1000 minutes of FREE long distance (Phone to Phone)

[MrBond]

You're not really tied to the computer like with dialpad....and from the Reshalls here, where we have to put in a 12digit code to call an 1-800-number, the "hassel" of logging into the site and having it call me first is worth it. It's no different then the Nortel Voice Button demo which rocked so very very much

Tom

 

[dabuddha]

excellent site thehuntress
i'm using it to call my sis at st louis

don't see any reason to crap on people's posts though wagner. maybe you oughta take it to some other board

 

[Xmenxmen]

Make it a Great Day!!!

 

[Wagner]

Dude, if there's a way to use this thing just like a calling card, without the need for a computer and those double-phone-ringing-acrobatics, and another way to use it with ten times more hassle, and if it doesn't cost you anything to use one method over the other, then why would you use the method with more hassle?

Here are some possible answers:

1. You're an idiot.
2. You're a masochist and enjoy the hassle.
3. You're a masochistic idiot.
4. You're an idiotic masochist.
5. You're the original poster @ Anandtech and your ego won't let you admit that there is a better way to use this deal than the one you found.
6. You have the hots for this original poster @ Anandtech, and stick up for her whenever, like you have a chance in hell with her.
7. You always go along with what the Original Poster says. You always do so @ MyPoopons, and you sure as hell ain't gonna change your ways now, just cause some smartass whippersnapper says otherwise. Thank you OP!
8. Using this service just like a calling card, without those double-phone-ringing-acrobatics, may be a violation of the DMCA. If the double-phone-ringing-acrobatics is in fact an "access control", you don't want to be circumventing the access control and then go to jail for being an evil hacker.
9. You just enjoy using your new phone-in-a-mouse mousephone as much as possible. It's not quite the same feeling if you don't do some stuff on your computer first, before your call goes thru.
10. Ah, who are we kiddin'? You're just an idiot.

This board is a real circus sometimes, I tellya.

 

[dabuddha]

maybe its easier that way for them. You're apparently not too bright if you can't see more than one side of an issue
go away wagner

 

[dohyun]

this deal looks great but to bad there is already 10000 people sign up, heh. good lookin out, maybe next time. anda

wagner: hey im a nice guy but i just want to say that some people were just misinformed and thought you were being mean. I mean I thought so too bc of how u wrote your sentences, which may or may not seem arrogant to some. I feel it would have been cool if you said someting like " hey guys, i spotted this deal on fatwallet also, go check it out for more info" instead of sounding like the original poster should not have posted this here at all. On your second quote, i feel it would be nice to say "yea, they also tell you an alternative method that i feel is faster, go check it out". just bc the method you found is better for you ,doesnt mean it will be for others. You just proceed to call em all idiots bc they didnt use your method, a method they mite not have known about or dont like. Later on in the thread you attempt to sound smart and call this board a circus. Hey i think you are a smart guy for reals, but smart people can be ignorant,annoying,prideful, and they dont even know it! That being said the point of this message is to tell you that nice is the way! Nothing was gained in what u said, and i kinda felt you kept on refuting and arguing bc you didnt want to look bad. The nice guy would have some humbleness, and accept that his attitude was disagreeable to others. so, in concluding try to be nice, if not i guess ill accept that you are a annoying,ignorant,selfish person until you changer you ways, not that you should care what others think of you. anyways bye, good luck in life, money isnt everything!. most ravers suck. god rules!!

 

[Wagner]

<< just bc the method you found is better for you ,doesnt mean it will be for others >>



Using one device is easier than using more devices. Pressing fewer buttons is easier than pressing / clicking more buttons. This is because something that is less complicated is indeed less complicated than something that is more complicated. This is by definition. I don't see how you can possibly disagree with this argument unless you are being unreasonable.

I listed above some possible reasons (Note: SOME possible reasons) as to why people might prefer the more complicated method. I do not claim to have all the answers. That is why I said &quot;some&quot; and not &quot;all&quot;, both in my previous post and in here. If anyone else knows exactly why these idiots prefer the more complicated method, then please do me a favor and enlighten me.



<< You just proceed to call em all idiots bc they didnt use your method >>



Again, I listed &quot;some&quot; posible reasons for the behavior of the disagreeables. It is certainly possible (likely) that they are idiots. But I did not make any such assertion, I just pointed out the (strong) possibility that they are idiots. Which is technically not the same thing.



<< Later on in the thread you attempt to sound smart >>



I attempt to put forward my views and opinions. If you believe that makes me sound smart, why thank you, I appreciate the compliment.



<< Nothing was gained in what u said >>



I think a lot of people learned about a better, less complicated, more intuitive way to use their phonetime. That to me seems like a positive gain.

In closing, you are entitled to your opinion about anyone or anything. But stereotyping all ravers is an awful close minded thing to do. There are decent, clean ravers as well as nasty, druggie ravers. I will have to take your opinions with a grain of salt in the future, if you're comfortable stereotyping groups like that.

 

[dabuddha]

wagner: it's true something might have been gained by what you said, but nothing was gained by how you said it.
its the consensus of most everyone that you must not be a very pleasant person in real life
just like you said before, you're not willing to admit when you're wrong.
How it should be
take a look at that thread, maybe you'll learn something of value
it is very refreshing when people aren't negative in their posts

 

[dohyun]

sup wagner, the last sentence was kind of a joke, sorry if i offended you or anyone else. I know there are many clean decent ravers, i used to be one and i know many others. Well its your opinion if you think the people who use the longer way are stupid idiots. anyways, it all depends on what you think is comfortable or right. Many times i drive 55 mph on the freeway, even if there are no cars in sight. Call me stupid if you want for not taking the faster,more efficent, less time consuming way, that is goin 65+. I am comfortable and relaxed goin 55 and more importantly right now i am learning PATIENCE. This is what many smart people as yourself might ignore. you might believe time is to valuable to waste but i kinda disagree in some ways.

so, if i happened to do this deal and used the double-dialing on the comp, its not neccessary to call me stupid idiot. you dont know me enough to call me that man. Patience is something only a few appreciate and know that people are comfortable with their own ways of living. i would like to think im a reasonable man, and yes 1 device is better than using 2, never said it wasnt.

um so in conclusion, thank you for tellin us about the more intuitive way that not all of us are required to use. it just woulda been cool if ya said it nicer. I admit i am closed minded at times, but i hope you realize you were close minded a tad by callin everyone idiots, without knowing the truth.

 

[Wagner]

dabuddha,

I was not trying to contribute psychological support services for people with feeble egos. I was trying to contribute valuable and useful information. In that, I believe I have been successful.

It is my understanding that this is a Hot Deals board. People contribute to this board by posting Hot Deals, and offering further information on Hot Deals. When you come to this board, what you should expect to &quot;gain&quot; is such information. If you expect to &quot;gain&quot; anything else, you're on the wrong board. If you expect me to contribute anything else, you're on the wrong board.

It's due to people like you that MyPoopons had to create a My Two Cents Worth board. People were wasting others' time by socializing, chatting, gossiping and being nice to each other on what was supposed to be a Hot Deals board. You had to wade through tons of threads before you could find a deal. Even now, months after the creation of MTCW, people have to be routinely warned for going off topic on the Hot Deals board.

I don't know how you managed to pull that &quot;consensus&quot; out of your ass, because that's the first time such an opinion about me has been voiced in this thread, and indeed, on any Anand board. Even assuming that your opinion were in fact somehow justified, that does not mean I am &quot;wrong&quot;. I may be &quot;an unpleasant character in your opinion&quot; but that's a completely different thing than being &quot;wrong&quot;.

I do not think I am wrong when I say that the method I offered is less complicated and more convenient than the originally proposed method. I do not think I am wrong when I say that people who prefer inefficient methods over efficient ones (all else being equal) are idiots. If you can prove me wrong on either of these, then I will admit to being wrong. Until then, you're just babbling.

 

[dabuddha]

gaining information is good
being insulted by someone where no insults are needed isn't
dohyun's right on the dot with his driving 55mph analogy.
just because you don't agree with someone's methods and in your opinion it is insufficient doesn't necessarily make them idiots. if you had bothered to goto that other link and actually read it objectively, then you'd notice what i was referring to
where instead of insulting people, you'd help them.
calling em idiots doesn't help one bit
and i doubt thats the first time someones had that opinion of you

 

[Gandalf]

Wagner. Just shut up.
I sure hope your stupid posts will get you banned soon enough.

 

[Wagner]

dohyun's car analogy is flawed.

Using the exact same device, through the exact same interface, is no more, no less complicated than using the exact same device, through the exact same interface. This is by definition. Speed of your use of the interface has to do with patience, proficiency, health, tiredness, personal rythm and a number of other factors. It is only very very loosely connected with complexity, if at all. You're not necessarily doing a job in any more or less complex way just because you are taking your time, or trying to speed things up. As long as you're using the same interface, and the same device (say, a steering wheel and a stick shift on a '85 Chevrolet) then you're dealing with the same amount of complexity period.

On the other hand, using more devices, and having to press more buttons, and having to be in front of a computer (a lot of 'requirements') is much more complicated than having access to a phone, any phone at all, and just dialing some digits (fewer 'requirements'). Fewer devices and fewer steps is less complicated than more devices and more steps.

What is it about the above argument that you idiots fail to understand?

EDIT: dabuddha, you sent me to a thread where some clueless newbie posted in a way that violates the board's rules. Appropriately enough, the thread was locked. So what's your friggin' point?

 

[dabuddha]

actually his analogy isn't flawed. The point he was trying to make and which you obviously missed is the fact some people like to do things one way, others like things other ways.

Gandalf: i doubt this kid's gonna go away. He apparently enjoys showing people he's not very bright

 

[w3b]

Everything really depends on who is using the service. Lots of people might prefer the calling card method because it saves them the hassle of logging in and all that. But there are also others who don't mind all the logging in and going through the site routine.

For me I prefer the second method. Logging in, typing the number, and clicking dial. It saves me time from punching a bunch of buttons on the phone. I just need to pick up my phone when it rings. And actually, you don't need to be in front of the computer all the time. Once you hangup the phone me.net automatically updates its system within 5-10 seconds. No need to hit end call.

Each method has its advantages and disadvantages. So everything goes back to the person using the system, which way he/she likes best.

BTW, does anyone know when me.net beta testing ends? TIA

 

[Wagner]

w3b,

Maybe someone should teach you how to use the speed dial on your phone?

 

[dohyun]

hey you called us idiots again. your not very nice wagner, i hope you become a better person, because im sure life will not be pleasant for you, i can guarantee you that. Learn some respect towards other peoples ways of doing things, for example w3b's way of doin things. I still respect you as a person, i just do not respect some of the ways you think in life. peace.

 

[Wagner]

I use the &quot;idiot&quot; label to refer to those who fail to understand, or fail to adequately respond to, my very straightforward argument regarding complexity as a function of number of different devices and interfaces.

I said, there's no difference in complexity, nor convenience, between driving a car slowly, or quickly. Because, I said, in both cases, you're using the same interface to access the same device. In contrast to this, I said, one method of accessing the Me.Net service requires multiple devices (computer and phone) and multiple interfaces (GUI/browser interface and phone keypad) as well as more steps. The second method requires one device, one interface, and fewer steps.

It appears this argument went right over dabuddha's head, who only managed to say &quot;some people like to do things one way, others like things other ways&quot;. He completely ignored the points I made regarding devices, interfaces, and speed, and how differences in the former lead to increased complexity, while differences in the latter do not. &quot;different ways&quot; is not an expression of sufficient granularity. Are you referring to different devices, different interfaces, different speeds, or something else entirely?

Honestly, when my opponent fails to even adequately address my rebuttals, let alone try and counter them, I consider him an idiot. If you want to get more respect from me, try and argue in a less idiotlike manner.

 

[dabuddha]

its all a matter of opinion
to some people, doing things faster is just stupid
gotta learn how to take things slow. If you can't then i feel very sorry for you
but i already did before from seeing your attitude towards people

 

[MojoMonkey]

I for one agree with what Wagner is trying to say. He is correct in saying that the car analogy is incorrect. He has shown why it is incorrect, and basically, he has come up with a good rebuttal to every argument, insult, and personal attack that everyone is throwing at him.

Wagner, keep it up doOd. Dont let a few ignorant people get you down. It seems like everyone's out to get you, but you seem like a very intelligent person with a smart brain, and a smart mouth. You are on your way to success. outs

 

[dabuddha]

no one threw any insults at him till he started insulting people by calling them idiots, etc.

 

[MrBond]

Ok. I've had enough of the bickering. It's pointless, and is getting us no where (except more towards the top of the forum, where people might click on it and try to sign up for a deal that doesn't exist anymore). So, I'm putting a &quot;Citizen Lock&quot; on this (kinda like a citizen arrest). Lets make this the last post in this topic, eh?

And I'm not canadian I just like saying eh

Tom

 

[Wagner]

dabuddha,

I have given up all hope of trying to reason with you. My understanding is that you are not trying to be disagreeable on malicious grounds. You seem to be making an honest effort to engage in discussion. It just seems that you're incapable of adequately engaging in the level of discussion that this dialogue has escalated to. You don't grasp the finer points, or you're not able to effectively counter them. You just don't &quot;get it&quot; and you keep repeating the same mantra over and over (&quot;Some people like it faster, some people like it slower.&quot as if it's going to somehow save you. It's not going to save you. I already demonstrated numerous times why this point is irrelevant. But you seem to be in denial.

I will let you wallow in your blissful ignorance. There seems to be absolutely no other way to resolve this dialogue.

 

[dabuddha]

i like how you seem to know what kind of person i am without even knowing me
you must be brilliant

 

[WATERBUFFALO]

I wonder if wagner even realizes the record he has left of his being the the biggest a**hole to be found on these forums.

wagner called a person and the person said &quot;you've got the wrong number.&quot; wagner replied, &quot;I DID NOT!! YOU **ANSWERED** WRONG!!&quot;

A cabbie picks up a nun. She gets into the cab, and the cab driver won't stop staring at her. She asks him why is he staring and he replies, &quot;I have a question to ask you but I don't want to offend you.

She answers, 'My dear son, you cannot offend me. When you're as old as I am and have been a nun a long as I have, you get a chance to see and hear just about everything. I'm sure that there's nothing you could say or ask that I would find offensive.&quot;

&quot;Well, I've always had a fantasy to have a nun kiss me.&quot; She responds, &quot;Well, let's see what we can do about that:#1, you have to be single and #2 you must be Catholic.&quot;

The cab driver is very excited and says, &quot;Yes, I am single and I'm Catholic, too!&quot;

The nun says &quot;OK, pull into the next alley.&quot;

He does and the nun fulfills his fantasy. But when they get back on the road, the cab driver starts crying. &quot;My dear child, said the nun, why are you crying?&quot;

&quot;Forgive me sister, but I have sinned. I lied, I must confess, I'm married and I'm Jewish.&quot;

The nun says, &quot;That's OK, my name is Kevin and I'm on my way to a Halloween party.