hunting) it didnt seem worth the cost.

And yeah side by side is the way to go round here (and I think most places in the UK) although no one is going to stop you from using an under and over, I think side by side is just seen as more traditional and places were hunting is most prevalent are more traditional/conservative areas.
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Interesting, Around here a double-barrel is really pretty rare. Most shotguns that I've seen are single barrel (though I have seen a double-barrel sawed off shot gun... I don't know if it was legal :D)
 
WelshBloke

WelshBloke

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Cogman said:
Interesting, Around here a double-barrel is really pretty rare. Most shotguns that I've seen are single barrel (though I have seen a double-barrel sawed off shot gun... I don't know if it was legal :D)
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:)It wasnt (if you're in the UK), where abouts are you?

I'll have to listen out when the shooting starts up again, its like a freekin war zone round here when people are shooting pheasants.:eek:
 
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spidey07

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Just think if all those victims at least had a chance to defend themselves. This would not have continued and lives would have been saved.
 
WelshBloke

WelshBloke

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spidey07 said:
Just think if all those victims at least had a chance to defend themselves. This would not have continued and lives would have been saved.
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If someones driving aroud shooting people at random you're not going to get much chance to shoot back, better to take cover I'd have thought.

Unless you wanted to use this tragedy to push your own personal agenda :rolleyes:
 
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CLite

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spidey07 said:
Just think if all those victims at least had a chance to defend themselves. This would not have continued and lives would have been saved.
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Citizen A sees the criminal firing at his friend. He pulls out his gun to mow down the guy calling him an asshole and die mf'er!

Citizen B with a bad angle only sees Citizen A firing at something screaming angrily, he has to be a good citizen so he pulls out his gun and starts mowing down Citizen B.

Etc. etc.

A bunch of street vigilantes opening fire in a city would leave a horrendous trail of bloodshed that could easily rival what happened in this incident.
 
Cogman

Cogman

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WelshBloke said:
:)It wasnt (if you're in the UK), where abouts are you?

I'll have to listen out when the shooting starts up again, its like a freekin war zone round here when people are shooting pheasants.:eek:
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I'm in the US now. Though, I did live in the UK for a while.

Judging by your avatar... and nickname, I would suspect you are from wales. I actually lived in Newtown for a couple of months (public transport there is TERRIBLE)
 
WelshBloke

WelshBloke

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Cogman said:
I'm in the US now. Though, I did live in the UK for a while.

Judging by your avatar... and nickname, I would suspect you are from wales. I actually lived in Newtown for a couple of months (public transport there is TERRIBLE)
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:D Its in the middle of nowhere, WTF were you doing there?
 
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spidey07

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CLite said:
Citizen A sees the criminal firing at his friend. He pulls out his gun to mow down the guy calling him an asshole and die mf'er!

Citizen B with a bad angle only sees Citizen A firing at something screaming angrily, he has to be a good citizen so he pulls out his gun and starts mowing down Citizen B.

Etc. etc.

A bunch of street vigilantes opening fire in a city would leave a horrendous trail of bloodshed that could easily rival what happened in this incident.
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Yet that almost never happens with an armed society. You can only shoot somebody that is intent on deadly force against you or another unarmed innocent. In your case Citizen B would be guilty of manslaughter and likely charged. You must always identify your target and what is beyond it, you can't just shoot somebody without very good and specific reasons depending on state.

This nutcase wouldn't have lasted very long in the southern US or any other carry state where there are those armed vigilantes you speak of. And there is no horrendous trail of bloodshed as you say. It just doesn't happen. People who carry take their responsibility very seriously and in your situation citizen B would never be able to own or be around a gun again. Gun owners don't like that prospect so they won't shoot unless they know it's a good shoot.
 
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nick1985

nick1985

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CLite said:
Citizen A sees the criminal firing at his friend. He pulls out his gun to mow down the guy calling him an asshole and die mf'er!

Citizen B with a bad angle only sees Citizen A firing at something screaming angrily, he has to be a good citizen so he pulls out his gun and starts mowing down Citizen B.

Etc. etc.

A bunch of street vigilantes opening fire in a city would leave a horrendous trail of bloodshed that could easily rival what happened in this incident.
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Except that never happens and all the statistics say that as well.


Nice theory though
 
WelshBloke

WelshBloke

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spidey07 said:
This nutcase wouldn't have lasted very long in the southern US or any other carry state where there are those armed vigilantes you speak of. And there is no horrendous trail of bloodshed as you say. It just doesn't happen. People who carry take their responsibility very seriously and in your situation citizen B would never be able to own or be around a gun again. Gun owners don't like that prospect so they won't shoot unless they know it's a good shoot.
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Yep no mass shootings in the US :rolleyes:
 
WelshBloke

WelshBloke

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spidey07 said:
They generally only happen where people aren't allowed to carry because the killer knows he faces no threat. See how it works?
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These would be the killers that usually go on to kill themselves, the ones you think are scared of being shot.

They are nuts, I dont think they are worried about self preservation.
 
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