12-25-2003: Dean to take on Athiests - ATers will not be happy

dmcowen674

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I don't have a link to this yet but CNN has been running this this morning:

12-25-2003 Dean announced today that he will focus more on Faith in his Campaign.

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Apparently he is not too happy about Athiest's winning all the Lawsuits to remove all religion in the U.S.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I don't have a link to this yet but CNN has been running this this morning:

12-25-2003 Dean announced today that he will focus more on Faith in his Campaign.

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Apparently he is not too happy about Athiest's winning all the Lawsuits to remove all religion in the U.S.

Here's a link to the Boston Globe article

CkG
 

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I was going to vote for Dean, but after this and "Our alliance with Israel is and must remain unshakeable" I'm not so sure hes any better than Bush.
 

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The thread title is a little disingenuous, Dave. It's not like Dean condemns atheists as blasphemers. And neither Episcopalians nor Congregationalists are anywhere near the far right of American Christianity.

As a Methodist, Bush is merely a poseur- his own beliefs are obviously at the right fringe of that denomination, more in line with Baptists or Pentecostals, perhaps even further over on the spectrum. And he hasn't been shy about allowing those beliefs to shape policy in the CDC, NIH, or even the National Park Service-

http://www.365gay.com/newscontent/122303natParks.htm
 

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The thread title is a little disingenuous, Dave.

This is how Dave maintains the "spotlight". He craves it, begging people to participate in his super-mega threads--drawn in by a bald-faced lie.
 

dmcowen674

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Secular forces try to de-Christ Christmas

This has to be the best time of the year: The special church programs, the fellowship with family, friends and neighbors, the inspiring Christmas music and songs heard everywhere, special holiday food, and of course, the exchange of gifts that our tokens of love of one another.

This is truly a blessed time with the celebration of the coming of the king of kings, our Lord. Or so we thought. For there is now, as never before, a concentrated effort to change the tru meaning of this day and to turn it into just another Holiday.

What we are witnessing today is a broad, systematic effort to change the meaning of Christmas. This is a new politically correct disease that is threatening to destroy this country and our culture and it stems from a hatred of Jesus Christ, His message, and the premise upon which our great country was founded.

This movement to take Jesus Christ out of Christmas is another sign of the Christian bashing that is occuring everyday. It is also part of the all out effort to re-write our Country's history to reflect a view that this country was not founded nor created on Christian principals. This assault on on our history is pure hogwash and a brief review of our Country's beginnings clearly demonstrates that.

The Mayflower Compact signed on Nov 11 1620, acknowledged the purpose of the Pilgrims settlement: "For the Glory of God and the advancement of the Christian Faith".

The Puritans who followed clearly stated their Christian mission declared their obedience to God. William Penn, the Quaker founder of the Colony of Pennyslvania wrote: "Men must be governed bu God, or they will be ruled by Tyrants." "Rule by Tyrants" is exactly what our early colonists were escaping.

Christian principles continued to be used in the formation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, wit the central themes of God beiong the giver of life and liberty and based on His laws. The Bible was used as the principal tool for teaching school for our first 300 years. Our first Universities were founded on the purpose of advancing the word of God.

Today this country faces attacks on the ideas that formed it's foundation from the extreme left and the extreme right.

Corporate Executives from the elitist ivory towers want total control Government that they believe is the answer to everything and more powerful than Christian Law.

Those on the other extreme don't want any constraints on individual behavior. To further their adgenda, they must destroy the idea that this country was founded by christians. They must also discredit the documents that were created to establish this country.

The New York City School system has put a total ban on Nativity scenes and has claimed in court these scenes do not depict a hostorical event, and are not the basis for the celebration of Christmas. Yet the school system encourages displays of the Islamic Crescent and Star during Ramadan.

A sixth grader in Louisians was told by her teachers that she could not write a book report on her favorite book, The Bible.

Paintings of Jesus Christ in the public Libray in Meriden Connecticut were removed because they may be offensive to some.

Students in Royal Oak Intermediate School in Covina not only are taught about Islam, but practiced the religion and celebrated the Muslim Holy month of Ramadan.

The reason behind Christmas has to be destroyed by these people. For years, we have observed the systematic attack on our public institutions that had Christmas displays with Christmas themes. We now find a school teacher who is offended with the use of the word Christ in Christmas songs.

Christmas cards are being produced in huge quantities that take great pains to erase any mention of the reason behind this day. The meaning of Christmas rapidly is being changed to fit a certain viewpoint that is adamantly anti-Christian.

If this trend continues, the message of Jesus Christ will be diluted until this day will truly just be another secular Holiday. It has been said, "If Christ is taken out of Christmas, there will be no Christmas."

Said syndicated talk show host Dennis Prager: "Some of it is actually animated by a hostility to Christianity. There's no question about it. But let's be very clear; if this country drops it's Christianity we are doomed. This is a Judeo-Christian values-based culture."

On this day, the greatest day of mankind, may you have the peace and assurance that comes with the promise of Jesus Christ.

By Guest Columnist Joe Cwik, Chairman of the Hall County Republican Party and is a practicing CPA in Gainesville.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Secular forces try to de-Christ Christmas

This has to be the best time of the year: The special church programs, the fellowship with family, friends and neighbors, the inspiring Christmas music and songs heard everywhere, special holiday food, and of course, the exchange of gifts that our tokens of love of one another.

This is truly a blessed time with the celebration of the coming of the king of kings, our Lord. Or so we thought. For there is now, as never before, a concentrated effort to change the tru meaning of this day and to turn it into just another Holiday.

What we are witnessing today is a broad, systematic effort to change the meaning of Christmas. This is a new politically correct disease that is threatening to destroy this country and our culture and it stems from a hatred of Jesus Christ, His message, and the premise upon which our great country was founded.

This movement to take Jesus Christ out of Christmas is another sign of the Christian bashing that is occuring everyday. It is also part of the all out effort to re-write our Country's history to reflect a view that this country was not founded nor created on Christian principals. This assault on on our history is pure hogwash and a brief review of our Country's beginnings clearly demonstrates that.

The Mayflower Compact signed on Nov 11 1620, acknowledged the purpose of the Pilgrims settlement: "For the Glory of God and the advancement of the Christian Faith".

The Puritans who followed clearly stated their Christian mission declared their obedience to God. William Penn, the Quaker founder of the Colony of Pennyslvania wrote: "Men must be governed bu God, or they will be ruled by Tyrants." "Rule by Tyrants" is exactly what our early colonists were escaping.

Christian principles continued to be used in the formation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, wit the central themes of God beiong the giver of life and liberty and based on His laws. The Bible was used as the principal tool for teaching school for our first 300 years. Our first Universities were founded on the purpose of advancing the word of God.

Today this country faces attacks on the ideas that formed it's foundation from the extreme left and the extreme right.

Corporate Executives from the elitist ivory towers want total control Government that they believe is the answer to everything and more powerful than Christian Law.

Those on the other extreme don't want any constraints on individual behavior. To further their adgenda, they must destroy the idea that this country was founded by christians. They must also discredit the documents that were created to establish this country.

The New York City School system has put a total ban on Nativity scenes and has claimed in court these scenes do not depict a hostorical event, and are not the basis for the celebration of Christmas. Yet the school system encourages displays of the Islamic Crescent and Star during Ramadan.

A sixth grader in Louisians was told by her teachers that she could not write a book report on her favorite book, The Bible.

Paintings of Jesus Christ in the public Libray in Meriden Connecticut were removed because they may be offensive to some.

Students in Royal Oak Intermediate School in Covina not only are taught about Islam, but practiced the religion and celebrated the Muslim Holy month of Ramadan.

The reason behind Christmas has to be destroyed by these people. For years, we have observed the systematic attack on our public institutions that had Christmas displays with Christmas themes. We now find a school teacher who is offended with the use of the word Christ in Christmas songs.

Christmas cards are being produced in huge quantities that take great pains to erase any mention of the reason behind this day. The meaning of Christmas rapidly is being changed to fit a certain viewpoint that is adamantly anti-Christian.

If this trend continues, the message of Jesus Christ will be diluted until this day will truly just be another secular Holiday. It has been said, "If Christ is taken out of Christmas, there will be no Christmas."

Said syndicated talk show host Dennis Prager: "Some of it is actually animated by a hostility to Christianity. There's no question about it. But let's be very clear; if this country drops it's Christianity we are doomed. This is a Judeo-Christian values-based culture."

On this day, the greatest day of mankind, may you have the peace and assurance that comes with the promise of Jesus Christ.

By Guest Columnist Joe Cwik, Chairman of the Hall County Republican Party and is a practicing CPA in Gainesville.
You know if it weren't for fscktards like you most non christians probably wouldn't care one way or another. You are so bent on shoving your religious beliefs down others throats that what you get is a backlash to all your efforts!
 

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You know, dmcowen674, I don't really care that Dean won't take on athiests. He may be Christian, but...

There, before nearly 100 parishioners, Dean said in a rhythmic tone notably different from his usual stampede through policy points, ''In this house of the Lord, we know that the power rests in God's hands and in Jesus's hands for helping us. But the power also is on this, God's earth -- Remember Jesus said, `Render unto God those things that are God's but unto Caesar those things that are Caesar's,' '' a reference to Jesus's admonition that the secular and religious remain separate.

He is a steadfast believer in separation of church and state, he said, and opposes the placement of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, is uncomfortable with a prayer invocation before a congressional session, though he would leave the matter to Congress, and is not bothered by the phrase ''under God'' in the Pledge of Allegiance.

On the issue of a moment of silence in schools, Dean said, ''Whatever the courts say is OK with me.'' The US Supreme Court has struck down state-required moments of silence in schools.

He actually recognizes the separation of church & state. It's a refreshing change from the current crop of politicians.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
You know, dmcowen674, I don't really care that Dean won't take on athiests. He may be Christian, but...

There, before nearly 100 parishioners, Dean said in a rhythmic tone notably different from his usual stampede through policy points, ''In this house of the Lord, we know that the power rests in God's hands and in Jesus's hands for helping us. But the power also is on this, God's earth -- Remember Jesus said, `Render unto God those things that are God's but unto Caesar those things that are Caesar's,' '' a reference to Jesus's admonition that the secular and religious remain separate.

He is a steadfast believer in separation of church and state, he said, and opposes the placement of the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, is uncomfortable with a prayer invocation before a congressional session, though he would leave the matter to Congress, and is not bothered by the phrase ''under God'' in the Pledge of Allegiance.

On the issue of a moment of silence in schools, Dean said, ''Whatever the courts say is OK with me.'' The US Supreme Court has struck down state-required moments of silence in schools.

He actually recognizes the separation of church & state. It's a refreshing change from the current crop of politicians.

Yes, Dean has it right. Like I said will and it has shown, driving the ATers nuts.

 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
You know, dmcowen674, I don't really care that Dean won't take on athiests. He may be Christian, but...

~snip~

He actually recognizes the separation of church & state. It's a refreshing change from the current crop of politicians.

Yes, Dean has it right. Like I said will and it has shown, driving the ATers nuts.

Wait, I thought you were against separation of church & state? :confused: I thought someone who actually recognizes that church & state should be separate would annoy you.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
You know, dmcowen674, I don't really care that Dean won't take on athiests. He may be Christian, but...

~snip~

He actually recognizes the separation of church & state. It's a refreshing change from the current crop of politicians.

Yes, Dean has it right. Like I said will and it has shown, driving the ATers nuts.

Wait, I thought you were against separation of church & state? :confused: I thought someone who actually recognizes that church & state should be separate would annoy you.

No, I get mis-quoted by people in here all the time. They don't bother to read or pay attention before going nuts.
Big reason why the Country is in such a mess and getting worse everyday.


 

KK

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Since when is Dean pro-israel? Hell, the guys not as much as a pansy as I thought. ANy other info on this Dean fellow that y'all want to share.

KK
 

TheBoyBlunder

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
You know, dmcowen674, I don't really care that Dean won't take on athiests. He may be Christian, but...

~snip~

He actually recognizes the separation of church & state. It's a refreshing change from the current crop of politicians.

Yes, Dean has it right. Like I said will and it has shown, driving the ATers nuts.

Wait, I thought you were against separation of church & state? :confused: I thought someone who actually recognizes that church & state should be separate would annoy you.

No, I get mis-quoted by people in here all the time. They don't bother to read or pay attention before going nuts.
Big reason why the Country is in such a mess and getting worse everyday.

You mean you're not opposed to the separation of church & state? I thought this thread proved otherwise. Dean, after all, opposes the placement of the ten commandments in courthouses, yet you seem to like the idea.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: TheBoyBlunder
You know, dmcowen674, I don't really care that Dean won't take on athiests. He may be Christian, but...

~snip~

He actually recognizes the separation of church & state. It's a refreshing change from the current crop of politicians.

Yes, Dean has it right. Like I said will and it has shown, driving the ATers nuts.

Wait, I thought you were against separation of church & state? :confused: I thought someone who actually recognizes that church & state should be separate would annoy you.

No, I get mis-quoted by people in here all the time. They don't bother to read or pay attention before going nuts.
Big reason why the Country is in such a mess and getting worse everyday.

You mean you're not opposed to the separation of church & state? I thought this thread proved otherwise. Dean, after all, opposes the placement of the ten commandments in courthouses, yet you seem to like the idea.

Guess you didn't follow the God thread. Placement of a massive Monument in a Courthouse is an obvious promotion of Religion. The rest is an obvious movement to remove God & Religion from the U.S.
 

charrison

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This is interesting, since he recently told the south that the God should not be a voting issue.
 

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Originally posted by: aswedc
I was going to vote for Dean, but after this and "Our alliance with Israel is and must remain unshakeable" I'm not so sure hes any better than Bush.

so are you saying its a bad thing to be a man of faith? and that its a bad thing to stick next to your allies?
would you rather an aethiest or agnostic be President and try to shove those views upon the land? and that we turn away from [or even backstab!?] our ally?

i see no problem if Dean or Bush wants to believe in one religion or another, as long as he doesnt try and force me to believe whatever he believes is right, and I agree wholeheartedly that our alliance with Israel needs to be unshakeable. I appalaud Dean for saying these things, lets hope he can act on them in a correct manner.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: aswedc
I was going to vote for Dean, but after this and "Our alliance with Israel is and must remain unshakeable" I'm not so sure hes any better than Bush.

so are you saying its a bad thing to be a man of faith? and that its a bad thing to stick next to your allies?
would you rather an aethiest or agnostic be President and try to shove those views upon the land? and that we turn away from [or even backstab!?] our ally?

i see no problem if Dean or Bush wants to believe in one religion or another, as long as he doesnt try and force me to believe whatever he believes is right, and I agree wholeheartedly that our alliance with Israel needs to be unshakeable. I appalaud Dean for saying these things, lets hope he can act on them in a correct manner.

We have a lot of Athiets/Agnostics in here and they push their Agenda as hard as the whacko Judge in Alabama so they are just as bad as him.

It all boils down that they all can't read. They take "Freedom OF Religion" and read it as either Freedom to PROMOTE Religion and Freedom FROM religion.
rolleye.gif
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: aswedc
I was going to vote for Dean, but after this and "Our alliance with Israel is and must remain unshakeable" I'm not so sure hes any better than Bush.

so are you saying its a bad thing to be a man of faith? and that its a bad thing to stick next to your allies?
would you rather an aethiest or agnostic be President and try to shove those views upon the land? and that we turn away from [or even backstab!?] our ally?

i see no problem if Dean or Bush wants to believe in one religion or another, as long as he doesnt try and force me to believe whatever he believes is right, and I agree wholeheartedly that our alliance with Israel needs to be unshakeable. I appalaud Dean for saying these things, lets hope he can act on them in a correct manner.

We have a lot of Athiets/Agnostics in here and they push their Agenda as hard as the whacko Judge in Alabama so they are just as bad as him.

It all boils down that they all can't read. They take "Freedom OF Religion" and read it as either Freedom to PROMOTE Religion and Freedom FROM religion.
rolleye.gif

i dont seem to recall the wacko Alabama judge pushing any agenda off on anybody.
 

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: aswedc
I was going to vote for Dean, but after this and "Our alliance with Israel is and must remain unshakeable" I'm not so sure hes any better than Bush.

so are you saying its a bad thing to be a man of faith? and that its a bad thing to stick next to your allies?
would you rather an aethiest or agnostic be President and try to shove those views upon the land? and that we turn away from [or even backstab!?] our ally?

i see no problem if Dean or Bush wants to believe in one religion or another, as long as he doesnt try and force me to believe whatever he believes is right, and I agree wholeheartedly that our alliance with Israel needs to be unshakeable. I appalaud Dean for saying these things, lets hope he can act on them in a correct manner.

We have a lot of Athiets/Agnostics in here and they push their Agenda as hard as the whacko Judge in Alabama so they are just as bad as him.

It all boils down that they all can't read. They take "Freedom OF Religion" and read it as either Freedom to PROMOTE Religion and Freedom FROM religion.
rolleye.gif

i dont seem to recall the wacko Alabama judge pushing any agenda off on anybody.


Putting a multiple ton religious monument in a public courthouse isn't pushing an agenda??
 

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Dave:

I suspect he is more of a Christian in the sense of St. Francis of Assisi, rather than, say, er, well, you fill in the despot of your choice. :) Although I doubt Dean is keen :) on the "paranormal" aspects of St. Francis' beliefs. Anyway, this is known as empathy and sympathy in some circles, compassionate conservatism in others.

Being a Christian isn't the worst failing either. :) Being a hypocrit and toady for every political interest that will get one re-elected is several orders of magnitude worse, no?

On a scale of one to ten I would hope his religious views are kept as a ONE. He won't be elected to pray for us. I'd much rather he left that to those with skills at prayer. :)

Bush prayed for us and look where we are. Sheezh.... When will God give up her bowling league and start paying attention to that bonehead?

-Robert
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: aswedc
I was going to vote for Dean, but after this and "Our alliance with Israel is and must remain unshakeable" I'm not so sure hes any better than Bush.

so are you saying its a bad thing to be a man of faith? and that its a bad thing to stick next to your allies?
would you rather an aethiest or agnostic be President and try to shove those views upon the land? and that we turn away from [or even backstab!?] our ally?

i see no problem if Dean or Bush wants to believe in one religion or another, as long as he doesnt try and force me to believe whatever he believes is right, and I agree wholeheartedly that our alliance with Israel needs to be unshakeable. I appalaud Dean for saying these things, lets hope he can act on them in a correct manner.

We have a lot of Athiets/Agnostics in here and they push their Agenda as hard as the whacko Judge in Alabama so they are just as bad as him.

It all boils down that they all can't read. They take "Freedom OF Religion" and read it as either Freedom to PROMOTE Religion and Freedom FROM religion.
rolleye.gif
OT here, why shouldn't we have freedom from religion Dave?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: aswedc
I was going to vote for Dean, but after this and "Our alliance with Israel is and must remain unshakeable" I'm not so sure hes any better than Bush.

so are you saying its a bad thing to be a man of faith? and that its a bad thing to stick next to your allies?
would you rather an aethiest or agnostic be President and try to shove those views upon the land? and that we turn away from [or even backstab!?] our ally?

i see no problem if Dean or Bush wants to believe in one religion or another, as long as he doesnt try and force me to believe whatever he believes is right, and I agree wholeheartedly that our alliance with Israel needs to be unshakeable. I appalaud Dean for saying these things, lets hope he can act on them in a correct manner.

We have a lot of Athiets/Agnostics in here and they push their Agenda as hard as the whacko Judge in Alabama so they are just as bad as him.

It all boils down that they all can't read. They take "Freedom OF Religion" and read it as either Freedom to PROMOTE Religion and Freedom FROM religion.
rolleye.gif
OT here, why shouldn't we have freedom from religion Dave?

"why shouldn't we have freedom from religion Dave?"

Sounds like you would enjoy and live fine under the Taliban Regime.