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zerocool84

zerocool84

Lifer
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dwell said:
And Windows Media Center and Mediaroom? If Microsoft was never really successful in this space with > 91% of the OS market, uh, good luck Google :\
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Apple TV really took off right? I mean it's Apple so no way it could have flopped.
 
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I actually think Google might do something really neat with Google TV.

It depends on the manufacturers to follow through, but I like the general direction of Google's vision.
 
zerocool84

zerocool84

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dwell said:
As far as smartphones go the iPhone is the gold standard. Android is an open-source imitation. Android its own merit true, but anyone who has their heart set on getting an iPhone because of the apps, etc, is not going to get an Android in most cases.
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You only site apps which means you have no other reason then. There's many reasons why anyone would get ANY other phone over an iPhone. I don't need to list them but like I said, whatever helps you sleep at night cus you cannot have a rational discussion cus it doesn't matter to you, anyone who looks at an Apple product and goes with someone else has something wrong with them.
 
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dwell

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zerocool84 said:
Apple TV really took off right? I mean it's Apple so no way it could have flopped.
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Who ever said that? Apple has their share of flops (Newton, Pippin, etc) but so does Google (Wave, Google Video, Web Accelerator, Google Answers, Google Checkout, Orkut, Knols, Lively, Jaiku, Google Coupons, Google Page Creator, Dodgeball, Google Buzz, etc).
 
zerocool84

zerocool84

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dwell said:
Who ever said that? Apple has their share of flops (Newton, Pippin, etc) but so does Google (Wave, Google Video, Web Accelerator, Google Answers, Google Checkout, Orkut, Knols, Lively, Jaiku, Google Coupons, Google Page Creator, Dodgeball, Google Buzz, etc).
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What's funny is that I never said I was an Android fanboi or said Android was better than the iPhone OS. You just assume that cus I call you out on the fact that you think that no one could ever possibly want something else.
 
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dwell

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zerocool84 said:
What's funny is that I never said I was an Android fanboi or said Android was better than the iPhone OS. You just assume that cus I call you out on the fact that you think that no one could ever possibly want something else.
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Well, the topic at hand was Google TV, no?
 
Pliablemoose

Pliablemoose

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TheWart said:
I actually think Google might do something really neat with Google TV.

It depends on the manufacturers to follow through, but I like the general direction of Google's vision.
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I think they were pretty stupid for being the smartest guys in the room.

I won't tolerate yet another layer over my TV that spits out more ads and can't search my DVR or act as a tuner...

I think Windows Media Center is one of the best of it's breed, and they've been working on a device for years.

Unless Google can get cable TV on board, add tuners, and be able to search a DVR, it's going no where fast.
 
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charrison

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dwell said:
And with all the Android phones shipping, why is the software situation still so dire compared to the iPhone software market? Us "iPhone fanatics" really won't start panicking until we see the iPhone developer community start to shrink. At this point it's only growing and for every day that goes by more and more people are buying iPhone apps and cementing the iPhone's position in the industry. Android is about two years late to that party and the lack of developer support proves it.
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It has taken a while for android to catch up and critical mass for the developers to jump on. That is happening now. In 6-12 months I doubt there is going to significant differences between the app stores.
 
theeedude

theeedude

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charrison said:
It has taken a while for android to catch up and critical mass for the developers to jump on. That is happening now. In 6-12 months I doubt there is going to significant differences between the app stores.
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There will be one difference, no Flash Apps for Apple :D
 
Pliablemoose

Pliablemoose

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gsaldivar said:
Right because when one company fails at something, it's a sure bet that those that follow will fail as well...
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I'm not saying that's why it'll fail, I'm saying it'll fail because:

1.) It adds another layer of complexity to TV
2.) It's going to serve up ads (WTF, pay for premuim content and still get ads/)
3.) No tuners
4.) No DVR function or method of searching for shows stored on DVR.
5.) Any product in this class needs to be centered around time shifting, no if's and's or but's.

There are plenty of Google products I like, it's just that it's not going to be a success. It frustrates me when Google throws effort into something that stupid, they can spend their resources to do something else that's amazing, like buy HTC, Sprint or TMobile and really shake up the cell phone market...
 
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gsaldivar

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Pliablemoose said:
do something else that's amazing, like buy HTC, Sprint or TMobile and really shake up the cell phone market...
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I don't know... seems like they are doing a pretty good job of that already don't you think?

mobile-os-market-share-feb.jpg
 
akugami

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jpeyton said:
It's not worth the argument, honestly. The Apple Defense Force will continue to sing the iPhone's praises even as Android leapfrogs Apple in market share over the next few years.

It's inevitable. I have one friend on T-Mobile who just switched from his BlackBerry to an HTC Android phone (MyTouch-something). I have another friend on AT&T who is so tired of dropped calls that they are switching to Verizon with a Droid Incredible this summer. And the company I work for is having a lot of employees switch their work phones from BlackBerrys to Moto Droids (company is on a Verizon account).

Steve was right to be pissed at Google. Apple didn't enter the search business, but Google did enter the phone business. And now 175 million cell phone subscribers in the US who don't have AT&T have a variety of Android phones to keep them from ever needing an iPhone.
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The only problem I have is that aside from the Apple Defense Force, there are the Apple Killed My Kitty Force. At least that's what must have happened cause they seem irrationally pissed off at Apple for some reason.

As I've said, there's more than enough room for two or three major players. Android's rise doesn't mean Apple is doomed to die. For some odd reason, the frothing at the mouth Apple haters can't seem properly digest the thought that just because Apple is losing to a single competitor doesn't mean they are losing. The fact is that the iPhone is actually growing. It just so happens Android is growing faster. Good for Android. But that doesn't mean Apple's iPhone is dead or dying.

If Apple was smart they will not be going exclusive with AT&T much longer. I agree with speculation that when Verizon launches it's 4G network, we'll be seeing a Verizon iPhone. Coincidentally, this should be right around the time AT&T's exclusivity contract run out. AT&T as well as Verizon will be going with LTE and while 4G is slated out late this year or next, there are still bugs to be worked out.

charrison said:
Really what apps can you not find replacements for?

I will agree that iphone apps tend to better at this point, but that is a point that is not going to last much longer.
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The issue is why would I pay for different apps that do the same thing using a different phone OS when I already have paid for apps that do everything I need/want? If you're brand new to smart phones and have researched Android and see that every app you need/want are already there or will be soon, then it actually makes sense to move to Android. However, having an iTunes account and with an iPod and iPhone, it makes sense for me to stay within the iTunes sphere rather than move to a new phone OS.

Let's also be honest, the more capable Android phones aren't any cheaper than iPhones and most of the functionality of Android is present in iPhones and vice versa. Some of the stuff such as multi-tasking, while useful, aren't as important in a smart phone as in a laptop or desktop computer. I'm actually of the opinion that limited multi-tasking might be better suited in a smart phone, at least in the short term, to ensure a decent user experience and to not have your phone dead in two hours.

jpeyton said:
100,000 people "settling" for an Android phone per day.

That can't make Steve happy about his exclusivity agreement with AT&T.
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True. But at the same time, it can be argued that without the AT&T deal, there would be no iPhone. Now that the iPhone is a success they can ditch AT&T.


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The iPhone and Android are both turning into capable OS's. The iPhone obviously has the more mature and further reaching sphere of influence backed by iTunes. Android is up and coming and while there are still some kinks, it really is becoming a true contender.

The ones who have to watch their back are RIM, Nokia, and Microsoft. OEM phone makers like Sony, Samsung, Motorola, etc. will likely just move to Android.
 
gsaldivar

gsaldivar

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Pliablemoose said:
Sorry, I meant the carriers, not the devices...
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Gotcha.

Unlike Apple's one-device/one-carrier fits-all strategy, Google's effort to make Android pervasive across many manufacturers, many devices, and many carriers is significantly reducing the incentive for carrier exclusivity agreements.

In this way, the carrier market is also evolving, by reducing the importance of the DEVICE and the BRAND. IMHO this is a win-win for manufacturers and consumers, who have the choice to buy whatever meets their specific needs and still take advantage of everything the Android ecosystem offers.

Give people the freedom to CHOOSE... and carriers will have to compete on the merits of their network quality and price. :thumbsup:
 
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dwell

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charrison said:
It has taken a while for android to catch up and critical mass for the developers to jump on. That is happening now. In 6-12 months I doubt there is going to significant differences between the app stores.
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Keep in mind the entire iPhone ecosystem. The iPod Touch is outselling the iPhone and now the iPad is selling ~2.5M units a quarter. So Apple is dumping something like 22M devices capable of running iPhone software on the market a quarter. If Android is indeed doing 100k a day, the iPhone software ecosystem is still doing over double that.

There is no iPod Touch analog in the Android world which is not something to ignore. It's one of the main reason why gaming is booming on the iPhone. A lot of little kids who have outgrown the DS now have iPod Touches.
 
Pliablemoose

Pliablemoose

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gsaldivar said:
Gotcha.

Unlike Apple's one-device/one-carrier fits-all strategy, Google's effort to make Android pervasive across many manufacturers, many devices, and many carriers is significantly reducing the incentive for carrier exclusivity agreements.

In this way, the carrier market is also evolving, by reducing the importance of the DEVICE and the BRAND. IMHO this is a win-win for manufacturers and consumers, who have the choice to buy whatever meets their specific needs and still take advantage of everything the Android ecosystem offers.

Give people the freedom to CHOOSE... and carriers will have to compete on the merits of their network quality and price. :thumbsup:
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Apple's use of only ATT in the US is somewhat of an anomaly, they use multiple carriers in the rest of the world. It will change eventually, and you have to admit, it's been a fairly successful strategy until recently.
 
gsaldivar

gsaldivar

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Pliablemoose said:
Apple's use of only ATT in the US is somewhat of an anomaly, they use multiple carriers in the rest of the world. It will change eventually, and you have to admit, it's been a fairly successful strategy until recently.
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Successful for Apple and AT&T, no doubt. Apple's strategy has also been very effective at reinforcing carrier lock-in and exclusivity. $$$$
 
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